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  • #31
    I decided to not watch the show

    Boozhoo niji,

    I saw the previews, and at first, I liked what I saw. Those very first pictures let me to believe this was going to be a faithful depiction of Native Americans. The previews I saw, they showed something a little different each time. And then one night I saw a picture of a cannonball crashing through a teepee.

    I thought to myself, why should I watch something that just shows our people being defeated by the white man?

    I watched the movie Squanto, one time. I think it was a very good movie. I tried to watch it a second time, cause I was bored, but when it came to the canoes racing across the water, chasing after the ships, and the woman crying out Squanto's name, I had to turn it off. If the movie is about a true story or not, it invoked some pretty negative feelings in me about white people.

    Right now I already have enough negative feelings about white people, I didnt need any fresh ideas, so I chose not to watch the show. I have heard from people what a good show it was, and how one of the chiefs kinda reminded them of me, and this and that. All I said was, thats fine, because you won, we didnt.

    Derek
    I believe in something I want to believe, not what someone wants me to believe.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by crazywolf
      Boozhoo niji,

      I saw the previews, and at first, I liked what I saw. Those very first pictures let me to believe this was going to be a faithful depiction of Native Americans. The previews I saw, they showed something a little different each time. And then one night I saw a picture of a cannonball crashing through a teepee.

      I thought to myself, why should I watch something that just shows our people being defeated by the white man?

      I watched the movie Squanto, one time. I think it was a very good movie. I tried to watch it a second time, cause I was bored, but when it came to the canoes racing across the water, chasing after the ships, and the woman crying out Squanto's name, I had to turn it off. If the movie is about a true story or not, it invoked some pretty negative feelings in me about white people.

      Right now I already have enough negative feelings about white people, I didnt need any fresh ideas, so I chose not to watch the show. I have heard from people what a good show it was, and how one of the chiefs kinda reminded them of me, and this and that. All I said was, thats fine, because you won, we didnt.

      Derek
      Derek, comparing Disney's Squanto to Spielberg's Into The West is like comparing Mickey Mouse to Spiderman. You want sugar coated, without showing real pain and suffering? Fine. Watch Squanto. What a farce. Being a Disney production should tell you something. If you want reality; or at least the closest the film industry has ever come, Spielberg wins. You ask, "why should I watch something that shows our people being defeated by the white man"? If that narrow scope is your reasoning behind not watching Into the West or even Squanto for a second time, I feel sorry for you. Being a turtle in life will get you nowhere. Avoiding the negative will get you nowhere. There was alot to be proud of while watching Into The West. It didn't "just show" our people being defeated by thew white man. And, If all you saw were previews you are hardly in a position to critique the series. It's like looking at a glass of water--is it half full or half empty? You will always be thirsty if you dwell on the emptiness....
      Damme ape’semmai, "Andabichidaiboonee’ gimmadu’i.Wihyu memme hainjinee’ nahandu’i. Enne wizha sudei’ tsaangu mabizhiahkande," mai.

      The Creator said, "A foreign race of white people will come, who will become your friends. You should treat them well."

      The Creator sure had a strange sense of humor!

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      • #33
        My grandmother was one of the students at Carlisle. She told my aunt stories about it. Jim Thorpe went there too.

        Like I said on my thread......the more vivid and violent the better as far as I'm concerned. Whoever watches it needs to see some representation of what was endured by our people. Accuracy is no longer an issue in my mind. I'm just glad we're a topic of discussion again.

        Still, I'm not looking forward to the conclusion. We already know it isn't in our favor....
        “People once believed that when someone dies a crow carries their soul to the land of the dead, but sometimes something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried with it and the soul can’t rest. Then sometimes, just sometimes the Crow can bring the soul back and put the wrong things right.”

        I WISH.............

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        • #34
          Didnt exactly critique

          Boozhoo niji,

          PFP I didnt exactly critique the series in my post. All I described in my post were the previews and why I didnt want to watch it. But you point out some good things. Maybe I will watch it. My cousin has the whole thing downloaded and burned onto DVD, so I can if I ever want to. I am just going to have to get ready for it I guess.

          Derek
          I believe in something I want to believe, not what someone wants me to believe.

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          • #35
            Hey, CW..... If you do get a chance to watch it I think you'll find it interesting........and sad at times. But like I've been saying here and on my thread about the series.....it's good that people are seeing SOMETHING, ya know? We are so rarely the topic of discussion currently, unless it's about a new casino, or reclaiming land.

            Take care, "see ya" around...
            “People once believed that when someone dies a crow carries their soul to the land of the dead, but sometimes something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried with it and the soul can’t rest. Then sometimes, just sometimes the Crow can bring the soul back and put the wrong things right.”

            I WISH.............

