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  • #46
    [QUOTE=Desiree]someone posted about the effect it has on your eyes. i am going blind in one eye. i used to have 20/10 vision now i cant see the first hour i wake. Does anyone know if you can loose your sight completly from diabetes?[/QUO

    yes, diabetes can lead to blindness

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    • #47
      There is a new program in Indian Country right now called the "Diabetes Prevention Program." The sites that competed and received the grant are in their first year of implementation. The program is based on a nationwide clinical study that showed that diabetes could be prevented in people 18 years and older that were "pre-diabetic." I work for that program at my service unit. I can give out some more information if anyone is interested, such as listing some of the areas that have the grant program, how you qualify for participation, what the program does and how it works, etc. We are getting ready to start our own program next month and have been working on the marketing, recruitment, and getting our staff hired.

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      • #48
        Yes please send me some info.My mom has daibetes.I know it runs in the family .I would like to prevent my kids from getting it.Any info you send will be apprecaited.
        Last edited by butterflynwind; 01-17-2006, 08:31 PM.

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        • #49
          Why should we pretend to be stupid?

          "I assume its an acronym for something in your arsenal of complex educated registered dietician experience that you are trying to convey but I'm sorry to say: I don't know what the hell your talking about. Does anyone else?"


          One observation I have made in my 30 years on this planet (with maybe 12 years spent on a rez) is that there seems to be a tendancy among us to make other ingins feel ashamed to be too highly educated or too scientific or for using "big" words. There is always one who will say someone is trying to be white. We speak english so what is wrong with mastering the language. Somethings can only be described with complex words. On my rez this attitude was so bad that I would find myself pretending I didn't know things in order to not sound like a "know it all".

          This attidude among us will serve no purpose other than too hold our people back. We should embrace our knowledge rather than make each other feel shame for it. After all our people were great scientists and astronomers 1000's of years before the white man even knew the earth was round. We knew the exact lenth of time it took the earth to revolve around the sun right down to a one hundred thousandth of a day while the current gregorian calender is still very inaccurate. Over a thousand years ago most of us knew the layout of the solar system. The white man just this decade discovered one of the planets on our ancient intricately carved stone charts.

          Somewhere down the line white men have beat the idea into our heads that they are more advanced than us "stupid" indians and some of us have bought into it.

          Now I am going to be posting some things on here and at the cost of "trying to sound white" I will not be finding simple words to replace the words that most easily get the information across. I do not assume that my people will not understand what intricately or molecular structure means.
          I am going to be talking about wild plants and it does not mean I am trying to be a medicine man either.

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          • #50
            weelll, in my family we have no one who has diabetes - but two of my sisters' had gestational diabetes while pregnant. followed the diet and did not get diabetes afterwards. i always go get "tested" for diabetes and try to live healthy but those nachos and chicken wings keep callin ... lol. i don't drink as much pop as i used to and now have made a decision not to drink it anymore.

            we watched "super size me" with the kids and now they don't like going out to eat as much as they used to ... we're down to once or twice a month as opposed to twice a week or more. but my spouse does still like to supersize and eat out alot at work ... i don't pick up fast food for him anymore - subs with no mayo, no fries - caesar or tossed salad instead, no pop - when he asks me to pick him up something. i pack a lunch but he seems to have trouble with time management - lol - can't seem to plan head enough to pack his lunch.

            but as for my spouse's family who live in the US (we live in canada) - all his siblings have diabetes, his mother has it and his father died of diabetes complications (he lost limbs, fingers, toes, etc.). and he has said to me on numerous occasions - if i lived in the US - "i'd probably have diabetes right now if i still lived at home."

            when we go down for visits i can see a marked difference in the dinner menus - pop everywhere, fried this and that, fry bread galore and lil debbie cakes in every corner. on our last visit - we were down for two weeks - we both gained ten pounds!! the drive up windows everywhere don't help either - you don't even have to get out of car for anything!!

            education is key - if you don't know what to do, how can you do it? my hubby is always talkin to his sister bought how to eat better and they take his advice. they are getting better - they have lost weight, etc.

            but what irks me is people who have diabetes and try use it as an excuse. i can't work - i have diabetes. i can't wait in line - i have diabetes. or don't follow their doctors advice and continue on eating bags of chips and bottles of pop. meanwhile their mothers are more or less stumps (no limps) with gangrene on their backs from bed sores, dying. or constantly being hauled off by the emt's becuz they didn't watch their sugar levels/insulin ...
            Last edited by chazziff; 01-19-2006, 11:01 AM. Reason: fat fingers .. lol
            Watch your broken dreams...
            Dance in and out of the beams of a neon moon

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            • #51
              NDN cure for cancer will likely work for diabetes too

              To anyone who may already have read this I apologize but this is likely important information for people dealing with diabetes as well as cancer. I will also post this in a new thread so as to not distract from the original topic here.

