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  • kgirl7
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    I know what Manifest Destiny is. I wanted to know how specifically I was supporting Manifest Destiny by my statements.

    I don't view living on the rez as being superior to someone off the rez. I don't view living off the rez as being superior to being on the rez. (And just so you know I don't live on a reservation. I live in the Bronx.) They're places people live.

    MY MAIN POINT is that I think issues of reservations are more complex than "it's just a scrap of land the government gave." That's all I'm trying to get across about reservations!

    I know you haven't volunteered for any powwow club or committee and that's GOOD, but the fact is there are many people that have formed "Native" committees even made up their own tribes and the sole connection they have to their Native heritage is some oral story of some great grandmother waaaay back or a piece of DNA or somethin. I'm not saying *you* personally have done that but it has happened and by people who don't get that it takes more than DNA to "be" Native. If someone finds out that they are like 1/64 Lakota one day, let me make this clear, I see nothing wrong with them trying to find their Lakota family and learn the culture. (And actually some people won't agree with me on that.) But what I do have a problem with said person thinking that they can offer lessons on Lakota spirituality just because they are 1/64 Lakota. Or join an Indian committee representing Lakota people. And that's what people have done because they found out that one day they were x-amount Indian so now they know what it's all like to be Indian.
    That's what i'm trying to get across. I'm not trying to divide people or get on some superiority schtick. I don't view people in terms of superior/inferior.

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  • Mama Bear
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    Originally posted by kgirl7
    The truth stands just cuz someone got Native DNA doesn't mean they know what it's like to be connected to a culture, community or tribe and thus they can't speak on that.

    I might have Chinese DNA somewhere back but I can't go on tv claiming to be a spokesperson for China.

    And i'm sorry that you feel being condescending and snooty is a good thing.
    Good words Kgirl, kinda hits the nail on the head.


    greagirl, I think you are being to harsh with your words.


    What is the Natural Elimination Act anyway? Is it like, natural colon cleansing or something?

    You are entitled to your opinion of how things should be, could be , would be, and guess what, not everyone is going to like it, or take the time to argue with you about it..

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  • greagirl
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    Originally posted by kgirl7
    What Manifest Destiny is that exactly?

    The truth stands just cuz someone got Native DNA doesn't mean they know what it's like to be connected to a culture, community or tribe and thus they can't speak on that. I might have Chinese DNA somewhere back but I can't go on tv claiming to be a spokesperson for China.

    And i'm sorry that you feel being condescending and snooty is a good thing.
    You'e on a computer look it up. (rolling eyes) Oh all right, I'm feeling all Learning Channel right now. It's the belief that white settlers had that they and only they had the supreme right to spread the girth of the North American continent from East to West. In this case I would be referring to you and people like you's belief that living on a little swat of land your oppressors so generously let you have because, well, they really didn't want it at the time, somehow makes you superior to anyone possessing portions of like genetic lineage who, say, were crazy enough to leave and fend for themselves in the world rather than take the sh*t they were shoveled.

    You make the American forefathers proud you know. That's what they want, divisionalism. They want you to be too busy with your bigotry and short sightedness to keep your eye on the prize. Save your passion for something more important than a message board. Spew it upon those who are not here and who need to hear rather than those who are already here and listening. It is long said that when you yell, people cover their ears but when you whisper people crane their necks to hear. More commonly that you catch more bees with honey than vinegar.

    I do not personally care what you think of me to be perfectly honest but since you so obviously are crying out for my attention, here I am giving it to you. Maybe I really do care...I'm sure...somewhere...really, really, really.....really, really deep inside. Oh wait, that's just indigestion....(laugh)

    I'm on TV?! Really? What channel? Strange that I don't see any cameras. I'm sure they'd *love* you in China. Why don't you hop on a plane and go check it out? I got powwows.com TV covered.

    I also don't recall signing up for powwow committee or running for Indian Princess but maybe just maybe my fan club voted me on defacto.

    Being condescending and snooty is a good thing when it makes lazy people rise and puts the arrogant in their place.

    Thank you for amusing me. Not being one easily offended I welcome anyone who has anything to say to step up to the plate. "The people" have been too meek for too long.

