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  • #46
    Originally posted by ac_miss View Post
    I know lapband surgery has been talked about among my siblings and myself. My oldest brother would do it if he could, but our health insurance is pretty peculiar on who can get approved for this operation.
    i havent even bothered checking with my insurance. so far my blood pressure is controlled by medication. but my back, and everywhere else sure hurts.
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    "Life is too short to not take the time to laugh” ~AME~
    "Who can afford NOT to laugh at themselves?" ~AME~
    "I laugh the most when i laugh at myself!” ~AME~
    "Laughter is'nt really "the best medicine"...it’s the CURE!” ~AME~
    "Give me a good laugh,... and i will give you my world!” ~AME~

    **laughin**

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    • #47
      Originally posted by APACHEFIRE View Post
      i havent even bothered checking with my insurance. so far my blood pressure is controlled by medication. but my back, and everywhere else sure hurts.
      Our employer uses AETNA, but they have strict guidelines. If you have Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS), they help pay for it, too.

      I got HBP when I was pregnant with my daughter. Every since, I have had high blood pressure, and it's controlled through medication. I wish someday I could kick it altogether.
      Bead All You Can Bead

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      • #48
        My friend hasn't had her surgery yet...one complication after another. I really don't know if she can stick with it.

        I hate to imagine her going thru all that, only to gain all the weight back, and then some...but it happens all too often!
        ...it is what it is...

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        • #49
          so far i have worked off several pounds...just by being more active, eating less, and drinking lots of h2o. i sure hope i can get this done without having to go under the knife.
          Last edited by APACHEFIRE; 12-20-2011, 07:13 AM.
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          "Life is too short to not take the time to laugh” ~AME~
          "Who can afford NOT to laugh at themselves?" ~AME~
          "I laugh the most when i laugh at myself!” ~AME~
          "Laughter is'nt really "the best medicine"...it’s the CURE!” ~AME~
          "Give me a good laugh,... and i will give you my world!” ~AME~

          **laughin**

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          • #50
            YES, you can do it...and not by such drastic measures.

            Drinking enough water is important, and make sure you get enough calcium.

            Eating less is not key, but eating less carbs IS. You need to get enough protein so you don't lose muscle mass, and enough good fat to keep you healthy.
            ...it is what it is...

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            • #51
              are almonds, sunflower seeds, or pumpkin nuts good fats?
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              "Life is too short to not take the time to laugh” ~AME~
              "Who can afford NOT to laugh at themselves?" ~AME~
              "I laugh the most when i laugh at myself!” ~AME~
              "Laughter is'nt really "the best medicine"...it’s the CURE!” ~AME~
              "Give me a good laugh,... and i will give you my world!” ~AME~

              **laughin**

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              • #52
                Originally posted by APACHEFIRE View Post
                are almonds, sunflower seeds, or pumpkin nuts good fats?
                Here'sa blurb on them AF...google oil seeds and nuts for more info... hth

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_(fruit)
                A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. — Robert A. Heinlein

                I can see the wheel turning but the Hamster appears to be dead.

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                • #53
                  Yes, those are good for you.

                  Please study up on oils and don't believe all the hype about canola or soy oils...those are BAD for you, as are all trans-fats.

                  Coconut oil is best for frying. Olive oil is great for everything else. Butter and other animal fats are not bad for you in moderation. Nut oils (except peanut oil which comes from a legume) are good too, but pretty pricey.

                  Omega 3's are very important in your diet.



                  Here's a good link on why fat is important in the diet:
                  ...it is what it is...

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                  • #54
                    Thank you! i believe i will continue to eat the way i have been.....some days one or another if these nuts (sunflower, pumpkin, almonds, pine,). I am allergic to walnuts.

                    dried cranberries....fresh apples, oranges, grapes, pineapples, strawberries (i buy those packages of mixed cut up fruits they have for parties).

                    mostly..broccoli, cauliflower (frozen with no sauce)
                    fresh cabbage, mixed greens, lettuce, tomatoes, onions, cilantro, with a few days of potatoes, yams, or celery.

                    lots of hamburger dill pickle slices (love to snack on em)
                    whole eggs or the kind without the yolk.

                    frozen cooked chicken strips and frozen cooked beef strips.
                    mostly green salsas.

                    corn tortillas or english muffins.

                    these are the main ingredients of my meals...some of this some of that.
                    sometimes real butter, or cheese.