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            • #36
              zif you want to see what native-white relations were really
              like in a movie, I have two recommendations:
              1. The reenactment of the Sand Creek Massacre in
              "Soldier Blue".
              2. The reenactment of the massacre of the survivors of
              Sand Creek on the Wa****a four years later in "Little Big Man".
              Case closed.
              alamosaurus

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              • #37
                Originally posted by alamosaurus
                zif you want to see what native-white relations were really
                like in a movie, I have two recommendations:
                1. The reenactment of the Sand Creek Massacre in
                "Soldier Blue".
                2. The reenactment of the massacre of the survivors of
                Sand Creek on the Wa****a four years later in "Little Big Man".
                Case closed.
                You know I was just thinking the other day watching that reinactment in Into the West... I wonder if those actors are getting tired of reinacting that particular day. The one reinactment that was eerie was the one in hidalgo how the actors had fallen into place like the photos that were taken afterwards.
                Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.sigpic

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by alamosaurus
                  zif you want to see what native-white relations were really
                  like in a movie, I have two recommendations:
                  1. The reenactment of the Sand Creek Massacre in
                  "Soldier Blue".
                  2. The reenactment of the massacre of the survivors of
                  Sand Creek on the Wa****a four years later in "Little Big Man".
                  Case closed.
                  Good idea....I'm going to check them out too.
                  “People once believed that when someone dies a crow carries their soul to the land of the dead, but sometimes something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried with it and the soul can’t rest. Then sometimes, just sometimes the Crow can bring the soul back and put the wrong things right.”

                  I WISH.............

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                  • #39
                    Final Episode

                    Episode 6 just ended. I was struck by a number of things and my mind is still whirling so forgive me if I leave something out the first time around.

                    Wovoka introduced what was almost a pseudo Christianity to the Indian people; the concept of salvation and eternal life as was explained to me by nuns years ago. The concept that we will all be raised up and reunited with those who have gone before; that there will be peace on earth... What was it exactly that made our practice of this new found (i.e. different) spirituality unacceptable in White terms? Yes, we added our own practices of singing and dancing to put our stamp upon it; but ITW shows Native people experiencing a 'rapture' that in this day and age is acceptable--particularly among pentecostal and evangelical Christian groups in America. One hundred years and a difference in race...

                    Another theme I perceived, again, was the power of the media. Newspapers and TV channels look for sensational headlines and stories to get ratings and sell their product. It appears it was no different circa 1890.

                    What has changed in 100 years? I'm beginning to wonder. This country seems be going backwards instead of forward. But maybe my words only reflect how sickened I feel having watched this, the 6th and Final Episode; right down to seeing Margaret offered $2.00 measly bucks for that fine buckskin Ghost Dance shirt...watching a whole encampment of innocents slaughtered.

                    I don't regret watching the show. I don't regret it being made; so long as one White person is filled with an inter-generational shame that matches my disgust and grief.
                    Damme ape’semmai, "Andabichidaiboonee’ gimmadu’i.Wihyu memme hainjinee’ nahandu’i. Enne wizha sudei’ tsaangu mabizhiahkande," mai.

                    The Creator said, "A foreign race of white people will come, who will become your friends. You should treat them well."

                    The Creator sure had a strange sense of humor!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Plenty Fox & Proud
                      I don't regret watching the show. I don't regret it being made; so long as one White person is filled with an inter-generational shame that matches my disgust and grief.
                      I felt the shame we did to your people by murdering them
                      Asema Is Sacred
                      Traditional Use, Not Misuse
                      Wakan Tanka please have compassion on me.
                      OK Niji we are running a train with red over yellow at this powwow.

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                      • #41
                        I have watched all the episodes of this series with interest, as it involves the history and events of the Oglala part of my family. However, this last episode hit me hard emotionally, even though I knew what was going to happen. My heart is on the ground, and that's all I can say right now.
                        Last edited by Historian; 07-23-2005, 01:56 AM.

                        "Be good, be kind, help each other."
                        "Respect the ground, respect the drum, respect each other."

                        --Abe Conklin, Ponca/Osage (1926-1995)

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                        • #42
                          Hi
                          After the series. I have more respect for the indian ways.
                          Asema Is Sacred
                          Traditional Use, Not Misuse
                          Wakan Tanka please have compassion on me.
                          OK Niji we are running a train with red over yellow at this powwow.

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                          • #43
                            I think that the fact that they showed the stupidity of the white man and the perspective of BOTH sides made the show worth watching. I was watching the finale last night, and the scene where Margaret Light Shines comes face to face with the reporter, that she traded the goust shirt to for the camara, out at the site of wounded knee was amazing to me. No words were spoken, but there was no need.
                            I am personally glad they made the show, because not many people I know were even remotely familiar with the story of wounded knee or almost any of what they showed. What happened back then was an american version of the holocaust. I am, and have always been ashamed of what the white people did, and I am soooooooooo glad that they were able to show as muc has they could. I heard that it will be coming to DVD and Video this october. I know I will be getting it the first day it comes out!
                            Last edited by fightingoneself; 07-23-2005, 02:14 PM.
                            Those who say they know themselves, are lying.
                            life is chaos personified
                            "NO DAY BUT TODAY!"
                            "ACT UP FIGHT AIDS!"

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                            • #44
                              aparently the series was based off of a book by the same title by Max McCoy. Haven't read it yet, but I know I'm going to want to find and read it now. Has anyone else heard or read it yet?
                              Last edited by fightingoneself; 07-23-2005, 02:27 PM. Reason: wanting to delete what I wrote
                              Those who say they know themselves, are lying.
                              life is chaos personified
                              "NO DAY BUT TODAY!"
                              "ACT UP FIGHT AIDS!"

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by fightingoneself
                                aparently the series was based off of a book by the same title by Max McCoy. Haven't read it yet, but I know I'm going to want to find and read it now. Has anyone else heard or read it yet?
                                You would be better off reading either of these two detailed and historically acurate books:

                                Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee by Dee Brown

                                or

                                The Long Death by Ralph K. Andrist

                                "Be good, be kind, help each other."
                                "Respect the ground, respect the drum, respect each other."

                                --Abe Conklin, Ponca/Osage (1926-1995)

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