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Old 09-10-2003, 07:53 AM   #21
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There are some other tools and things that one will need to have to put together this style of mocs.

An awl -- the awl will be used to prepunch the holes in the sole and will also be used to punch the holes for the laces. It is best to have an awl with a thin point. I say this because a fat pointed awl will have the tendency of ripping out the holes punched in the soles, especially in thinner material like the rawhide soles.

Imitation sinew -- used to sew the upper to the sole and tongue to the upper.

Glovers needles -- a medium size (4 or 6) is my preference.

Needle nose pliers -- for pulling the glovers needle through the sole leather when sewing the soles and upper together.

scissors -- you need these for the obvious reasons

A good pen or grease pencil will be needed for marking the leather and making the patterns for the upper and sole.

exacto or utility knife -- this is optional and is for the sole leather. It can be very difficult to cut this weight leather with scissors and often using a knife is a bit easier, but if you do use this method be careful and go slow so you do not cut into the canter of the sole itself or slip and cut into YOURSELF.

*** (Also if you are going to bead your mocs then you will need all those supplies)
Don't forget a good old, old fashioned sewing awl, the needle and thread are all one unit with a good solid grip pushing handle made to fit the palm of your hand!!
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An awl -- the awl will be used to prepunch the holes in the sole and will also be used to punch the holes for the laces. It is best to have an awl with a thin point. I say this because a fat pointed awl will have the tendency of ripping out the holes punched in the soles, especially in thinner material like the rawhide soles.

Needle nose pliers -- for pulling the glovers needle through the sole leather when sewing the soles and upper together.

OMG, AWL and NEEDLE NOSE PLIERS!! Was I putting myself thru unneeded torture just using my buckskin needle and scrap of buckskin??!!??
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That might work well to prepunch the wholes but I would not recommend using one to sew the upper and sole together. It is just a simple whip stitch that is used to sew a pair of these mocs up correctly. If you have used this tool before and can take pic of the mocs made with it please do (a close up of the stitching if you could) cause I can see no way that you could use that thing to sew up a pair of mocs!

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LOL Rose I did that till mom watched me struggle long enough then she showed me the art of the awl . But not till I was half way through the second moc....:D
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This is really great. Now I can find out why my uppers never seem to fit the sole and I end up spending time to adjust everything especially when there is beading.

Those needle nose pliers really save on the use of ones teeth.
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This is really great. Now I can find out why my uppers never seem to fit the sole and I end up spending time to adjust everything especially when there is beading.

Those needle nose pliers really save on the use of ones teeth.
In the quilting supplies section of walmart, they sell these little yellow rubber circles... they are excellent grips for pulling the needle through your leather as well as pliers...and they don't hurt i fyou accidently drop them on your foot LOL...not to mention they cost less than 2 bucks
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Come on quit pullin our leg...LOL!
Hey I kid you not! I only tried one rawhide soled mocs and that was over 10 years ago. I just used my buckskin needle and pushed it thru with a scrap of TOUGH buckskin and pulled it thru the other side with a scrap of GRIPPY buckskin. I still have the Tough piece and you can see the many, many holes punched in it.

I have an awl, but it must be a FAT awl. Until I find a skinnier one, or someone gives me one;) I'll have to stick to soft soles or latigo.

Anyway, what's the next step after getting all these specific supplies together? And do you make custom patterns or do you have tons of patterns labeled by size?:Chatter
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don't worry your not alone I don't even use an awl , just glovers needles, and some scrap latigo leather. I don't use an awl for fear that i'll gouge my eye out:wounded1: it is a true art ( all in the fingers)watch out for me guys:karate: . I think I'll use an awl on this'n though







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I was never able to find one small enough do to what I wanted either so I have made some out of old ice pics and also ground down ones that were too fat until they were the size I wanted. It isn't hard to do at all if you have a dremel. you just put on the cutting wheel and use the side of it instead of the edge, then once you have it the shape you want take emory cloth in around 300 grit and 450 and smooth if back out real nice.

If there is a leather working shop around you (or if you want to order from Tandy online) there is an awl that they sell that kinda flat and shaped like this <>. It does a pretty good job too.

LMAO I do have a lot of patterns around here, but I usually make custom patterns. I have had a lot of folks come to me for mocs that have different sized feet. One fella had one foot that was a 12 1/2 and the other that was a 14. I will get the instruction up on how to make a pattern yourself in a the next few days. I has been pretty hectic around here lately.

Oh yeah I use what I call a 'pusher' for getting a needle through tuff hide. All it is a strip of medium weight rawhide about 5-6" long and about 1/2"-3/4" wide. I then attach a 12" long strip of 1/2" medical tape to it, wrap the taped rawhide around my finger snugly but not tight. Once I get to the end of the rawhide I just keep wrapping the tape around the thing until I use it all. This keeps it in the right shape and usually provides me 2 layers of rawhide between my finger and the butt end of the needle, and the medical tape keeps it from slipping. My favorite tape is the stuff the sell at Dollar General in those little plastic containers.
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um yep Moon that it would be ...just make sure you get the grain PWB said . Ewwwwwwwww red meat not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that's all I use is glover needles and either a scrap of buckskin or those grippers I told you about. But i use size 3 or 5 glovers... (skin needles) . If the area is a bit tough, then I use that piece of scrap leather and a magazine, put the needle in as far as it will go and then push the needle against the magazine till it come out the other side..even just a little cause then I can push it the rest of the way through with the leather. Also if you tack your leather at the toe and on the sides and in the back , it makes sewing them up easier.
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I have a question would it be better to use simulated sinew or real sinew .. I just got ahold of some for free , just wondering
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Both work just fine but I find the fake stuff easier to work with.

Sorry all I haven't been able to really get rolling on this thread. I am finishing up a pair of fully beaded mocs (and have several roach orders that have to go out too) and was too far along on them to use them as an example for this thread. I deliver them this weekend and will be dive back into this thread late next week or early the week after.

Hang in there folks it is coming I promise!
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take as long as you want . I understand that you are busy wth your buisness . do what you have to first then go to this stuff.
thanks for the suggestion I think I'll use simulated I have unough of it laying around .thanks
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How thin would you splice your simulated sinew? I can't even imagine it going thru without being super thin. But then, I've never used an awl before either.

Would D nymo work just as well? Just a thought.;)
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