                    and always at least a gallon of water in 24hrs.
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                    "Life is too short to not take the time to laugh” ~AME~
                    "Who can afford NOT to laugh at themselves?" ~AME~
                    "I laugh the most when i laugh at myself!” ~AME~
                    "Laughter is'nt really "the best medicine"...it’s the CURE!” ~AME~
                    "Give me a good laugh,... and i will give you my world!” ~AME~

                    **laughin**

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by APACHEFIRE View Post
                      so, CP…did you get that operation?
                      because of a fluke fall back in 2002, i was no longer able to hike, bike, exercise with my weights or do any of the things i really enjoyed. i jolted my whole spine and have pinched nerves all over my body along with nerve damage, so i am pretty much in constant pain. the complications from a broken ankle also left me with added problems. including a recent surgery this year (may) to remove the hardware from my ankle. the long and the short of it, i have gained so much weight, no matter that i keep my carbs low, never eat processed sugar, etc. i was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 1994 and had it under control prior to my fall.

                      with that fall, all hell broke lose. that is why i am interested to hear if you got that surgery done. i can feel the complications of diabetes breathing down my neck. i do not have the resorces to pay for the surgery, but the insurance may pay for it.
                      *L* I don't think I weigh enough to get that done. I was just posting the thread b/c it was on Good Morning America that morning and thought it would be a good topic since it effects natives so much. I am diabetic and I have to admit that I get peeved when I see people bigger than me that don't have it. Especially b/c I drink the diet sodas, watch what I eat, (don't exercise much b/c I chase a 3 year old around all evening. *L*) and yet I still have diabetes. It's frustrating.
                      But....whatever. *L*



                      Mussy by birth.....Native by the Grace of God.......


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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by CandaePrincess View Post
                        *L* I don't think I weigh enough to get that done. I was just posting the thread b/c it was on Good Morning America that morning and thought it would be a good topic since it effects natives so much. I am diabetic and I have to admit that I get peeved when I see people bigger than me that don't have it. Especially b/c I drink the diet sodas, watch what I eat, (don't exercise much b/c I chase a 3 year old around all evening. *L*) and yet I still have diabetes. It's frustrating.
                        But....whatever. *L*
                        yeah.....when i was first diagnosed..i was pretty athletic and in shape. I didnt eat junk and i did perrie water. NO BODY ELSE in my immediate family has it either! i have been losing some weight doing pool physical therapy twice a week. i also see some strengthening too. so i am keeping up with it for as long as possible.
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                        "Life is too short to not take the time to laugh” ~AME~
                        "Who can afford NOT to laugh at themselves?" ~AME~
                        "I laugh the most when i laugh at myself!” ~AME~
                        "Laughter is'nt really "the best medicine"...it’s the CURE!” ~AME~
                        "Give me a good laugh,... and i will give you my world!” ~AME~

                        **laughin**

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                        • #57
                          [MENTION=15954]CandaePrincess[/MENTION]: You'd be mad at me then! I am very overweight, but don't have diabetes. Most of my family has it, except my little brother. In fact my dad suffered with severe symptoms for many years.

                          I attribute that fact, and my great cholesterol profile, to eating low carb (most of the time) for the past 7 years, and some GOOD LUCK. I know my luck can't hold out, so I need to get serious about losing weight.

                          [MENTION=15110]APACHEFIRE[/MENTION]: Your food choices look pretty good, with just a few exceptions, if you don't mind me saying.

                          Any dried fruits have a LOT of sugar in them, as does pineapple. Apple and oranges have a moderate amount...too much for a diabetic, I would say. Better choices are strawberries, and most other fresh berries, and most melons.

                          Potatoes and yams are pure starch = carbohydrates = sugar. I put turnips and peeled radishes in with our roast beef yesterday, and nobody noticed there were no potatoes in there.

                          Corn tortillas and english muffins are not only loaded with carbs, but trans-fats as well. An occasional corn tortilla is probably ok, especially if it's made with lard.

                          Mission brand makes some awesome low carb flour tortillas, even whole wheat ones. They have trans-fats, but are great for enchiladas or tacos.

                          @myself: why is it that I can preach about it, and eat right most of the day, then fall off the wagon...WAY OFF!!??!!
                          ...it is what it is...

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by [MENTION=4752
                            wyo_rose[/MENTION];1505429]APACHEFIRE Your food choices look pretty good, with just a few exceptions, if you don't mind me saying.

                            Any dried fruits have a LOT of sugar in them, as does pineapple. Apple and oranges have a moderate amount...too much for a diabetic, I would say. Better choices are strawberries, and most other fresh berries, and most melons.

