Lumbee's Stealing Another Tribal Identity

[FancyStar]

Group accuses Lumbee Tribe of stealing heritage
Thursday, April 15, 2004

A group calling themselves the Siouan Indians says the Lumbee Tribe is stealing their heritage.

The Lumbee Tribe claims descent from the historic Cheraw Tribe, a Siouan group. A woman of Siouan ancestry says that claim is wrong but a Lumbee spokesperson said the groups are all related.

The Lumbee Tribe is seeking federal recognition through Congress. The tribe is currently barred from going through the Bureau of Indian Affairs process due to a unique termination-era law.

Get the Story:

Lumbee Tribe faces new front in recognition battle (The Native American Times 4/14)

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[Blackbear]

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/showthread.php?t=19088

here's more on that Fancystar....

[hidatsawmn26]

hmm dunno how to respond on this one....i was told lumbees are a mix of black white and native...and then by one of my friends he says lumbees and as the same as cherokees arent really native....to me yay they have that blood in them but i seriously dunno how to respond just yet maybe i need to read the article more to make a serious response...

[hidatsawmn26]

response

okay i read the article....the siouan and the lumbee are exactly not the same....two different cultures and 2 different languages etc... lumbees are of eastern nation to find proof look at the family tree...the siouan is at the trunk of the tree and nations like mandan, eastern blackfoot (notice i didnt say blackfeet which is part of the sioux tree ...totally different) hidatsa arikara etc... there was a person on eastern blackfoot webstie who posted a pic of the siouan family tree...and i know that the lumbee arent listed on that tree...so i agree the lumbees who are claiming to be of that family tree don't got their fact straight and are stealing in a way...when i find that picture of the tree that was drawn i'll post it unless someone does it before me...

[hidatsawmn26]

wait a minute i miss something didnt i ? they claim to be cheraw(sp?)...thats something im gonna look over...im not too familiar with the lumbee...lemme see if i can find some stuff over the internet and try to connect and see if theres any relation at all with the lumbee and the cheraw(sp?)

[hidatsawmn26]

aight...heres a website on the only thing i can find on cheraw...check it out..

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/siouan/cherawhist.htm

[luvlumbee]

This subject never ceases to amaze me. FancyStar after all these yrs. this still is your favorite thing to talk about huh? LOL! All I can do is laugh. I never really respond to these threads unless they are positive. I am not into convincing someone something that they have no interest in believing other then what they want to. Blackbear, I know this is one of your favorite subjects too! Good/Bad. Sounds like your becoming an expert on the lumbee tribe. You can take it however you want but, truly--I dont mean it offensively. Just gets under the skin a little. So interesting to see how people think. Go ahead lets continue pondering.....



Do I sense a little ethnocentricity about to occur???? Hmmm. Im sorry. Continue.....

[superndngyrl]

Do I sense a little ethnocentricity about to occur???? Hmmm. Im sorry. Continue.....

u mean there was a time when it didn't?

[FancyStar]

[QUOTE=luvlumbee]This subject never ceases to amaze me. FancyStar after all these yrs. this still is your favorite thing to talk about huh? LOL! All I can do is laugh. [QUOTE]

LOL, yes I have so little in my life that this is what I have been spending my every waking momnet thinking of. Yeah between, work,kids,sewing,pow-wows,T-Ball, dance classes,beading and school this is the important issue for me!

I thought this was an interesting article because it would impede the recognition that Lumbees are so desperately seeking. Whether I haev anything against the Lumbees or not isn't the point here. Smokin' Ace is always keeping the world uptodate on the Great Lumbee Debate and I was just trying to add what info I have found on the web.

Excuse me now while I get back to my life of nothing to do but hold my breath for the Lumbees! LOL

[lumbeedancer]

Hidatsawmn26!

I think you've misread what the article is saying. Those persons contesting us are members of our tribe right here in NC (go to the link Blackbear provided for some more clarity on this subject).

Lumbees are'nt trying to claim that we are siouan as in Lakota, Nakota, Dakota, etc...

Siouan is a very generic term describing the type of language certain tribes spoke, it's merely a linguistic classification, not a particular tribal affiliation.

There are two large pockets of Siouan speaking Indians in the Unites States. One is on the Northern plains (those in the tree you looked at) and the other is in the Piedmont region of Va, NC, and SC. Lumbees are predominantly descended from an admixture of tribes in that second pocket, principally the Cheraw and Keyauwee.

[tradish_wiyan]

:dontknow: :seenoevil

I have no comment, I don't know of any lumbee's or their situation

[Blackbear]

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[QUOTE=luvlumbee] Blackbear, I know this is one of your favorite subjects too! Good/Bad. Sounds like your becoming an expert on the lumbee tribe. You can take it however you want but, truly--I dont mean it offensively. Just gets under the skin a little. So interesting to see how people think. Go ahead lets continue pondering.....

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I'm not sure what you mean.. I'm not trying to become an expert on the Lumbee...but when these opposing groups pop up telling my people we are one and the same and calling themselves tuscarora "nation" then I set out to learn more.

I don't have a problem with Lumbees at all other than ya'll get so touchy touchy sometimes LOL... jumping the gun ready to kick *** and not even sure if it was something meant to be offensive..LOL!

When I originally posted this article it was because I wanted opinions, and because there are lumbee here and it's something to discuss. Should Lumbee be taboo and exempt from discussion?? I did'nt post it to say.. oh the lumbee are stealing identity shame shame.. I know better than that. I know who these groups are. I've argued with them and debated with them and told them to give it up and be proud they are lumbee.

I would'nt say I'm offended by your statement... just confused by it.

[Badmutha]

Should Lumbee be taboo and exempt from discussion??

Apparently it is if you're Cherokee. In fact just attempting to address the issue, even in a civil manner, or even offering critiques of someone who happens to be Lumbee gets you branded a "Hater."

:dontknow:

[CandaePrincess]

I really don't understand the concept of the Lumbee tribe. I was always told that they were not a tribe and they have been fighting for years for Federal Recognition to no avail. I really don't think it's the fact that one is Lumbee or Cherokee, there are some very recognizable Cherokees in Oklahoma as well as North Carolina, however, these different bands that keep coming out with no backing of past, no rolls, no identity of their own.....those are the ones we as native people question. Everyone "thinks" natives have it made, with so called "health care" and thinking we get money and really have it going goo. Therefore, seeing hobbiests and wannabe crystal wearers and whites in pocohontas looking clothes (with those goofy plastic beads on the fringe and trust us....we can also spot fake feathers a mile away)....really turns us off and makes us leary of people who can't claim their heritage. I feel that this is where the problem first began.....This is just my opinion. What do you other natives think???

[hidatsawmn26]

I think you've misread what the article is saying. Those persons contesting us are members of our tribe right here in NC (go to the link Blackbear provided for some more clarity on this subject).

Lumbees are'nt trying to claim that we are siouan as in Lakota, Nakota, Dakota, etc...

Siouan is a very generic term describing the type of language certain tribes spoke, it's merely a linguistic classification, not a particular tribal affiliation.

There are two large pockets of Siouan speaking Indians in the Unites States. One is on the Northern plains (those in the tree you looked at) and the other is in the Piedmont region of Va, NC, and SC. Lumbees are predominantly descended from an admixture of tribes in that second pocket, principally the Cheraw and Keyauwee.

the lakota arent part of that siouan tree their part of the sioux tree... i just found out that the lumbees are part Cheraw...yay i know siouan isnt a tribe i wasnt specifying as that...