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i don't dance @ powwows---am i indian????

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  • geronimo
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    baby_doll,
    i sincerely hope you get the reasoning behind my post--it really has nothing to do with me thinking i'm not indian, powwows, etc......

    of course, the question is ridiculous and merits nothing....but i started the thread w/it to get people's attention and bring to light how stupid it is that these thoughts actually run through certain indian folks' heads

    it's about breaking down this mentality of people wrongly defining what they think constitutes a real indian---if that could happen, that would be the cure-all to my "burning question"
    Last edited by geronimo; 07-07-2004, 09:54 PM.

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  • baby_doll
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    Okay, I think this is a ridiculous question. I mean, come on now, you can't seriously take it like that and who are you hanging out with..."you're not Indian enough if you don't powwow"? And Journey....just STOP, STOP, right now, don't post anything anymore because I can tell from the 3rd or 4th word that your A** is lily white and that other little cyber cronie too, rose something or other. Overall I got a really good laugh out of this thread, thanks for starting it Livid Lumbee. I don't have any elder quotes or ancient Indian secrets to cure this burning question but I can say this...when you go to a powwow just have fun even if all you do is help the vendors out and clap on cue.
    Last edited by baby_doll; 07-07-2004, 03:39 PM.

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  • Kakeeya
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    Originally posted by Jibby™
    Yeah. You could call it "Ménage à Squaw: The Jibby King Experience"

    Thanks for the laugh! :rofl2:

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  • Jibby™
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    Originally posted by Singing Eagle
    Would Kiwehnzii PM me the full story on this - I'm writing Jibby's memoirs for her.................she's too busy having adventures to do the writing herself.
    Yeah. You could call it "Ménage à Squaw: The Jibby King Experience"

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  • Singing Eagle
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    Originally posted by Jibby™
    and walk off during contest (don't ask Kiwehnzii about that ;)).
    Would Kiwehnzii PM me the full story on this - I'm writing Jibby's memoirs for her.................she's too busy having adventures to do the writing herself.

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  • Jibby™
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    I would totally have to disagree with the notion that one isn't Indun if they don't powwow. In fact, it could quite possibly be the most outlandish statement to have ever entered my ear canal. Besides that one time that my mom said she was giving up younger men forever. Anyhoots...

    My family was never a "powwow family". I mean, I remember my mom pimpin me off at powwows and pageants when I was very young, but she soon realized that my penchant for reading and exploring was much more important to me.

    My family is extremely political. My grandfather was fundamental in the repatriation of land and language in our area and the integration of Indian kids to public schools. ALL of my uncles and aunties and mom are actively involved in SOMETHING that serves for the greater good of our people.

    Then there are those who prefer to devote their time and energy to ceremonies. And teaching. And learning. And passing on our ways.

    I don't take powwows seriously. I mean, more than one of you can say you've seen me dance in my running shoes (hey man, it rains alot in NY haha), miss GE and walk off during contest (don't ask Kiwehnzii about that ;)). But I can't front and say I haven't hopped on a Greyhound to get to one .. but it's mostly to connect with my peeps.

    Then there are those who don't powwow, don't politick and don't attend ceremonies .. but are just as greasy, loud, and pro mullet rockers as the rest of us. Case closed.
    Last edited by Jibbyâ„¢; 07-05-2004, 03:57 PM.

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  • Soul Embraced
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    To be honest,ive experienced more of the opposite..skepticism towards people who pow-wow because its cheesy,fake indian whatever. There are always going to be people in your community who have a certain standard for what is the epitome of lumbee-ness,but i think it depends on what u want for yourself,and what the older,wiser people of ur tribe can guide u to. The problem im having lately is living in a white world and trying to balance..damn! It can be frustrating. Plus i live in the racist south which im sure makes it that much harder,people just assume ur one of them 'mex-i-cans'..we feel for u lum,hang in there aye?

    Jase

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  • Migiziwomen
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    Originally posted by WocusWoman
    Geronimo, you know what's worse than this; and yes there are things worse that not dancing. I grew up in an area; where some people would actually believe your not a real "indian" if you didn't drink, I occasionally hear that screwed up mentality here too...
    you know what is sad, is that there are times that i do not feel like part of my siblings if i do not drink, they are all drinkers and all close, and they were all drunk durring our fathers funeral. it is a sad thing really, but sooo true.

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  • hidatsawmn26
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    ppl also tend to forget that there are tribes that dont dance at powwows ....i tend to believe that a person is only truly native by following tradishion and such...well also think about this that before there were powwows many communities had their own tradish dances and such...powwows only came into being for many reasons such as natives being proud of who they are because at that time being native wasnt a race to be...and to have fun while visiting family,friends and ppl from other communities...this one gurl came up to me once and asked me to teach her how to dance...this was at the international village expo ... and i was asked to dance there...but yay i asked her well ya know which nation(s) yar frem she said naw (which was more respectful than saying uhh i think im cherokee) i told her naw i wouldn't teach her and i told her because being native is not about powwowing..what makes ya native is following yar nations tradish. and making sure that they're passed on...and a cdib card doesnt make ya native ...i told her that there are many many many natives that are full blood who are raised it who will tell ya the same thing...well she wasnt to thrilled but i think she respected wut i sayd because she came to our office and was done with her research on her heritage...so she actually is learning..im glad she didnt just jump in without knowing her family and such...

