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Old 10-20-2007, 03:35 PM   #61
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I know all too well about the freaks and twinkies that come on this site. But dang ... I'd be interested in hearing good thoughts and feelings on prophesies of native tribes or elders. Just the other day I got a link on Hopi prophesies and how some think they are being fulfilled now.

I'm not saying things weren't said that didn't sound a little *wooo hoooo* but talk could have been kept to the prophesy aspect of the conversation ..... at least long enough to see which way it was going to go.
Mato,shouldn't this be in Native Life somewhere instead of Chit-Chat ? Also,as I believe it was MOTS who said this Thunderhands and Storyteller do sound a lot alike,and I imagine others agree. Since you are a moderator on this board is there anyway to check to see if they are "related" like coming off same computer ? If the not then just post and say they not.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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2line : I was just complimenting your parody....I always appreciate your insight .......
I am not judging either....just making observations.....
One likes to know who they're talking to.....sometimes folks are just not who you might think......
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2line : I was just complimenting your parody....I always appreciate your insight .......
I am not judging either....just making observations.....
One likes to know who they're talking to.....sometimes folks are just not who you might think......
aww Wardancer thank you ...
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A lifepath reading & counseling consists of the following. An e-mail reading, with follow up concerning your lifepath. This will be based on information I receive from you consisting of name, birth date, and geographic location, and any specific question about the path your on. I need no more then that. Upon receipt of this information I will ask Great Spirit for guidance in harmony with your spirit guides and will send you a personal prayer (reading) and any spiritual counseling needed, to put you on the proper path. I will also offer up certain prayers and perform some Native American rituals upon your behalf to bring about the needed changes and healing to enhance your life. Phone consultation can also be arranged, if you feel it is required after you have your reading. I thank Great Spirit for this opportunity to help you. Thunderhands "Mitakuye Oyasin"


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Thanks for the free ad!


I'm not in a blues band, and yes I do from time to time advertise readings and mostly counseling, for people who might need it.
Do I set myself up as some kind of god and Miracle worker no. I have given counsel to people for years and don't claim anything outrageous as my ad clearly states. I am not baiting people as they have a free will. Have you seen some of the people on there and what they claim? And what they charge?

I have given a lot of counseling to people for free, many many times. As far as charging for it. Is that OK? Well does Lame Deer, or Black elk, or yellow tail or fools crow, charge for the books they sell? Do you think I am getting rich? Believe me I'm not. E-bay charges for the listings and I don't do that many. Are people happy and satisfied... read the feedback. I do it because it gives me a sense of fulfillment just like the fulfillment you get when you sell a flute, or when you do work.
I am helping people by exposing them to some of the Native American thought and philosophy you condemn me for. Is that wrong? I have helped troubled people who were at the end of their ropes by speaking of Great spirit and pointing them in the right direction. Am I a healer? No! But I might facilitate healing. And yes I do ritual and prayer, I smoke the red pipe and offer tobacco to mother earth for other people. I may have even saved a few lives by talking to people on the phone. So I am a bad person HUH! For using my spirituality and knowledge of our ways to encourage other people. So don't try to defame my name on forums by digging up info that I never intended to be here,,unless I have chosen to do so. For you to splash something on here and make a judgment call without knowing any facts is defamation in the legal sense. However I have nothing to hide in fact on some forums I put an ad in the classifieds. But thats up to me not you. I'm sorry that I sicken you because I help other people. Go to a shrink and see how much they charge. And I honestly can say I Will counsel and encourage anyone who wants it. money or no money. When you think about it, how many times do you get the chance to help other people or maybe even stop them from doing something bad. I can't tell you the good feelings that gives me. And no its not about the green frog skins (money) I do have to pay bills though just like everyone else