    Vote yes to the Natural Elimination Act!

    Yeehaw!

    Grea all the way baby!

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  • greagirl
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    Originally posted by apacheheart
    Fellow sea monkey or one of those pesky land monkeys again??....MAN BONE??....HA HAAAAAAAHH!!.......keep smilin'1,....and remember"wet or dry,s**t always smells the same,so don't get any on you.
    Oh my hero riding on your red horse to my rescue. (laugh) Sorry but that monkey is NOKD (not our kind darling). I'm not fazed.

    I just look back in history to a brown haired, brown eyed man who held the same strong beliefs about his country and his people. He believed with everything with him that the people like him were his only deserving countrymen. He believed that people who thought and behaved like him were his only true brethern. What was his name? Oh yeah, HITLER. (laugh)

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  • kgirl7
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    What Manifest Destiny is that exactly?

    The truth stands just cuz someone got Native DNA doesn't mean they know what it's like to be connected to a culture, community or tribe and thus they can't speak on that. I might have Chinese DNA somewhere back but I can't go on tv claiming to be a spokesperson for China.

    And i'm sorry that you feel being condescending and snooty is a good thing.
    Last edited by kgirl7; 04-11-2006, 06:45 PM. Reason: spelling

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  • apacheheart
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    Originally posted by greagirl
    Can't talk now I have an angry monkey on my back. (laugh) Not everyone gets me Apache....
    Fellow sea monkey or one of those pesky land monkeys again??....MAN BONE??....HA HAAAAAAAHH!!.......keep smilin'1,....and remember"wet or dry,s**t always smells the same,so don't get any on you.

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  • greagirl
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    Originally posted by apacheheart
    ...Wore out my welcome already....took longer than I thought(lol)...keep smilin'1
    Can't talk now I have an angry monkey on my back. (laugh) Not everyone gets me Apache....

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  • greagirl
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    Originally posted by kgirl7
    I'm sorry greagirl but I sit here reading your posts and sometimes it comes across being snooty and mis-informed.

    You say you would never live on a reservation (unless you got married, don't know what that means but whatever) but have you ever been to one? Some tribes have reservations on their original homelands, close to their sacred areas or sites. If you belonged to one of these tribes would you still say the same thing? It comes off kinda condescending when you say that.

    Even though reservations have problems (as do all areas) i would imagine that being around your family and culture had benefits that just can't be quantified.

    Just having Native blood (or DNA) doesn't automatically mean you have the right to claim *being* Native. You need to have a connection to your family, community and culture. Which it sounds like you don't because you mention that all you learned about Native cultures you got from books and TV, which of course we all know is a good way to learn about Native people. (yeah, right.) No it does not nullify the fact that you have Native blood in you but it doens't allow you to speak as a Native person.

    That's the view I fear that people who take these DNA tests might have. The view that "Well I'm 5%/10%/15% Native, so that means I have Native DNA and I can talk about all things Native." Then they sign up for a shamanism workshop and start building their own sweatlodge in their backyard. Or say stupid things like "I'm 15% Native and I don't see anything wrong with Native people being used as mascots."

    Get what I'm sayin?
    I only *sound* snooty and condescending? I thought I *was* snooty and condescending. (laugh) Most of my rezzy info has come from the mouths of varous people from various rezs as well. I don't ever, ever, ever say that I'm Native. No one can claim that I ever said that. I said that I am *part *Native because a Native man stuck his Native man bone in my Great Granny. End of story. You can like it, you can not but it was done quite some time ago and I'm afraid quite irreversible.

    I 100% stand by everything I have said. Those who don't like it can read another thread or simply ignore me. I don't believe in your manifest destiny and you can't make me. I will speak what I wish as I wish.

    As ever....

    Grea.

