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    I was at a pow wow this weekend when some Gentleman came over and started talking to my friend and I about the different tribes in NC, not the Cherokee's that most know, but the other's. Many of whom are State recognized and, I'm not sure, but I think some aren't.

    We all know how to look up the most common and popular ones, but what about these Tribes and other's like them such as: The Lumbee's and Saponi's just as an example of two of them and I know there are many more out there.

    How would you look them up? Or even find them?

    Where could you get this information?

    Were there NDN Agents who might have records on some of these tribes way back when? And if so where would they be?

    Would the BIA have any info on them?

    I always tell people that just because an ancestor comes from NC doesn't automatically make them Cherokee, there were many tribes in NC back in the early 1800's. So how would one know which tribe?

  • #2
    Timmy Tiger go to Native Americans in Yadkin Valley & this will tell you about some of the tribes in North Carolina. I Came from one of the tribes they are talking about. Saura, Keyauwee, Saponi, Or Catawba Don,t know Which. My Great grandmother came from Randolph County & was full blooded Indian. She Married & moved to Davidson County where my family came family came from. This area was called Yadkin Valley.
    Hope I Can Help you more Thank
    TomBeck

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    • #3
      I know of the Catawba, and the Santee, Saponi, Tuscarora....and of course my people The Cherokee....

      I also ran across this bit of info years ago when doing some research for a history paper in college and I scanned it and included it for what it's worth ... BTW I got a A- on the paper, said that I was to one sided and to wordy....


      At the time of the first European contact, North Carolina was inhabited by a number of native tribes sharing some cultural traits, but also distinguished by regional and linguistic variations.

      Three major language families were represented in North Carolina: Iroquoian, Siouan, and Algonquian. Iroquois speaking people included the Cherokee, Tuscarora, Meherrin, Coree, and Neuse River tribes. Algonquin speakers included the Bear River, Chowan, Hatteras, Nachapunga, Moratok, Pamlico, Secotan, and Weapomeoc tribes. The Siouan language family included the Cape Fear, Catawba, Cheraw, Eno, Keyauwee, Occaneechi, Saponi, Shakori, Sissipahaw, Sugaree, Tutelo, Waccamaw, Wateree, Waxhaw, and Woccon tribes.

      The Iroquois tribes inhabited the mountains in the western portion of the state. The Siouan tribes lived in the central piedmont area, and the Algonquin tribes lived in the southern tidewater area.

      Hope that this helps...
      Thankful for the blessing from the Creator in my life!!!!

      Life should not be measured by the number of things that we aquire on our journey but by the number of lives that we touch along that road.

      I am a bridge on the red path between my ancestors and the future. I am a bridge between my white heritage and my native heritage. A bridge joins two sides together and provides a way to move on..... A.K. O'Pry-Reynolds

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      • #4
        Thanks Tom for the thread, I briefly looked at it and it looks pretty interesting. Will take a better look here in a little bit.

        Thanks Steele for the info.

        But where would someone who was looking in that area find the actual Tribe that their ancestor came from, or can they?

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        • #5
          That would be a tough one since some of these tribes are not "tribes" anymore per the BIA....I suppose that the only way that you could trace them would be family history...
          Thankful for the blessing from the Creator in my life!!!!

          Life should not be measured by the number of things that we aquire on our journey but by the number of lives that we touch along that road.

          I am a bridge on the red path between my ancestors and the future. I am a bridge between my white heritage and my native heritage. A bridge joins two sides together and provides a way to move on..... A.K. O'Pry-Reynolds

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          • #6
            Originally posted by steelemagnolia63 View Post
            That would be a tough one since some of these tribes are not "tribes" anymore per the BIA....I suppose that the only way that you could trace them would be family history...
            In my area Souian indians ruled,the drowning creek use to be catawaba territory,Tuscarora,lumbees, cheraws, coharies,saponis(i belive),so many tribes lived on this river but they b elived cheraw indians settled in the old charraw settlement which is pembroke a.k.a scuffletown (if i remember correctly)to us it was called the settelment and I remember for my aunt she had to tell them stuff she knew as a little kid or our history because she moved to cali it also depends which area you was from what surnames you were like my g. grandma was a sampson which was consider the sampson county indians who came to robeson county my last name jacobs they belive came from the saponi indans that was on a plantation,my grandpa was a lowrie which came from a hero for us name henry berry lowrie who was Tuscarora.But im guessing im a lumbee because my mom aunt and all is but there is alot in my family that seperates me from white or black in robeson county,words we grew up using skin color and all but im assuming i might have had a diffrent tribal history to but i just cant find it my dad last name is kerns which appears on the cherokee but i really dont think im cherokee
            Last edited by DarkWaterDeweller; 09-30-2009, 05:35 PM.
            "My band is BIG enough...They are all true man...We mean to live as long as we can and at last if we must die,to die game"- Henry Berry Lowrie(Lumbee tribe)
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            • #7
              Genealogy Records-:

              Biographies
              Cemetery Records
              Census Records
              Family Tree Search
              History Books Online
              Military Records
              Surnames
              Vital Records
              World Genealogy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ruselrones View Post
                Genealogy Records-:

                Biographies
                Cemetery Records
                Census Records
                Family Tree Search
                History Books Online
                Military Records
                Surnames
                Vital Records
                World Genealogy
                There are some really good places here to get records from.

