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Old 10-19-2007, 01:02 AM   #21
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where the blazes did i leave my crystals?....mots, did you sent them out the be cleaned again?
I got the chrystals in some water with sea salt sitting in the light of a full moon...lol
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I got the chrystals in some water with sea salt sitting in the light of a full moon...lol
I've seen TWO full moons in one night!
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I got the chrystals in some water with sea salt sitting in the light of a full moon...lol
did ya get the big green one too? some non believer breathed on it when he tried telling me it was just a really big boogger
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lol sure did, I put da rubber gloves on for that one cause I wasn't sure y it was drippen.
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Dude, did you know when you go for a chinese buffet you're only supposed to take one fortune cookie. I believe that when you make the statements you do sounding all noble and mystic ndns believe its crazy. I don't think any of actually talk like this seriously and when somebody comes along like this it is difficult to take individuals without a grain of salt. I don't think we collectively have anything against you and your brother from another mother storyteller. It is just hard for me and some others to be serious. It raises too many red flags. No pun intended.
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yeah...what he said
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there use to be a time when our elders spoke to us about things to come our people would listen,now like every thing else words are lost on the wind.Thunderhands speaks of things that people are affraid to hear but the words are true.
think about these things for a minute,Take away the prophecy and just look at whats going on around us every day,look at what has happened over the last couple hundred years and if you cant see the end then you are blind.there was once a time when we could hunt and fish where ever we needed but that is no longer unless you pay this government to get permission to do so,when did the creator say we had to have permission to live?
This government has laid tax's on all,we get taxed when we recieve a pay check then taxed ever time we need to buy something and they do this by submission or by force,you can either except it as is or go to jail,Jails that were built by the same tax's that has been taken from us.
lets talk about terrorism and the meaning of that word for a second,( Terrorism )"The political use of violence or intiminadation....( Terrorize )1 To fill with great fear:2 to control and dominate by intiminadation or violence.THat describes our government to the letter,so who are the real terrorists in this country?
our government developes weapons of mass destruction...for what reason other then control and death,think about this....can you own a gun,a bow,or any weapon with out using it?Even if its just too make sure that it works?Its human nature and these weapons of mass destruction will one day be used.
People know that the end as we know it is coming and coming soon!Its the direction in which we are being pushed,we are being left with no choice in the matter and its hard to believe that people are still so blinded to the truth that they dont see whats happening right in front of them every day.
What kind of life do we have really?Every phone call,Every e-mail,Every way that we have to communicate is being listened too or read and our privacy has been taken away from all of us.We have no more rights as people and laws are changing every day to make sure that it stays that way.
Do any of you honestly believe that the war is going to end?Its not going to end....this is only the beginning,its the beginning to our end if we do not do something to stop what has started!the war in Iraq will not end untill they submit to the will of our government or the people in this country say we have had enough!
this war was planned since before our government decided to stage a terriorist attack known today as 911,they needed a reason to go to Iraq and once again take what did not belong to them.Same thing they did when they first came to this country!Iran will be next followed by the war with Russia,you think it wont happen but remember the words I just wrote cause there is no way around it....It has to happen!
Add all this to what some call prophecy and make your own decisions as to what you believe to be true,Its time people to prepare yourselves and your families for what is too come,I believe in the prophecy because I pay close attention to whats going on in this world,the question now you all of you is Are you ready?
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Dude, did you know when you go for a chinese buffet you're only supposed to take one fortune cookie. I believe that when you make the statements you do sounding all noble and mystic ndns believe its crazy. I don't think any of actually talk like this seriously and when somebody comes along like this it is difficult to take individuals without a grain of salt. I don't think we collectively have anything against you and your brother from another mother storyteller. It is just hard for me and some others to be serious. It raises too many red flags. No pun intended.
OUR tradition is one of nobility and spirituality OK. I don't think you take anything seriously at this point in your life. Are you a heyoka? If you are I understand.
When you say collectively? Are you the chief of the tribe, or appointed spokesmen? I have gotten a few PM's already apologizing for some of the behavior here. Are you trying to count coup? Those of you who have wise comments? Like I said I met storyteller here for the first time, and found that person to be sincere. Your not walking the red road by your lack of respect for any man or woman that would come on here (these forums) in sincerity. You sound bitter and disillusioned with the old ways. Maybe you weren't told enough about them. I'm sorry for you! Aho! and all that good S**t
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nope. not bitter.not dissillusioned.not even moderately irked. my problem is that i cant swim and the flood of cream filling that swampped the thread is thretening to wash us all away.
the trouble isnt that people dont know thier own tradition and lifeways,its the fakes and frauds and people who think they know so much better.reading your opening post i had visions of native american spirit totem cards chasing me through the hostess twinkie plant. you laid it on a bit thick. it not only read like something from a new age spiritualist book, i sounded like you swallowed brook medicine eagle and ate morgan sunbear for desert. i guess youre trouble is that we do know our own lifeways and traditions and what youre spewing aint it. most of us have our own elders and spiritual leaders.maybe if you just didnt try so hard.
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nope. not bitter.not dissillusioned.not even moderately irked. my problem is that i cant swim and the flood of cream filling that swampped the thread is thretening to wash us all away.
the trouble isnt that people dont know thier own tradition and lifeways,its the fakes and frauds and people who think they know so much better.reading your opening post i had visions of native american spirit totem cards chasing me through the hostess twinkie plant. you laid it on a bit thick. it not only read like something from a new age spiritualist book, i sounded like you swallowed brook medicine eagle and ate morgan sunbear for desert. i guess youre trouble is that we do know our own lifeways and traditions and what youre spewing aint it. most of us have our own elders and spiritual leaders.maybe if you just didnt try so hard.
You know what you can do with your cream filling, I doubt if half of you on here are skins by the way you come off. That original posting wasn't my words it was from a Wicasa Wakan.
A "HOLY MAN" you want to call hime a fraud and a spewer!! go ahead. I put that up to start a spiritual or holy thread here, and to get comments on the condition of the planet, it struck a chord with me. Your into bitterness and anger, or maybe you think Jive talkin is cool, maybe you been watching to many John Travolta movies, you can't even communicate with me on a level, re:our music and flute's and drums, so I wonder about that to..
I don't read the crap you talk about I don't need too. When I read its classic stuff, Black elk, lame deer, fool's crow, and whatever else is real. I don't need to be called a fake and a fraud......so you can take a long walk off a short pier, Maybe you'll find some hostess twinkies down there. And you know what? you accomplished you purpose, you got me angry. And what the heck good does that do. So go on with your jive talking and modern BS ways your a disgrace to the race. Go to a couple of pow wows and you get a big head. And the other guy that started this he's a parole officer...talk about selling out to the white man,,,oh yea! I didn't know if the moderator is watching this...but if this is the way you welcome new people to this forum ...the whole spirit of the thing sucks....I won't be wasting my time here it looks like. Have fun whitebread.

