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Old 04-20-2009, 12:07 AM   #1
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well hello everone.. i just want to talk about off beat dancer.. why do they win? i been to powwows and there are really good dancer there but it seems that the off beat dancer win. i was wondering what is going though the judges head.. just wondering what you thought about this and maby you can tell me why????? PLEASE pick the better dancer...................
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Old 04-20-2009, 10:14 AM   #3
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We (Crows) dance off beat and not a lot of people know that....we've even changed the way we dance for contest powwows because of the rules. I've seen people from up north, Canada, that dance "off beat" to Round dance songs and they say we dance to round dance songs on the wrong beat...

That person dancing off beat must've REALLY been jammin' to win over others that were "on beat" ;)
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you know... cuz its a beauty contest nowadays... who ever has the keenest outfit wins! there are some dope outfits out there but not sure the dancing compares. KWIM???

And then it always goes back to the age old item... the judges...
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Just my two cents.

Ive seen this happen a few times. However the ones who won were dancing the correct way, even though they were "off beat." When judging you have to know the different styles and which dancers dance a certain way, if you dont know...you have no business judging...lol!
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dancers with the "best" outfit don't always win you can't always "win"
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well hello everone.. i just want to talk about off beat dancer.. why do they win? i been to powwows and there are really good dancer there but it seems that the off beat dancer win. i was wondering what is going though the judges head.. just wondering what you thought about this and maby you can tell me why????? PLEASE pick the better dancer...................
Hmmm..... wondering if you're refering to the pw i just attened. Wasn't just 1 dancer who placed it was 2 that I noticed. Adult Dancers. And they weren't "supposed to dance that way", it wasn't their "tribal style". I don't need the answer cause I already know it. Politics and who's the flashiest. Who's cool with the most bling. Or who's the cutest kid. I often feel bad when I see a kid on beat the whole song, doing what they're supposed to do and the cute little one wins.
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When I think of off beat I actually think of no rhythm. So Crow style and the other up north peeps that round dance to the "off beat" are on beat but on the off beat. I really don't like it when dancers win that can't hear the beat and have no rhythm.
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Ive seen this happen a few times. However the ones who won were dancing the correct way, even though they were "off beat." When judging you have to know the different styles and which dancers dance a certain way, if you dont know...you have no business judging...lol!
I like that....well said! ;)
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I like that....well said! ;)

I'm with bux on this. It is important to know what you are judging. Some dancers dance the correct style and others dance powwow style.


There IS a difference.
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lol i can't stand dancers that can't keep in step...i'm a singer and when i get asked to judge thats the first thing i look for is who is in step with the song, because most of us singers know. i understand crow style is off beat i realize that and respect it, but as a dakota and knowing the the traditional style of dance men and women, it gets to me. if i notice a dancer that is off beat and can't get back on before the the first push up is over then i don't pay attention to them the rest of the song and they're z'd from my score sheet...all styles of dancing. if you can't keep in step with the songs we sing then just ask a singer and he'll will tell u and show u how. if ur a judge u need to know too.
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theres a difference between dancing on the other beat and just downright dancing on NO beat.
like swbreeze said about rhythm....you need to have rhythm!
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theres a difference between dancing on the other beat and just downright dancing on NO beat.
like swbreeze said about rhythm....you need to have rhythm!
i agree. sometimes you see someone out there dancing away just fine then they try to do some fancy footwork and they s-l-o-w right down. then they go back to dancing just fine again. it's like for a bit there, they were on a time delay.
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i agree. sometimes you see someone out there dancing away just fine then they try to do some fancy footwork and they s-l-o-w right down. then they go back to dancing just fine again. it's like for a bit there, they were on a time delay.

Good thing you smoke dancers don't have to worry about that one huh?! :P I'm still amazed at that style...love to watch ya'll dance!
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I will get right next to someone and start lookin' all around on the ground, even get out a flashlight if its night, when they finally ask if I am lookin for somethin my response is always the same "ya, that beat ya lost"

Seriously though, ya I have seen that slo-mo deal for fancy foot work and it looks weird.

What I can't understand is when northern traditionals are doing a sneak up, how can you tell if they are on beat? Mostly just looks like they are shivering.
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I guess what bugs me the most is off-beat singers. Now that can put the damper on a crowd any time.
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its one thing to dance off beat when they are dancing at the same tempo, but its even more weird to watch someone dance off tempo. they seem to be off in there own little world, just dancing away to their own song. lol
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I must say we have a male Tradish dancer from my area who dances off beat and off tempo but he looks cool. It somehow works for him and he places. Theres no way others could get away with it or make it look good. I'm not sure if thats his tribal style or not.
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