                But Family tree search and World Genealogy? Aren't these sites where other people put on what they have found? Are there any actual county or vital records that you can personally look up to verify the work yourself? I'm asking because I have personally seen where and how it's so easy for someone to make a mistake (human error) and if you go by just what they find and don't double check it yourself, then you wind up with the same mistakes and it will totally throw you off and you won't know where to fix it later down the road. I've seen that first hand.

                What do you mean by Surnames?

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                • #9
                  Don't know how much this would help but after pouring over Ancestry.com, there are times when you find Siouan tribes listed on the 1900 Indian census and/or on the 1930 census listed as Indian.
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                  • #10
                    You could try this link. The rest of the page has great info as well. Poke around a little.




                    Genealogy Help Page

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by timmy tiger View Post
                      There are some really good places here to get records from.

                      But Family tree search and World Genealogy? Aren't these sites where other people put on what they have found? Are there any actual county or vital records that you can personally look up to verify the work yourself? I'm asking because I have personally seen where and how it's so easy for someone to make a mistake (human error) and if you go by just what they find and don't double check it yourself, then you wind up with the same mistakes and it will totally throw you off and you won't know where to fix it later down the road. I've seen that first hand.

                      What do you mean by Surnames?
                      Timmy Tiger, Your right to questions those sites. One of my great uncles on my mothers side did their entire lineage back to their original countries before they migrated to America. I use to hear him talk about the things he would find. Dates being incorrect as well as names etc.

                      From listening to him and my great uncles talk. You need proof. And remember that the further you go back the more things get crazy. On census records, surnames (last names) were written according to how the census taker thought it should be spelled. Also, if that said ancestor had a speach problem, or spoke broken english, it would many times be written completely different then it sound.

                      You have to start with you parents and work you way back. Be advised, when you get into the ndn part of lineages etc, it becomes even more difficult. Many times if the said ancestor was more tan than brown, they would pass as white, considering the force removals etc. If they were dark and kept their hair short they would pass as mulatto or black all together.

                      You need to search the census records. The family bibles and the stories documented. Follow the family surnames (last names) through the counties and or states. Once you figure out the surname and the county, do a search in the records of the recorded nations or tribes living within the said county. That will be the only way.

                      Also be advised. Many ppl spend years on doing this. Ask fellow researchers, people at the libraries, and genealogy departments. I would assume they would be willing to help you find the direction you need to go. Also be advised that you will hear of many stories along the way, perhaps even uncover some hidden secrets tucked away. Also be advised, you may not end up where your wanting to go.

                      Just remember its not the destination that matters, but the sites and people you see and meet along the way. Good luck in your search.
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                      • #12
                        Thy this link.

                        State of North Carolina - Department of Administration


                        Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


                        "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

                        Mr. Rossie Freeman

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Jammer for you post. I'm sure it will help many.


                          Awesome site JD, thanks for adding it. I looked at it and it looks really neat.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks for posting that link JD.









                            jD

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                            • #15
                              Caddo. Within historic times no Caddoan tribe is known to have lived within the limits of the present State of Missouri, but occupancy by Caddo is indicated by certain archeological remains in the extreme southwestern section. (See Texas.)

                              Dakota. Representatives of this tribe were a party to a treaty made in 1830, relinquishing lands in Missouri to the Whites. (See South Dakota.)

                              Delaware. In 1818 a grant of land in southern Missouri was made to some of the Delaware Indians but it was re-ceded by them in 1829. (See New Jersey.)

                              Foxes. Representatives of this tribe were a party to treaties with the United States Government concerning Missouri lands made in 1804 and 1830. (See Wisconsin.)

                              Illinois. Some of the tribes of the Illinois group at one time lived close to, and probably for a short time within, the eastern boundaries of Missouri. (See Illinois.)

                              Iowa. The Iowa perhaps lived for a time in that part of Missouri north of Missouri River. (See Iowa.)

                              Kickapoo. The Kickapoo lived in Missouri for awhile after they had sold their lands in Illinois but soon passed on to Kansas. (See Wisconsin.)

                              Missouri. Meaning either "(people having) dugout canoes," or "(people having) wooden canoes," which amounts to the same thing. Through a misunderstanding, the name has been supposed to apply to the river which now bears the name, and it has been interpreted as meaning "big muddy." They were also called:
                              Niúachi, their own name.
                              Waçux¢a, by the Osage.
                              Wa-ju'-xd¢ǎ, by the Quapaw.
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