              One of the alternative medicines I hear very little about - are our own. One NDN cancer medicine is more widely spoken of and believed effective by whitemen across the ocean - than by our own people. It was made famous by a Canadian nurse named Renee Caisse. Though this medicine cured many terminally ill patients she spent most of her career under constant threat of having her license revoked and being charged for malpractice.

              The medicine I am speaking of was one that was known by many medicine men. They debated whether they should share this medine with the caucasians. Some worried that the whiteman would try to keep it from us and only give it to rich white people. (Some may say it has happened.)

              One of these medicine men followed a dream instructing him to share the ingredients with this one white person. Ironically knowledge of the medicine may have disappeared like so many others if he didn't follow his dream.

              She struggled all her life to have the government acknowledge the positive results in treating cancer. If it were not for an outpouring of public support many say she would have been imprisoned for continuing to administer the medicine without the consent of the government.
              You see the government did not and still does not want a cure that cannot be patented. As it stands the most effective patented drugs they have so far are so expensive only the elite can afford it.

              Now one of the most effective natural cures grows everywhere and is free. But for some reason NDNs seem to have lost trust in our own medicines.

              Maybe if white scientists do studies to prove our medicines are effective then NDNs will start to use them again. If that is the case I will write a few of the things white scientists have discovered about the plants contained in the medicine. (Like some plants, these contain no harmful properties.)

              Burdock root (encylopedia dubs this as one of the worst weeds in North America)
              - strengthens vital organs
              - eliminates free radicals
              - balances blood sugar

              inner Slippery Elm bark
              - eliminates acids
              - removes toxins from liver and kidneys
              - soothes asthma

              Sheep Sorrel
              - strengthens glands
              - good for nerves and intestines
              - cleans blood

              Indian Rhubarb root
              - detoxifies liver
              - oxygenates the blood
              - anti-tumour properties

              Now I could include a bunch of links to companies that sell the medicine but I am not trying to promote them because they sell at pretty high prices.
              These plants grow everywhere in fact the main ingredient cannot be stopped from growing. It's toxin nuetralizing power is so much that the government plants it in soil contaminated with radiation. It is considered a delicacy in Asian countries.
              If there actually was a food shortage in the world it could be one of the crops grown to feed the world. The roots grow up to six pounds and can be grown in poor soil.

              Do not underestimate the power of nature or prayers. One of the cures people have prayed for has been here all this time (being sprayed with Round-Up).

              Inner-city children drinking lead tainted water

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              • #52
                My mom has diabetes and she is one of the few people I know that adhere to her medical regimen (meaning she monitors her blood sugar daily, knows what to eat, how to eat, understands the diabetic "exchanges", what her "free" foods are, and tries to exercise regularly). I asked her why she could follow her regimen so well when so many people with diabetes struggle with it. She told me that she had to go to 3 different nutrition classes before she finally understood what they were talking about when it came to counting carbs and understanding why. But she really had to shop around for a class, had to do alot the research on her own, the dietician she was first referred to did not give her the information she needed in a way that she could understand it.

                I think that's a big reason why many people have a hard time following their regimen, even when they start suffering complications. Education is a big key, plus understanding that you have to find something that clicks and that will work for the individual because everyone is different.

                Anyway, I haven't been able to post the information about the Diabetes PRevention Program because I haven't been able to type up something that I can post to deliver the info. But here are the main points.

                The DPP is for Indians, 18 years and older, who have been diagnosed with "pre-diabetes". If you ask your doctor, they will say you either have Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) or Impaired Glucose Tolerance (IGT). Both conditions mean you have an elevated blood sugar level which is not healthy, but not high enough for you to be diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes (which clinicians will abbreviate as DM 2 - Diabetes Mellitus 2). BUT this also means you are at a stage where you can PREVENT getting Type 2 Diabetes.

                To be eligible for the program you have to be 18 years or older and diagnosed with IFG or IGT. If you're not sure if you should be tested, then take the ADA Risk Test, and if you're score is high enough, your doctor should test you. The Risk Test asks questions such as did you give birth to a baby that was 9 lbs or more, did you have gestational diabetes, does your parents or siblings have diabetes, are you overweight, are you over 65 years of age, are you 35 or over AND sedentary, etc.

                The DPP program will provide a 16 week class, meeting once a week, that provides education on healthy eating, learning how to be more active, and behavior change. It also provided individual coaching to help you reach the program goals, which are:
                1 - Lose 7% of your total body weight and maintain that weight loss
                2 - exercise 150 minutes per week.

                Ask your local IHS or tribal health center if they know about the DPP and if they have that grant in their area. I'll try and post later some of the areas that have the grant. I know right now off the top of my head some of the areas that have the grant: Cheyenne River, Rapid City, Pine Ridge, Rocky Boy, Menominee WI, Winnebago NE, Gnome Alaska, Tuba City, Zuni, Gila River, Salt River (I think), Lawton OK, Lawrence KS, Tama IA, Turtle Mountain, several places in CA. I'll check my books again to see what other places have it.