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Mato,shouldn't this be in Native Life somewhere instead of Chit-Chat ? Also,as I believe it was MOTS who said this Thunderhands and Storyteller do sound a lot alike,and I imagine others agree. Since you are a moderator on this board is there anyway to check to see if they are "related" like coming off same computer ? If the not then just post and say they not.
Just my 2 cents worth.
I assure you we are not the same person, Unless I had a sex change operation. (laughs) You people are too much,,,as in paranoid! But maybe you should be,,I could be a govt agent and have Intel on everyone here. In the meantime back to reality.....Is this Mato a moderator because I would like to talk to them.... And can anybody tell me why I have a red neon thing as opposed to green under the number of posts.
Does that mean I'm a bad guy (The scarlet letter or something) or does that just mean I'm red hot. I swear this is getting really out there. Don't be a good guy ...you might get in trouble! Just remember if I am doing something good in Great spirits eyes and spreading the truth about how the native American looks at things. Is that not good,,,and if any of you send bad vibes or thoughts or whatever out regarding this matter, won't it come back on you in someway. I would never do that to anyone because I know the spiritual laws. I came here out of love and concern for the planet,,,,and people must have taken some of the prophecy I posted originally personally. Maybe they didn't like the part about giving women the power the deserve IE the sacred feminine or grandmother. But be careful what you sling out there my way, for I know I am a good man with good intentions and if you smear me the cosmic law says you will pay.

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I , for 1 , have my own opinions and for the most part , I keep them to myself. I just posted the correct link to your listing....I'll let the people on here form their own opinions....and with all the red beads , it seems they have !
I have a job and I get paid for it. I also help anyone I can...and I don't get paid for that ! Nor would I ask....
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Very interesting !
Native American Church Guestbook
it's about 25 posts down....

Native American Life path readings
Hey , he takes paypal !
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and yet another !
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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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I , for 1 , have my own opinions and for the most part , I keep them to myself. I just posted the correct link to your listing....I'll let the people on here form their own opinions....and with all the red beads , it seems they have !
I have a job and I get paid for it. I also help anyone I can...and I don't get paid for that ! Nor would I ask....


So the red beads mean I am not liked! Well thanks for telling me. A rating system, that encourages banishment and or excommunication. Sounds like a lynching party. But when you look back at it all of our leaders were disliked by the white man, so you are acting in the spirit of the white man. Or maybe you are just mislead by others. Sitting Bull was killed by who? The Indian Police.
Brothers I'm sorry you hate me for the truth and for bringing up things you didn't want to look at, but you don't make me cower,,,I am a warrior and I will stand here and take all the BS like a warrior, because if I reach one heart I have won the battle, maybe not the war.

I'm retired so I do that thing (counseling) because I have free time and I like to help people. I know of Medicine men who I respect who give sweats and pray for people and have retreats and charge money....is that wrong too. No it isn't, because they offer hope. But hey Bro its OK to build a big Frigging casino and rip people off by the millions,,,,and I mean dollars.....Get my point!!!
My brothers in the four corners area
think having a casino is a sacrilage...how about you? And before you post anything having to do with my Biz...think first before you do it again because you could be sued....but I won't do that to you,,,,someone else might if you do it to them ,,,,so its just a warning for your own good....All in all I feel good I made such a stir,,,, maybe some of you will stop being so complacent and judgemental....hey look ma we hung and Indian today wasn't that fun.
I feel good about it,,,in the spirit of crazyhorse......I'm just trying to warn you of whats coming....a pale horse, with a rider on its back and hell followed with him. So sit around and watch it all go down, and don't by any means change your consciousness or heart.....cause that won't help the planet will it? or will it! Good question huh my brothers> Go back to joking and jiving its more fun.
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Wow what a interesting read. I have yet to read the entire thread , but I will pop some more popcorn and ask my big brother Wardancer to read with me. What are you wanting us to see? or underdtand? I dont say this in a bad way ,perhaps I need to read abit more .
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I never said I was an elder did I? And if I was a holy man I wouldn't be saying I was... I might have said I was old. I find Lakota as a good means for communicating spiritual matters. A lot of things are the same, but more people know the words that the lakota use for spiritual matters. I have some good friends that are Sioux.


I also have many Lakota friends in Pine Ridge. Next time I go there, I'll ask them if they know or heard of you....maybe I'll just make a phone call.


I say great spirit instead of God and I could say achadadea, (crow) maker of all things, or I could use any number of names or aspects of the Iroquois god, like Hagweydiyu the creator, or Sosondowah the hunter who sometimes became a hawk. And on and on! And yes that was a bad thing saying Aho in the same sentence as, well you know...but I got angry so forgive. Also my parents kept things from me for some damn reason...,,maybe so I would fit in better....1946 was a different time.

