Cherokee Roots Vol. 1

[timmy tiger]

Okay, alot of people are looking for their ancestry, many are using this book to search for their Cherokee side.

So I have a question or two about it. (actually I know the answer's, but am looking for what other's think first)

So was everyone who is listed in the book accepted for enrollment?

If there's not a number next to their name what does that mean? In other words on the Chapman Roll there's an AC sometimes instead of a number, so what does that mean or stand for?

On the Siler Roll next to some people's names it will give a "P" and then a number, what does that mean?

How or where can you verify this information?

[CHEROSAGE]

Alright, what's the answers? I give, I give.

[timmy tiger]

Alright, what's the answers? I give, I give.

Dang you want it that easy don't you.

Okay, the answer to the first question is "NO".

Okay on the Siler Roll wher it lists a "p" and then a page number refers to the page where that person had been investigated. In other words their enrollment was being questioned by the gov (in most cases) so they checked with other member's of the tribe to verify that person's eligibilty for enrollement. And many of them were actually rejected, not accepted due to many reason's but the majority of the reason's was that Siler couldn't find anyone in the Tribe who recognized the person's or family as ever being part of the Cherokee Tribe.

The "AC" on the Chapman Rolls refers to what's called the "Act of Congress" where in 1854 many persons who's enrollment had been questioned went through congress and were accepted. Many of these same persons spent their lives fighting every time the rolls came around and it shows with some of the applications on the Guion Miller Roll.

So where else can you find this info?

What about the other rolls in the book?

[Okwataga]

rolls in the other book? are you talking about the red cover cherokee book by Blankenship?

you'd have to actually either find a library that has paper copies of those other rolls or the microfilm....

[timmy tiger]

rolls in the other book? are you talking about the red cover cherokee book by Blankenship?

you'd have to actually either find a library that has paper copies of those other rolls or the microfilm....

Yes Okwatag, that's exactly what I'm talking about here.

Most people when they say to me "I found my relative on the rolls" they are saying that they found them listed in this book.

This is why I brought up the discussion. Is because many seem to think that just finding them listed in this book is all it takes. And there's actually so much more to it and yes you have to find an actual copy fo the rolls or the microfilm as you are stating again to make sure.

[Okwataga]

I know the library uses the book as a beginnign point for most people looking up their family...... so they shoudl be mainly looking through the baker roll - and there is also a BOOk of the baker roll as well... the Red book to me is more of a reference, not the answer for the EBCI.... you get more when you actually look at the actual ROLLS.....
and if someone comes in and just jumps into an older roll say the Mullay of 1848 and they are looking for "john Smith" there maybe several listed - dosen't mean it's your john smith

but this is ALL MY OPINION... and how i do my research

[timmy tiger]

I totally agree and it's how I do my research and have for many years as well.

But many don't know how or understand how and so they just jump right in and say "Hey I found John Smith on the rolls, so it has to be mine" and many times it's just through this book and it's not theirs. Unfortunately many don't understand that and that's why I brought up this thread. Even if no one but you and I post in it, maybe some will read it and understand that there's more to finding a relation on the rolls then just one book.

Yes, this book is just a beginning reference point and that's the way that it should be handled or dealt with.

[Okwataga]

what you don't want to talk to me???!!

DANG!!!

[timmy tiger]

what you don't want to talk to me???!!

DANG!!!

Now you know better then that.

[Okwataga]

I do


so... what's new in the Gen. world?

[timmy tiger]

So far same old same old.

But there is an unconfirmed rumor right now that the National Archives is going to or starting to open up the WWII military records to the public and I was told that they started it last year.

[timmy tiger]

rolls in the other book? are you talking about the red cover cherokee book by Blankenship?

you'd have to actually either find a library that has paper copies of those other rolls or the microfilm....

No not rolls in the other book, other rolls in this book (the red one we've been talking about).

And I know that the library in Cherokee has the paper copies of the actual rolls, and there are other library's that have the book version of the rolls as well. Or the National archives has them on microfilm, and dang that's alot of info to go through to get one name, but it might be worth it to someone who lives close.LOL And then the Church of the Later Day Saints has them on microfilm as well, I believe.

[Lost in 4 Worlds]

Rolls

Interesting, From what I know and have been dealing with to obtain registration is that, for the Cherokee nation you have to have a relative on the Dawes roll, then you have to prove linage. And as far as I know that is the ONLY one that Tahlequah will accept.

[timmy tiger]

Interesting, From what I know and have been dealing with to obtain registration is that, for the Cherokee nation you have to have a relative on the Dawes roll, then you have to prove linage. And as far as I know that is the ONLY one that Tahlequah will accept.

Yes, you are correct.

What we are talking about here is the "Red" book which is for the Eastern Cherokee's of NC. Now, the "Blue" book called "Cherokee Roots Vol. 2" is the one that Covers the CNO and some UKB up to the Dawes Roll. I have the dawes roll, paper version, but not the Drennen or the First Settler's, am looking now to see if they have been transcribed by anyone so far (all the microfilm and info compacted into an easy to read book.LOL).

[Wildhorsespirit]

How common is...

The name Jenkins?

My ggrandmother is Helen and her brother is Claude as to their parents I have no idea. Both are full Cherokee and from KY.
I have had no luck locating them anywhere and if it had not been for the obituary I found for her I would not have her SSN but I was told that her parents may not be found by that way. Is it possible???

I now have a pic of her thanks to a cousin I was shocked since I was beginning to think she and her full Osage husband didn't exist LOL