                            Potatoes and yams are pure starch = carbohydrates = sugar. I put turnips and peeled radishes in with our roast beef yesterday, and nobody noticed there were no potatoes in there.

                            Corn tortillas and english muffins are not only loaded with carbs, but trans-fats as well. An occasional corn tortilla is probably ok, especially if it's made with lard.

                            Mission brand makes some awesome low carb flour tortillas, even whole wheat ones. They have trans-fats, but are great for enchiladas or tacos.

                            @myself: why is it that I can preach about it, and eat right most of the day, then fall off the wagon...WAY OFF!!??!!
                            YEAH, i dont eat all that much dried fruit, except for when i need a fast sugar snack. I acutally have been having problems with sugars dropping too low. its when ever i do exercise, housework or go out shopping. otherwise they stay fairly “average”. my problem the nurse says, is that i dont eat enough carbs. **laughin** so thats why i eat the potatoes now and then, corn tortillas or bread. my protiens are good, veggies, fruits. i just have to carry those fiber bars or dried fruit with me and snack just before i workout. i forgot to mention i am at the PT for 4 hours, and i really need to snack every two.
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                            "Life is too short to not take the time to laugh” ~AME~
                            "Who can afford NOT to laugh at themselves?" ~AME~
                            "I laugh the most when i laugh at myself!” ~AME~
                            "Laughter is'nt really "the best medicine"...it’s the CURE!” ~AME~
                            "Give me a good laugh,... and i will give you my world!” ~AME~

                            **laughin**

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                            • #59
                              This is old news, medicare already covers it, and there's reasons why people aren't jumping on the bandwagon.

                              I have known of two people dying from gastric bypass surgery very recently and within a week of each other and several who have had serious complications. This is major surgery that simply replaces your stomach with a piece of intestine, making a smaller pouch to hold food. This makes you feel fuller faster, but can be stretched out and not have as good blood supply as it should. A special baby food type diet is pretty much what you are stuck to. Only the jejunal bypass surgery will work.

                              I know all this because I have severe, probably terminal, steatohepatitis with some autoimmune complications. I meet not one, but three serious health issues that would make such surgery a "supposed" solution for me. I do not qualify based on obesity, but health.

                              The problem that I have with my type2 diabetes, which is genetic in my family, is that we have a problem metabolizing a western carb rich, fat rich diet. This is reality. Following traditions about not beeing greedy with sweets is somthing that is also lost pretty much in America.

                              In people like me diabetes is caused by insulin resistance , glycogen storage problems in the liver, coupled with malabsorption issues, which cause some mild malnutrition--especially with certain fat soluable vitamins. All of these conditions can be better rectified with diet.

                              My mother in law said this was common, it comes from a past of feast then famine eating. The liver is actually causing the diabetes rather than the pancreas. Doctors are investigating more what exactly causes diabetes in different people and find that diabetes is different in different people. Its important to know what causes it and be treated with proper medications. Diabetes is often secondary to other problems like slow thyroid or pituary, autoimmune problems, and liver problems.

                              I take Ursodiol, Metformin, vitamin A and some others just for general health, and pancreatic enzymes with each meal to support my overburdened pancreas from the times I do "blow it" on my diet. On lean buffalo, symptoms are alleviated and I lose weight, and get tremendous healing from returning to a more traditional diet of lean buffalo meat--this is key--properly cooked and raw vegetables and fruits in moderation I think of my motherinlaw scolding me for gluttony and making me eat alone, corn and native grains. Since I'm on meds that destroy the good gut bacteria, I use greek yogurt as my icecream substitute with a spoonful of polaner just fruit jam. the lactic acid of the organic yogurt flushes toxins from the liver and restores good bacteria. I don't care for probiotic yogurt, much of which is boiled anyway, but it is said to be as good as lactulose in one study, a milk based drug used to fight liver toxicity in liver patients.

                              After you have a gastric bypass you can expect to not be able to eat what you want. A hamburger can kill you. You may still be hungry, continually nauseas, have other gi problems, and there are more serious complications including death during surgery, which is how my two net friends died. Its not just a quick fix unfortunately.

                              I have been told by several doctors who know my situation and care that I am enjoying a better quality of life and health taking care of myself than I would doing this. If your doctor isn't up on the latest for type II, this is something that should be fixed, there is treatment, the docs are usually too lazy or just don't know.

                              I hate to sound negative but it is really scary stuff they do in that surgery.

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