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where the blazes did i leave my crystals?....mots, did you sent them out the be cleaned again?
Flutemaker did you check the refrigerator? One time I couldn't find the tv remote and it was in the refrigerator.
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wow....sounds like youre the one with the anger issues here. pretty much everyone here is just regular folk. we go to work,we spend time with our families,pay bills,gripe about the cost of gas and what have you. youre the one who came on sounding like a side show.if you want to talk environment,lets talk environment.what do you think of the 'micro-eco' programs? if you want to talk spirituallity,lets talk spirituallity.how valuable are the immerssion schools and should they be made available to urban areas too? but cut out the carnie show, being able to cite what someone else said doesnt really impress. you were quoting what person "of lakota herritage" said a woman of seneca herritage told him.third hand hersey dont get a warrent.
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I was totally teasing. Guess the joke didn't come across in writing.
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wow....sounds like youre the one with the anger issues here. pretty much everyone here is just regular folk. we go to work,we spend time with our families,pay bills,gripe about the cost of gas and what have you. youre the one who came on sounding like a side show.if you want to talk environment,lets talk environment.what do you think of the 'micro-eco' programs? if you want to talk spirituallity,lets talk spirituallity.how valuable are the immerssion schools and should they be made available to urban areas too? but cut out the carnie show, being able to cite what someone else said doesnt really impress. you were quoting what person "of lakota herritage" said a woman of seneca herritage told him.third hand hersey dont get a warrent.
You keep using words that are insulting and you don't expect people to get Mad? Regular folk Ok! Whats a Carnie show (insulting) got to do with a statement by a holy man! I just can't understand why you want to put people down by jumping on their case. Any time anyone does that,, (name calling in a sense) its to try to make you look better. You came on with this attitude that I am a carnie show, that I am not real, that I am this and that....and what you say is this and that. Ok so you know it all already, your glass is full, you can't learn anything from anyone...sounds like!!

I really am sorry that I got mad, not because I offended you but because I offended myself and my own sense of dignity. And I let someone do that to me. So now what do I do stay here and talk to someone that cares less about my opinion. I'm just really sorry that the people that Pm'ed me don't come out and respond by post. But they are probably afraid of getting attacked for being nice.

