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Old 04-12-2005, 04:47 PM   #1
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Does it bother ANYONE that when people make predictions on pws.com on who will win an upcoming jingle dance contests. . . there is a DEFINITE lack of Anishinabe women in these predictions?

Are there any consistant jingle dress contest winners who are Anishinabe?

Is it that the Anishinabe don't care about contests or that they are more interested in the ceremonial aspect of jingle dancing?
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There's some that I know who are consistant in contest dancing. Karen Pheasant & Becky Taylor have been around for awile. Rolanda White, Madge White, Jackie Klein to name a few. The glitz is not prominent in Anishinaabe Kwe dress. Jackie really jazzes up her outfits. I think that's what catches the judges eye. Jennifer Jones has some eye catching outfits too. She places consistantly also.
It depends where the powwow is located. The Anishinaabe Kwe judges in the heart of jingle dress territory usually go for the not-so-sparkly look. Now, the judges in let's say Red Earth or Schemitzun see things a bit differently than they would in Northern Ontario or Minnesota.
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There's some that I know who are consistant in contest dancing. Karen Pheasant & Becky Taylor have been around for awile. Rolanda White, Madge White, Jackie Klein to name a few. The glitz is not prominent in Anishinaabe Kwe dress. Jackie really jazzes up her outfits. I think that's what catches the judges eye. Jennifer Jones has some eye catching outfits too. She places consistantly also.
It depends where the powwow is located. The Anishinaabe Kwe judges in the heart of jingle dress territory usually go for the not-so-sparkly look. Now, the judges in let's say Red Earth or Schemitzun see things a bit differently than they would in Northern Ontario or Minnesota.
Good question...but I think many of these ladies don't really make it over that way......If they do they don't compete..but thats a good question...hmmmm...I do think more should make it out west and i think the lack ojib's out west is a good reason why there are mainly contemp style winners over there.....
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Yeh I think it's a regional thing. I know Jennifer Jones was over in Cali at one of the casino pow-wows last year and tore it up. I wonder how Jackie & Madge would do if they went to Gathering. The winners there seem to be pretty consistent every year, lately.
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There's some that I know who are consistant in contest dancing. Karen Pheasant & Becky Taylor have been around for awile. Rolanda White, Madge White, Jackie Klein to name a few. The glitz is not prominent in Anishinaabe Kwe dress. Jackie really jazzes up her outfits. I think that's what catches the judges eye. Jennifer Jones has some eye catching outfits too. She places consistantly also.
It depends where the powwow is located. The Anishinaabe Kwe judges in the heart of jingle dress territory usually go for the not-so-sparkly look. Now, the judges in let's say Red Earth or Schemitzun see things a bit differently than they would in Northern Ontario or Minnesota.
Aho Neej!

Goot words. I judge quite a bit and I do go for the old style jingle look (if you will) moreso than the bling look. *L*. But yeah its true that it is a regional thing, kwe_zee. That is why I am all for two categories at powwows ;)

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Yeh I think it's a regional thing. I know Jennifer Jones was over in Cali at one of the casino pow-wows last year and tore it up. I wonder how Jackie & Madge would do if they went to Gathering. The winners there seem to be pretty consistent every year, lately.
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Good question!

But that makes me think of another one - when was the last Ponca fancy dance champion?
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But that makes me think of another one - when was the last Ponca fancy dance champion?
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Does it bother ANYONE that when people make predictions on pws.com on who will win an upcoming jingle dance contests. . . there is a DEFINITE lack of Anishinabe women in these predictions.

Maybe we should have something like affirmative action for us Nishnaabs?

LOL just kidding.

But yeah that kind of just feels weird, not bad exactly but odd that we aren't placing at the big powwows in our own dance.

But I agree with Kwe_Zee and Sweetie it is like a regional thing. I've never seen an non-Nish powwow except once at NIEA conference in Oklahoma City.
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Maybe we should have something like affirmative action for us Nishnaabs?

LOL just kidding.

But yeah that kind of just feels weird, not bad exactly but odd that we aren't placing at the big powwows in our own dance.

But I agree with Kwe_Zee and Sweetie it is like a regional thing. I've never seen an non-Nish powwow except once at NIEA conference in Oklahoma City.
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Maybe we should have something like affirmative action for us Nishnaabs?

But yeah that kind of just feels weird, not bad exactly but odd that we aren't placing at the big powwows in our own dance.
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This is a cryin' shame isn't it?

That brings up another question?


Is this an indication that other tribes are adding and changing things that maybe shouldn't be added or changed????
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This is a cryin' shame isn't it?

That brings up another question?


Is this an indication that other tribes are adding and changing things that maybe shouldn't be added or changed????
Nahh.

All Jinglers are beautiful...contemporary and old style. But I do like the thought of powwows incorporating the two categories. The Old Stylers keepin it real y'know ;)
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nishnaabe kwe here, I grew up being traditional dancer, but than made my move into jingle dancing, alot of my friends are jingle dancers too, but we had our "tour" of pow wows that were just traditional ones and that kept us hopping... It was difficult to make a choice weather to go to a competition pow wow or miss out on a weekend with this group of people. I never pow wow'd outside of the great lakes area, until i moved for school...it'll be my first gathering this year! I don't plan to bring my dress's out for competition its juss against all that i know, i'm excited to experience the pow wows out here but am also sad that i won't be with my friends.
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...it'll be my first gathering this year! I don't plan to bring my dress's out for competition its juss against all that i know,. . .
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miigwetch for starting this thread, its an issue that i had to debate with myself weather or not i can throw 20 some years of teachings into the wind or just believe what i believe.
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Since this is not a traditional dance to people who are not Anishinabe, it does not have the same meaning - as to one who was raised with the teachings of the cultural integrities that go along with owning a jingle dress.

I think these same integrities would apply to someone who was raised in a tribal grass dance societies, helushka man dance societies or gourd dance societies.


Then that raises the question..

How far from tradition can contemporary jingle dress dancing go?
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Contemporary has already went far away from the traditions of the jingle dress. Many do not feast the dress first, many do not follow that way, many dance while on their moontime in it. I know this to be true. I mean, what can one do about it? Not a dang thing. I dont like it. But reality is, there is nothing anyone can do about it for its a mere pretty dress to many. Thats it.

I've stated in threads here before....

There is nothing anyone can do about the lack of respect when wearing our jingle dress. There is only one judge and He cannot be fooled. So tither as one may, but I am content knowing Anishnabe Ikwe are the true owners of the dress and we know the proper things to do before even putting it on. When any jingle dress is worn without the ceremony first it lacks that healing spirit, the true meaning.
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