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  • Mato Mahe
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    Originally posted by WhoMe View Post
    A friend and I were just talking about how many tribes use blood quantum to determine their membership. She said, "tribes that do this are setting themselves up for extinction." Eventually intermarriage will wipe fixed blood quantum out.

    I totally agree with her because under the current blood quantum of my tribal membership, my future grandchildren will not qualify to be members. And this concerns me....

    She said her tribe recently opened up their membership for new members including new babies, people who moved out of state etc. In order to become a member each person seeking enrollment had to answer, historical, cultural and family questions that pertained to their tribe's identity. (For new borns, their parents were asked).

    It was this tribes belief that if they were connected to their community roots, they would know the answers to their questions. Individuals who moved away and did not maintain any connection to their tribal community were not able to answer the questions and refused membership - regardless of blood quantum.

    WOW!!!


    Is this an idea of the future that more tribe's should adopt?

    Will blood quantum, if maintained, make tribes extinct???? Should blood quantum, as the principle criteria for membership, be abandoned?

    For those of you who are not Cherokee, where is this current criteria going to put your future great, grandchildren???


    Whatcha' think?
    Wow, where's Zeke when you need him? LOL

    Zeke and I discussed this about a year ago. I totally understand Zeke's position regarding blood quantum and agree with him, those tribes who abide by a (1/4) blood quantums have set themselves up for extinction.

    What criteria could a tribe put into effect to determine enrollment OTHER than blood quantum??

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  • RainWarrior
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    I feel sad of this only because it also eventually effects religion as well. You must be a federal native of 1/4 degree or higher to qualify for religious items as well. But it is ultimately the decision of the tribe for those of you who's grandchildren are "adopted" remember that doesn't protect their religious rights or traditions. That is a BIG concern for them to make our ceremonies forbidden to those based on blood levels?

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  • timmy tiger
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    Who me.

    Thanks for this post. It's funny that you bring this up now 'cause I'm in the middle, in a way, of something along those same lines and trying to open things up a little, but in a different way.

    I agree with what your friends tribe is doing. I think that's great for the future of the people.

    I do think that if they don't do something like this then the tribes will be gone. A good friend of mine is full blood from Rosebud, her husband is full blood from Standing Rock. When their kids were born, his tribe would only list them as 1/2, but hers would accept them as full blood as well. So she went there. But now she has grand children who are lower and though they are being raised NDN and living who they are, their children may not be eligible. And when not living on the rez, but being raised NDN, wouldn't that make you that? Her g-grandchildren may not be able to enroll if things stay the way that they are.

    I had a friend, also, who is enrolled Kiowa, but her kids fell just a hair short, and I do mean a hair.LOL But they were raised Kiowa and taught by their grandfather, I was there. And yet they weren't enrolled for a long time. I heard that the Kiowa's lowered their blood quantum.

    I don't think that blood quantum should be a basis. But that's just my opinion here. But I will fight for the right of the tribes to make that decision, not the gov.

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  • LadyGrayhair
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    I am a member of the Winnebago tribe in Nebraska. I hear what you are saying. I an registered under my father, beingI am 1/2 Winnebago, 1/4Omaha Souix and 1/4 french. My children are 1/4 Winnebago and can be registered with our tribe on their own but just barely. If they were of lesser blood quantum they would have to request to become a member-request to 'be adopted 'into the tribe. I feel for our people we are going into extinction.I am heart sick that most of our langauges are dying out too.

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  • lleguabronca
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    As a born and raised white woman I seriously believe that the whites don't have any say in this topic, including me. Although I am quite sure there a lot of them that have an opinion. It's a shame that this type of conversation HAS TO BE. My gramma was Lakota but I don't claim to be a Native American because I was raised white and whiter than a glass o' milk. I am thankful for the Native American people and have hope for the cultures and languages of the First People of this country. This topic should be the least on the list if I may say so respectfully. With all my heart keep going and don't stop!

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  • gramma de
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    my brother who was almost a full blood and me -half( we had different fathers) talked about this many times, and our grandchildren cannot be enrolled because they are less than 1/4.Our mother and all before her were full bloods and in two generations our family will no longer be able to be considered members of the tribe. Its sad but thats the way it is, and unless our children marry or have children from a member of Standing Rock we will cease to exist on the enrollment records.

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  • IyanHoks'ila
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    Always an interesting topic, blood quantum is paper genocide to put it lightly, originally it was implemented to curb non-tribal persons from marring tribal persons and overtaking their land. But on a underlying level, it probably was known that, as is stated, soon no one will be eligible for enrollment. Like for myself as an example, I'm enrolled with the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, but my mother is enrolled with Oglala Sioux Tribe, so her 'blood' does not count toward my blood degree. Too, my grandfather's grandparent were of Comanche and Chiricarua Apache decent from the Indian Territory days, I do have French and German ancestors as well, so I know I'm not totally 'full-blood'. But in my area, how tribes are dealing with this is by openning their enrollment rules, as for Oglala Sioux Tribe the past election a law was changed by the people's vote to open enrollment to any person born to an OST member regardless of blood degree, and I know that Rosebud Sioux Tribe allows for a person to be enrolled if one parent and one grandparent is enrolled. So their is hope, I do look forward to the day when tribes will be grant citizenship rather then enrollment, that will be a day when true tribal sovereignty is in full effect. Ah-ho heccetu yelo...

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  • WhoMe
    started a topic Blood Quantum. Good or Bad?

    Blood Quantum. Good or Bad?

    A friend and I were just talking about how many tribes use blood quantum to determine their membership. She said, "tribes that do this are setting themselves up for extinction." Eventually intermarriage will wipe fixed blood quantum out.

    I totally agree with her because under the current blood quantum of my tribal membership, my future grandchildren will not qualify to be members. And this concerns me....

    She said her tribe recently opened up their membership for new members including new babies, people who moved out of state etc. In order to become a member each person seeking enrollment had to answer, historical, cultural and family questions that pertained to their tribe's identity. (For new borns, their parents were asked).

    It was this tribes belief that if they were connected to their community roots, they would know the answers to their questions. Individuals who moved away and did not maintain any connection to their tribal community were not able to answer the questions and refused membership - regardless of blood quantum.

    WOW!!!


    Is this an idea of the future that more tribe's should adopt?

    Will blood quantum, if maintained, make tribes extinct???? Should blood quantum, as the principle criteria for membership, be abandoned?

    For those of you who are not Cherokee, where is this current criteria going to put your future great, grandchildren???


    Whatcha' think?
    Last edited by WhoMe; 09-05-2010, 02:32 PM.

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