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  • NDNQt
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    She's the mama - alot of times she isn't even there. It could be another booth though - there are several Lumbee food booths.

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  • Blackbear
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    OK... but it had a couple guys working it.. not gals LOL

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  • NDNQt
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    Hey BB, that was probably Ms. Dosha's booth - she stays in Baltimore and has a food booth at lots of powwows.

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  • []FlyByNyte[]
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    Originally posted by Blackbear
    Any of the lums going to the Thunder falls powwow in July? I saw a Lumbee strawberry and frybread stand at the Salamanca powwow a few years ago but don't know who they were.
    MMMMMmmmm strawberries.... there are some huge stawberry patches down the rd from my parents house....

    dang i miss home
    Last edited by []FlyByNyte[]; 05-17-2005, 09:09 AM.

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  • Ohontsia
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    Originally posted by WhoMe
    I just talked to my 'bro in Albuquerque. I told him that this is one powwow he HAS to plan on coming to next year. (My 'bro is single! ) *L
    Am I reading this right or are you trying to fix me up with your bro????!!! j/k WhoMe, you're a card...just cracked me up on a pretty crappy work day though!!!
    Last edited by La + * Mom; 05-16-2005, 02:40 PM.

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  • NDNQt
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    Ohontsia, That would have been my cousins the Dimalanta's in Philly. Yes, they are Lumbee. I am not sure but there may have been other Lums in that area. FancyFingers can answer that part.

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  • Blackbear
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    Any of the lums going to the Thunder falls powwow in July? I saw a Lumbee strawberry and frybread stand at the Salamanca powwow a few years ago but don't know who they were.

    OH and just out of curiosity.. is there a lumbee indian word for cotton that you guys are aware of?

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  • WhoMe
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    Originally posted by Ohontsia
    ...and I thought these tribes were amongst the people the physically disappeared down south-!!!-j/k. . . .

    Ohontsia,

    Having travelled all my life throughout Indian Country, I do want to comment on how nice looking the Lumbee people are - as a culture.

    I and my wife both agreed the Lum's are an extremely good looking people!!! (and I think my wife is beautiful). So this is coming from someone whose opinion, I deeply respect.

    I just talked to my 'bro in Albuquerque. I told him that this is one powwow he HAS to plan on coming to next year. (My 'bro is single! ) *L

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  • Ohontsia
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    ...and I thought these tribes were amongst the people the physically disappeared down south-!!!-j/k. But seriously, very interesting reading as I am totally ignorant as to Lumbee-Cheraw-Cherokee education etc... again, seriously, as a teen I lived in Philly (PA) and the family that ran the NDN Ctr there claimed to be Lumbee. They were very proud in who they were and what they did although they were criticized for their very dark skin...etc. I also met a gentleman at Mt. Pleasant PW a few years ago who claimed to be a part of a tribe that had been sold into slavery down in the southern islands-he was very knowledgeable about his culture and just a beautiful human being. I want to thank all for the interesting reading this a.m. and the links to study more on these subjects.
    Last edited by La + * Mom; 05-13-2005, 10:00 AM.

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  • Lowry Gang
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    Don't Forget Textiles Too!

    Excellent posts my friends and Lumbee brothers and sisters. It is good to know that many see the VAST problems facing our people and the things that bother some of us concerning the "slack" we get from others from time to time (not all the time and not from all, but it is there).

    Lets not forget Cotton and other Textiles as Lumbee Culture. The ancestors of the Lumbee were cultivating Cotton long before the Europeans arrived. This continues to this day and many Lumbe Elders can still weave Native textiles by hand from both Cotton, Cattails (the reeds and the fibers), spanish moss and pine needles, just to metion a few.

    It is these Lumbee Arts and many more that I would like to see more of and more doing especially since more and more Elders that know these arts are passing. It would be great to see more of thes and other Lumbee Arts at a Lumbee event.

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  • lumbeedancer
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    Originally posted by Blackbear
    LG... did you read the article? This has to do with the infamous 22... those 22 people that were recognized as indians. The original tester proved they were indian by means of cranial bumps and wether their hair got curly when wet or could hold a pencil in it...but never said which tribe they were... one bia document says they were tuscarora another says they were'nt... but in nearly all the cases, they were saying one sibling in a family was indian and the other was'nt....
    The irony is that only a handfull of people were tested. As lucrative and obserd as these tests were, if the government would have examined the whole tribe (over 12,000 at the time) instead of only about 200 people there would have been somewhere around 1500 people recognized instead of only 22!

    Yeah I know these tests were rediculous, I just thought this was an interesting observation.

    Another interesting observation is how just over twenty years prior to this (in the McPherson report, for anyone who wants to look it up) the government stated that the "magority" of the tribe's members were over 3/4 Indian Blood.