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                • #53
                  diabeties is definetly a problem now a days people are being diagnosed younger and younger now i have diabeties and im 21, now my 3 yr old was just diagnosed with juvenial diabeties

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                  • #54
                    My wife is researching the link between immunizations and Diabetes.
                    How many of you or your family that have Diabetes were immunized?

                    FWIW, i was immunized and have Diabetes type 2. My 3 older children were immunized and all three have problems ranging from pre-diabetic, seizures, ADD, and ADHD,etc.
                    My younger 2 I never got vaccinated and they are thriving.

                    My wife visited a Diabetes convention in St. Paul and of the 200+ people there with Diabetes, ALL had been immunized/vaccinated.

                    Something to think about, anyways.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by clm
                      diabeties is definetly a problem now a days people are being diagnosed younger and younger now i have diabeties and im 21, now my 3 yr old was just diagnosed with juvenial diabeties
                      Wow...that is something...however, the two types of diabetes are unrelated.

                      You likely have Type 2 diabetes mellitus, which can be ameliorated with lifestyle changes (though not cured ) such as diet and exercise; your son/daughter has Type 1 diabetes, which is an absolutely insulin-dependent scenario, and could not have been prevented with lifestyle changes (as can Type 2 DM).


                      Best of luck to you.

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                      • #56
                        I thought I would post a link for you to read.
                        Link Between Diabetes and Immunizations
                        I found it to be very interesting and good read. Defiitely has answers to give the nurse or doctor if they try to pressure you into vaccinating without getting all the information.

                        As Native Peoples we have done just fine before the White Man came with his shots, okay, that was only like 65 years ago, but, still, we did great. We had almost zero infant mortality rate. Just check with Archeologists on the number of infant skeletons found compared to adult skeletons.
                        The Earth really does hold the memories of our ancestors.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by LoneWolfBunn

                          One of the alternative medicines I hear very little about - are our own.
                          Don't forget BearRoot. It is only found in one place. I still have some that was handed down to me from my grandfather.
                          It is still good!
                          I feel sad that we have lost so much of our medicinal knowledge. Even the fact that we knew how to naturally preserve medications. There are theories that show there has always been a trade route for drugs.
                          I know, as a parent, that I would be willing to walk 1000 miles to get medicine for my family.

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                          • #58


                            Right on the package insert for the MMR, it says that one of the adverse reactions is diabetes mellitus, also known as diabetes type 1 and diabetes type 2.

                            ADVERSE REACTIONS
                            The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality,
                            within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed
                            vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:
                            M-M-R® II (Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live) 9265208
                            7
                            Body as a Whole
                            Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.
                            Cardiovascular System
                            Vasculitis.
                            Digestive System
                            Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea.
                            Endocrine System
                            Diabetes mellitus.
                            Hemic and Lymphatic System
                            Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy;
                            leukocytosis.
                            Immune System
                            Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as
                            angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or
                            without an allergic history.
                            Musculoskeletal System
                            Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia.
                            Arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), and polyneuritis are features of natural
                            rubella and vary in frequency and severity with age and sex, being greatest in adult females and least in
                            prepubertal children. This type of involvement as well as myalgia and paresthesia, have also been
                            reported following administration of MERUVAX II.

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                            • #59
                              This is a very interesting thread...

                              I had gestational diabetes for two of my pregnancies, and didn't develop T2DM till my last baby was almost 2 yrs old. I've had it now for 9 yrs. My father's family has had a long history of diabetes, almost all the women died of complications before they reached their mid fifties, as a result of the lifestyles they led, inactivity, poor diet and alcohol. The stress they inflicted on their bodies from lifestyle and diabetes resulted in heart conditions, high blood pressure and ultimately death.

                              When I was first diagnosed, I had no symptoms... but my sugar levels were 37 - (I don't know what that is in the states, I think 390!), and was hospitalized feeling great. It took a couple weeks to bring it down, but I have a great family physician who monitors me like a hawk. Tonnes of consultation with the Dietitian at the hospital so my i have learned too to be a label reader. I have increased my activity level and decreased my food intake.

                              My own personal opinion on why diabetes has become such an epidemic in ndn country is that food is too accessible. Way back when, our people were in situations where it was feast or famine. Our bodies were genetically coded for this type of lifestyle. We feasted as a community during times when there was food available and our bodies learned to store the excess because there would be other times, when food was scarce. our bodies learned to conserve. So now, in this day in age, when food is easily/readily available, and we store it all, because we no longer have to wait a lengthy time between meals, and are not expending the energy to chase down our next meal. This results in "us" not being able to adequately process the carbs, affecting insulin levels, and presto.. we got diabetes.

                              I ain't no expert, just my opinion, so be nice.. lmao
                              "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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                              • #60
                                Come on gang... I'm starting to feel like a thread killer!!!
                                "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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