So was 1954.

So I had to search and find things out that should have been there for me...but the spirit guided me to where I am. I even read the BOOK (bible) from cover to cover and can out quote most christians..but I don't like to, only if they slap me in the face with a scripture. And their god is Yahweh, Hebrew, and Jesus real name is yeshua. The Jews had tribes too! And I studied eastern religions too, for years because I was into the martial arts and hand to hand combat. I also have my pilots ratings all of them, Including commercial, multi-engine, instrument and flight instructor. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

I might have...but it wasn't last night.

I don't say this to be bragging either, just to let you know more about me. I can't tell you some stuff because its private or maybe the word is classified. So I take it your either hopi or navajo,

Nope, neither one.



maybe four corners area. I spent some time in Flagstaff,,,one of my favorite towns actually. Just a guess! Aho!
Message said I had to put something here for it to post.lol
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Very interesting !
Native American Church Guestbook
it's about 25 posts down....

Native American Life path readings
Hey , he takes paypal !
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and yet another !
Hey Wardancer! I love you brother, I checked your profile out. your a good man, and your dancers are beautiful too.
Nothing you have posted about me hurts my feelings. I feel like I came here to say something and now if its is time for me to leave I will....and you can all talk about the day Thunderhands came, and how he caused such a stir. And how we purged ourselves of a crazy warrior. And you know what,,,I'm infamous it says so when you click on the beads.
Technology is wondrous thing Eh! You can hang someone with it. is a great thing. But if many hear hate me, my heart is heavy! Oh and by the way you missed the other parts of my website, in the links section I have a link to free leonard as in peltier. I was around back then when we took back wounded knee, that was what in the 60's early seventies,,,my memory ain't as good as it was....Aho!

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Thunderhands : I don't hate you....I think maybe you are a bit misguided...again , only my humble opinion , which means little if anything to anyone , but me.
Thank-you for the compliments ! I am who I am and I don't claim to be anybody special....My whole family dances...and we are Cheyenne....and I haven't given you any red beads either...there is no need , it seems the majority already have.....

Oh yeah , just for the record.....you are NOT my brother.....

happy posting !
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There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





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Thunderhands : I don't hate you....I think maybe you are a bit misguided...again , only my humble opinion , which means little if anything to anyone , but me.
Thank-you for the compliments ! I am who I am and I don't claim to be anybody special....My whole family dances...and we are Cheyenne....and I haven't given you any red beads either...there is no need , it seems the majority already have.....

Oh yeah , just for the record.....you are NOT my brother.....

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heres a new question.... would this be covered under the arts and crafts law?
since hes selling a 'native american' reading does he have to have the state or federal card ? cuz theres another person on there selling cherokee readings
no the arts and crafts bill doesnt cover this specifically(it should and all other areas of Indian life) BUT many states have laws protecting against fraud...if some one is selling something as a cherokee reading ,and they cant prove they are cherokee(or what ever tribe they claim) then that can be persued as fraud...counseling with out proper licensing is against the law as far as i know....
as far as i know "Iroquois" people never speak the Creators name outside of Longhouse... just an observation
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:59 AM   #77
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hello skillet.....flute had a question about the arts and crafts law....I figured you guys were well versed in it and could answer his query.
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oh , sorry , I see you've answered him.
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oh , sorry , I see you've answered him.
lol its all good WD...was reading this post and thought id do my civic duty...
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gosh you got a lot of red beads ,fast.
time is speaking. we cant follow aperson whom dosn dont follow a way of the peolpe. it true that we are sperated by our truth the one that guides us you might be right in your helping but ,to undre stand the stead fast you need to conet to the people,not easy to do we can be conflicked to say the least. its not to say that you have not givin you love to ppl who needed that but to keep the path clean we must say dont give your love to one who dont follow the path of who we are i would try to give you peace , but becouse you choise war i cant.
i do have symphathy i hear your words,but could you under stand that giving only part of your truth coreup what is really true
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