    It's interesting how when it came to actually recognizing and providing services the story just up and changed all of a sudden!

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  • geronimo
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    i mentioned farming and you're on the money, it's a big part of us. but, our people farm tobacco that eventually ends up in cigarettes - it's a paradox for sure.....although, we still use it a lot for medicinal things and then some ceremonial.....but, w/these buy-outs you're seeing less and less tobacco farmers down home - they're outsourcing tobacco farming bigtime

    you're right...our agricultural roots are still here bigtime - i helped my grandma plant our family garden last year - and even though i live away from home my butt has to be there in the summer to do corn, beans, squash, cucumbers & all that other good stuff - and, i never forget how my great grandma used to rub tobacco on my bee stings when i'd get stung in the grapevines......oh, and never try to talk about hard work in front of family who grew up in the fields...they think us kids are lazy compared to their "hard labor"

    glad you had a good time in lumland!!!

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  • WhoMe
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    One traditional observation about the Lumbee people that has been overlooked. . . .

    Tobacco.

    Tobacco cultivation and farming is one rich tradition of Lumbee culture. Wild tobacco originally grew in what is now Robeson County and was cultivated into a species called Nicotiana rustica, and farmed by the tribes which now comprise the modern Lumbee.

    Last week, the Lumbee Nation hosted the first powwow that I ever heard of that was (commercial) Tobacco Free! It was made clear to me that the Lumbee still grow tobacco and have been doing so long before other western tribes, who use tobacco in their ceremonies, came in contact with it.

    It was echoed by the sponsors and committee of the Lumbee powwow that commercial tobacco used today is devastating to Indian people and tobacco should be used in it's purist form - for ceremonial use only.

    Yet, in the heart of Indian Country, commercial tobacco (loaded with manmade, harmful additives and addictive chemicals) is used in religious ceremonies and given as gifts by many tribes west of Lumbee country.

    It was through April Wittemore, that I first saw what Indian harvested wild tobacco looked like - when she shared giant tobacco leaf ties with any and everyone at the Gathering of Nations, when she represented the Lumbee Nation, during her reign as Miss Indian World.


    Thank you Lumbee people for sharing tobacco with the rest of the Indian Nations and the rest of the United States of America!!!! Tobacco IS a part of your culture.
    Last edited by WhoMe; 05-12-2005, 03:14 PM.

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  • Ivypi
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    Originally posted by geronimo
    Lowry Gang & Ivypi,
    You've both made really great & valid points. My concern is for Lumbee kids who grow up in cities and for the most part, concentrate on the powwow aspect. (And, you're right, there are LUMS down home who are in the dark too.)You're starting to see 1/2 or 3/4 white Lumbees away from home who don't know anything about Henry Berry Lowry, the river, the college, our community histories, our leaders, our herbs/medicines, our baskets, our lye soap, farming, quilting & the social aspect, gourds, etc. etc. etc. But, they can tell you every intricacy about a powwow. That's the problem I see with Pan-Indianness. It's destroying individual tribes' cultures. Native people have always been diverse; that's the beauty of us. When you start homogenizing our individuality is when it gets dangerous. It's great to share but you have to know your history and identity and always work to have that @ the forefront. Hey, at least they had an "old school phrase" contest @ the powwow! :) As we Lums who've had the luxury of being immersed in "our" culture, it's AWESOME and me & people like Lowry Gang & Ivypi and many other LUMS will definitely work to see that it's passed on to future generations..............

    Another thing I don't like about Lums and powwowing is that they've accepted it as a lifestyle, as their "job". Lumbees have always prided themselves on educating their people (i.e Normal School = UNCP) and now powwow indians talk junk about Lumbees who see the importance in going to college rather than being consumed by traveling to every powwow and making "ends meet". I can tell you that a lot of Lumbees down home (as well as those who live in cities/other places) do not like that, and after all, a lot of them don't embrace the powwows (especially older generations) b/c let's face it, it's a fairly new thing (1970's) for Lums. They do like to see their children marry Lumbees, get good educations, work hard and stay humble. Maybe I'm in the minority but this is how myself, and many other Lumbees were raised.

    I hear you GEronimo...although I have to admit...I've never run into anyone criticizing my education on the powwow trail...which I admit I hit pretty hard .... IN fact....I'm graduating on this Sunday and celbrating that graduation at the powwow the next Sunday with many of my folks from home....ALL the way in LA....

    After which I will promptly take my happy lumbee self home....and I hope I never feel like I have to compromise my professional self/with my powwow self.....
    Last edited by Ivypi; 05-11-2005, 09:33 PM.

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  • Badmutha
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    Hmmm?

    Just curious,
    What's the point of digging this old thread back up? It sounds to me like the new posts would fit better on a new thread.

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