I won't talk to you about micro-Eco systems and school immersion, because you spoiled any type of connection we could have had as regular folk....And so I will be leaving this forum with some advice to the webmaster...hopefully the insulting rhetoric, and debasing comments that you say are jokes will stop. And some serious conversation and healing can take place...the world needs it! I have a lot of forums I go to and I must say I am disappointed in this one.
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You keep using words that are insulting and you don't expect people to get Mad? Regular folk Ok! Whats a Carnie show (insulting) got to do with a statement by a holy man! I just can't understand why you want to put people down by jumping on their case. Any time anyone does that,, (name calling in a sense) its to try to make you look better. You came on with this attitude that I am a carnie show, that I am not real, that I am this and that....and what you say is this and that. Ok so you know it all already, your glass is full, you can't learn anything from anyone...sounds like!!

I really am sorry that I got mad, not because I offended you but because I offended myself and my own sense of dignity. And I let someone do that to me. So now what do I do stay here and talk to someone that cares less about my opinion. I'm just really sorry that the people that Pm'ed me don't come out and respond by post. But they are probably afraid of getting attacked for being nice.

I won't talk to you about micro-Eco systems and school immersion, because you spoiled any type of connection we could have had as regular folk....And so I will be leaving this forum with some advice to the webmaster...hopefully the insulting rhetoric, and debasing comments that you say are jokes will stop. And some serious conversation and healing can take place...the world needs it! I have a lot of forums I go to and I must say I am disappointed in this one.
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the 'serious conversation' door is open if you want to get down off that cross. im sure someone needs the wood
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I gotta agree with Thunderhands. I was staying quiet because he has more authority to speak than I. But everything he said rang true to me. This forum is not a friendly place, and gestures of good will are rejected. Life is short and, frankly, mean people suck.

I'd rather spend my time alone by a campfire.
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ok everyone take a step back

Alright I see a lot of heat goin on in here, and heat is just a couple of letters rearranged from hate.

Its this kind of crap and thinking that seperates our people and this is a time when our people need to be comming together. Maybe this forum is not the place to be taking things like prophecy seriously, but it certainly is not a place to be criticising it either. Everyone is entitled to their own words and beliefs.

There are a couple things in the first post on this thread that applied to a couple things going through my mind at the time I read it, and I am not talking about generalities like you get out of your horoscope.

"In the times to come you must cut off the voices of the people
that constantly rattle in your head. These are the voices that
tell you what you should or shouldn't have done or said. When you
are so busy worrying about what people say, you cannot see the
truth. One can only see the truth when one is experiencing the
truth."


In my life right now this is pretty much refering to my boss, and I arguing over whether or not I am Indian. I say I am, he calls me a hippocrit for saying so. Nothing I can say, show hiim or do can convince him otherwise. He will not listen to reason, his mind is fixed. I have given up on trying. I had joined his boyscout troop about a year ago, and just the other day I quit. We got into an arguement, in front of the boys, and doing so destroyed any creditablility in their eyes that I am a leader. I have my own sense of spirituality, and responsibility. He said my place is with society. I must socialize and associate with members of my community, and I retorted with, why should I associate with people that really do not want me around anyway? He said people need society for survival. I said, I need no one. I have gotten as far as I have with very little outside help.

I have been praying for some guidance from Gichie Manitoo. A lot of times this guidance comes in many different ways. Sometimes it is a fortune cookie I pick at random and break open. One little phrase can make a lot of sense sometimes. I get dreams sometimes, very vivid and meaningful. Sometimes things happen to give me a little push in the right direction. I got a lot from this post, I do not believe it is fake. I live in a land full of fakes of every color.

But Thunderhands do not let these people anger you. Anger clouds reason. Prophecy is something to be taken very seriously and is something that is hard to take seriously in this environment. There could be anyone hiding behind these screens and keyboards. The only one on here that you can truely trust is yourself. The internet is a place full of fakes and frauds, its the sickness in the technology you speak of. Fortunately this is the cleanest board around. The moderators here do a very good job keeping off the garbage that I see come up on other sites, I like cars, frequent sites on cars and on many of them they tell me how to enlarge my penis or see hot pics of women I will never meet. I do not see what relevance that has with adjusting the timing on my engine, but its there.

I do not know the right way to do what you are trying to do, which is outreach to people. These comming times are something that needs to be taken seriously. I for one am interested in discussing these topics, to shed some light on the dreams I have. I do not speak of these dreams lightly, nor publicly, most people would call me a crackpot. I seek enlightenment in sweats, something that is not done here in Florida.

I must go now. It is late and I have to work tomorrow. It does me no good to come in here and see people I can relate to arguing amongst themselves. For too long at pow wows and other places I have seen my friends part ways from each other, never again speaking. This is what the white man wants. They want us to become seperate, to assimilate into the culture they have created. What we need to do is assimilate amongst ourselves, come together to fight this thing head on, to survive.

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