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  • Homalosa
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    Originally posted by Mato Winyan
    For a lot of natives the powwow is the only time they either are allowed or allow themselves to be native. Meaning that if they work in a society that demands they act and work accordingly to their standards they lose that in their day to day living for the most part. They may do certain things at home to help keep in touch, like burb mentioned about teaching their children their language and things, but that is not like being out in the open and free to do and go where they want. Like "closet indins" I guess. And as we know .. society is all too comfortable with natives being behind the scenes.... causes too much trouble to have them "outted" .. .hell they might have to have a working conscience then. ;)

    You are so right on! Have you ever noticed that the big cities have more powwows than the rezes? We use powwows to connect with each other. After all, where's the Indian neighborhood off rez? Still we can't hate on folks who don't dance. There are scores of folks who attend every weekend just to be around their "folks".

    Oh and thanks Fancy Star for the props.

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  • FancyStar
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    Thank you Homalosa! Alot of poeple forget this and say there ndn just because they pow-wow. I know what the difference between tribal dances and pow-wow dances but alot of wannabes who pow-wow and brag about how much ndnd they are have no clue as to tribal dances and tribal songs!
    Hello, there is more to being an ndn than dancing intertribals at a local hobbyist pow-wow!

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  • Homalosa
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    We have to remember that although powwow has become pan-Indian, it is still a Northern and Southern plains tradition. Those of us who are not Plains people usually have our own dances, songs and traditions. Therefore, how can anyone deny someone's indianness because they don't powwow? Many plains folks get perturbed when non Plains folks change powwow traditions with the claim that powwow is pan Indian, it's their region (or casino, hint hint) and they can run the powwow the way they fit. I say if you know your ways and follow them, you're Indian whether you're in the arena or not.

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  • hidatsawmn26
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    Originally posted by TakodasMum
    my baby is 8th Mi'kmaq, dark skin and hair, but he got my blue eyes. Does that mean he's not Indian enough to dance like his dad wants him too as soon as he can walk
    i say just let him go out their and dance and to hell with wut other ppl might say...its like at first i was really thinking of leaving jingle dancing all toghether because i heard ppl say well ya aint full blood, or because ya aint anishnabe/ojibway so ya shouldn't dance jingle and i even got the response well ya dont got the black hair and dark skin so ya shouldn't dance jingle hell even got it on powwows.com...for awhile i was very very upset and then i gave up until i got some very good advice from my ma and relatives and some friends that i should say to hell with them and go out their and dance...ppl will say wut they wanna say but they got a stick up in their butt or something...everywhere ya go ya got some sour ppl that ruin it for that person so its just best to let it go through one ear out the other or to ignore them..

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  • geronimo
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    lumbee phrases and nouns/verbs disagreeing are 2 totally diff. things

    i have been away for 15 years now.......and i go
    [email protected] least once a month-- sure, we say things that you won't hear anyone anywhere else saying & that all my non-indian friends were amazed @ when they used to go home with me (rump, aggravatin' yurker, youngin,gal,sh*tnas* as one cuss word, fixin' to, i reckon, eat up wid it, he's in the church, ruint, referring to pembroke as "going home" even after i'd been gone for years)--
    my grandfather is 80, has lived in pembroke all his life, is a well-respected business owner known all over rob. co, and he never talks in "lumbonics"....NEVER.........he says certain LUM phrases like those mentioned above but he sees the importance of speaking correct english.... & he'd never value someone's lumbeeness on how they spoke------he'd base it on who their families were--.....which u already know b/c you're from home, is not an unheard thing....everybody knows everybody's people:)

    no disrespect to people who speak that way.......both sides of my families live down home......so i get the pembroke, chapel, and saddletree dialects........it's all good, but it's still important to speak [email protected] least that's the point my families have always tried to drill into us

    lumbonics may be what determines lumbeeness for a lot of people down home, but that doesn't make it right...........
    p.s., i bond with you over the fact that you agree one doesn't have to wear harley davidson to be a lum!!!! :) yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even though i must admit, i do want (1) vintage harley t-shirt.....only 1 though (and plus, it's vintage)
    Last edited by geronimo; 06-15-2004, 08:15 PM.

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  • Ivypi
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    it happens

    to all people...i've been away from da house for like 7-8 yrs now, spend a lot of time visiting, sometimes i get the hating, mostly I odn't....i think it depends alot on how you convey yourself, don't give em the chance and htey can't criticize you or your 'white" ways....

    I don't know you or the people you deal with, but sometimes you have to be the better person and believe me i know how hard that is...but realizing how fortunate you are is just one step....you have to keep your head up and still hold it down for lumbonics, powwows and whatever else your community needs you to...

    At least that's the advice i got when i was getting greif from my peers in Allenton.....

    NOw i'm not saying go along with the crowd in some ignorant stuff, but lumbonics ain't ignorant cuz....and neither are some of the other thing that we are taught to look down on by white society....knowing what's plain ignorant (ie you aint' lumbee if you don't love harley davidson) and what is a serious community factor (Lumbeeonics as you call it, but what many people have called the LUmbee dialect of English) is the kind of thing that will determine whether you're lumbee enough in the eyes of our community.....



    Originally posted by geronimo
    ya'll , this is funny and everything , but does anyone want to reply @ what i was really getting at?

    has any of this ever happened to ya'll?

    how about if you live away from your rez or homeland or go away to the city for college?

    are you resented or called a sell-out/white????? or are you resented for working for your own people?
    is this universal or just a lumbee thing?

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