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Old 09-12-2007, 10:08 PM   #1
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Message from Sycuan Pow-wow Committee - Contest Problems

The following was sent to PowWows.com from the Sycuan Pow-wow Committee.

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RE: SYCUAN POW-WOW 2007

Attention: Contestant Dancers,



Due to a technical difficulty with our new computer system; this caused a few troubles in some, not all of our dance categories.

The Committee is revising all dance categories at this moment.



When all is complete and in its proper order, those dance categories that were affected, will be notified and changes will be corrected as soon as possible.



Your patience is greatly appreciated at this time.



Thank You,

Sycuan Pow-wow Committee
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:35 PM   #2
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Yeah, blame it on the computer. The computer only does what the operator tells it to do. It has the brain of a two year child, but it does everything a lot faster. Feed it garbage and garbage comes out.
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I agree w/ the comment above!! But ya know, they don't even know what the hell they're talkin' about. Cause when I called, they said that they were done w/ tabulating every category. Then later on, some other dancer calls them & they told her that they were STILL calculating the points. I don't understand why they're giving people different answers w/ every phone call. If it's gonna be a problem to where they can't calculate numbers, then don't go through the hassle of calling it a contest pow-wow!! *LOL* Just do a "traditional" pow-wow.
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:32 PM   #4
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I agree w/ the comment above!! But ya know, they don't even know what the hell they're talkin' about. Cause when I called, they said that they were done w/ tabulating every category. Then later on, some other dancer calls them & they told her that they were STILL calculating the points. I don't understand why they're giving people different answers w/ every phone call. If it's gonna be a problem to where they can't calculate numbers, then don't go through the hassle of calling it a contest pow-wow!! *LOL* Just do a "traditional" pow-wow.
So What happened? Fill us in who didn't go,.........Sounds like I'm glad I didn't go...LOL....no winners were announced or what? crazy....
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Doesn't anyone there own a calulator?
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So What happened? Fill us in who didn't go,.........Sounds like I'm glad I didn't go...LOL....no winners were announced or what? crazy....
They announced winners and then someone posted on here that they announced after the pow-wow that they were going to re-tabulate and then to call on Tuesday of this week.

So some people have called and found out that they actually did place and sycuan was sending them a check.

Some other people called and were told they were NOT retabulating and winners stand as is.

Then some of us called and they told us how we placed and it was different then what they called on Sunday.

Exciting huh?
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:59 PM   #7
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They announced winners and then someone posted on here that they announced after the pow-wow that they were going to re-tabulate and then to call on Tuesday of this week.

So some people have called and found out that they actually did place and sycuan was sending them a check.

Some other people called and were told they were NOT retabulating and winners stand as is.

Then some of us called and they told us how we placed and it was different then what they called on Sunday.

Exciting huh?

This powwow always invites decent head staff, but every year there is some controversy with the winners.

Everyone needs to just go to Navajo Nation Fair. Even though you put up with the crowds and dust/mud, at least you know the contest is staight up. And now we all know everyone will get paid. LOL
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I'm sure they own a calculator, but just don't know how to add the points up correctly. On sunday, there were a few dance ties in categories when the other contestant wouldn't show up. At then later on you found out that the tie in Men's southern straight dance was a tie w/ a GRASS DANCER!! I mean how the heck to you do that?!? *lmao*
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Wow, that's crazy. I may sound ignorant, but that's the first I've heard a pow-wow committee use a computer to tally points. I go to pow-wows that still use the old school method of pen, paper, and calculator to tally. Whoa! *LOL*
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Well?!? *lol* When are they gonna post the REAL winners of this pow-wow?!? It's been about a week & haven't heard anything. Wonder if I should call back, wonder what they would say to me THIS time *lol*
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I have a friend who was head judge at a local powwow. The powwow was over and winners announced. He checked the books a coupla hours later and found out that one of the dancers lists was read backwards (3 places). Too late. Everyone was gone.

Anyways, knowing this just bugged the hell outta him. He couldn't sleep.
The next years powwow, he made an announcement to correct this in front of everyone. He apologized, personally (outta his own pocket) payed the real first place winner their proper money and had a giveaway.

Now, that is truly honorable. His name is Nelson (Sugar Bear) Shognosh. No, I won't leave his name out. He deserves recognition.
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I just got a call from another dancer & they said that the committee are finally DONE w/ the tabulations & they will be calling the REAL winners either today or tomorrow!!
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I just got a call from another dancer & they said that the committee are finally DONE w/ the tabulations & they will be calling the REAL winners either today or tomorrow!!
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sycuan powwow committee has apologized i dont know why peole are still saying they havent..
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sycuan powwow committee has apologized i dont know why peole are still saying they havent..
What plans are in place for next year so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again?
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I was just told that I placed 3rd & I'll be receiving my check shortly. Upon that, she said me to lighten up...but c'mon...it took a whole week to tabulate? I was going to ask what they do have in store for next year...but I didn't want to, I'll just have to see for myself....but there's always NNF pw!! =)
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What plans are in place for next year so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again?
LOL! That just sounds funny to me because these problems have been happening EVERY year, this is just the first year that they did something about it! OBVIOUSLY they don't have to DO anything for next year, because people will still show up, dance and the winners may or may not be legit.



I would like to take this quick opportunity to remind EVERYONE that tabulation is only part of the picture, the real decisions are made by the JUDGES who are your fellow tribal people, dancers, singers, friends, snags, etc. We only add up the points-TIMELY, I might add-and the Arena Directors and Head Judges PICK your contest judges and those people pick the winners. EVERYONE needs to keep that in mind also when pointing fingers.
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There are really four factors in this:

1. The ballots.
2. The judges.
3. The person reading the ballot and inputting the information from the judges.
4. The method of tabulation (whether its on paper, a calculator, or a computer).

If a computer is used, then you have another layer of complexity with whatever software you are using. Someone wrote the software and you have to trust that it's written well in order to handle any situation, but if its hacked together, you can get some strange results.

Then a head judge may have some influence on top of all of this.
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Official Winners??????

Are we ever going to get to see who all the real/offical winners are of Sycuan?
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