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  • sokoki_wolf
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    Originally posted by Wakalapi
    Personally, I wouldn't pay $2-300 to find out what I already know ... and if I didn't know it in the first place, well I can't answer that question. Maybe I'd want to know, then. SO who know. Ayes.
    i agree and i agree too that its a scam as Whome pointed out...theres been too much controversy about western science wanting our dna and i know there was a delegation that spoke before the UN about protecting and safeguarding our dna...im not very clear on the details but i know that science having our dna and mapping it has been an issue and a concern...i have to wonder if the dna testing available is part of that whole line of thinking,mapping etc and another way around oppostition to it...if it was submitted voluntarily,then who could complain? just a few thoughts

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  • Wakalapi
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    Personally, I wouldn't pay $2-300 to find out what I already know ... and if I didn't know it in the first place, well I can't answer that question. Maybe I'd want to know, then. SO who know. Ayes.

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  • WhoMe
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    Originally posted by Mama Bear
    Scientist are a funny breed!

    Why do they discredit traditional creation stories and force their views on the public.
    I guess it all boils down to what you believe, Creation or Evolution, eh?

    Mama,

    Foremost, we need to share our stories among our own people.... FIRST (as opposed to telling them to outsiders and having them write a book and listing theirselves as the authors).

    Many Indians and First Nations do not know or have lost many of their traditional stories, for two reasons.

    1. Most young Natives of this present generation have learned from a government standardized education system that does not value traditional teaching. Hence, achievement in math and reading proficiency are "more important" than cultural stories and tradition.

    2. Most young Natives of this present generation do not have immediate access to elders, historians or cultural resources to learn creation stories or origin accounts. Most of these "traditional stories" are told in Native languages. We are losing our language speakers who know these stories in their entirety.

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    Science has a way of discrediting traditional beliefs.
    Last edited by WhoMe; 04-11-2006, 03:58 PM.

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  • apacheheart
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    Jeez....

    Originally posted by greagirl
    You do realize that now you will be added to the do not call list? (grin)
    ...Wore out my welcome already....took longer than I thought(lol)...keep smilin'1

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  • kgirl7
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    I'm sorry greagirl but I sit here reading your posts and sometimes it comes across being snooty and mis-informed.

    You say you would never live on a reservation (unless you got married, don't know what that means but whatever) but have you ever been to one? Some tribes have reservations on their original homelands, close to their sacred areas or sites. If you belonged to one of these tribes would you still say the same thing? It comes off kinda condescending when you say that.

    Even though reservations have problems (as do all areas) i would imagine that being around your family and culture had benefits that just can't be quantified.

    Just having Native blood (or DNA) doesn't automatically mean you have the right to claim *being* Native. You need to have a connection to your family, community and culture. Which it sounds like you don't because you mention that all you learned about Native cultures you got from books and TV, which of course we all know is a good way to learn about Native people. (yeah, right.) No it does not nullify the fact that you have Native blood in you but it doens't allow you to speak as a Native person.

    That's the view I fear that people who take these DNA tests might have. The view that "Well I'm 5%/10%/15% Native, so that means I have Native DNA and I can talk about all things Native." Then they sign up for a shamanism workshop and start building their own sweatlodge in their backyard. Or say stupid things like "I'm 15% Native and I don't see anything wrong with Native people being used as mascots."

    Get what I'm sayin?

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  • Mama Bear
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    Originally posted by WhoMe
    Mama,

    There are several answers to your several questions.

    I feel this is a scam with no basis. If you're an American Indian based on DNA, so what?

    Science has one view. Individual Indian tribes have another. One thing most people do not consider is our tribal creation stories. Very few tribes believe that they crossed a great ice bridge to get to this land.

    Instead they believe they came to their original homelands from the stars, heavens, under the earth, hills, mountains, valleys, rivers, islands, oceans and canyon.

    These are the versions of creation that American Indian and First Nations people have passed on to the next generations for centuries upon centuries.

    Most tribes are not concerned about DNA testing to determine Indianness. There are much bigger and immediate problems confronting each tribe at this time.
    I totally agree with you on all points, especially about more immediate problems.

    Science is one thing and Tradition, and Culture are another.

    I just feel science is opening too many doors with out enough links or consideration to the past . Digging up graves and desecrating bodies to try and track where the humans originally came from in their eyes.
    Scientist are a funny breed!

    Why do they discredit traditional creation stories and force their views on the public.
    I guess it all boils down to what you believe, Creation or Evolution, eh?

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  • WhoMe
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    Originally posted by Mama Bear
    scam it is... Shame there are people out there who are doing this..

    What I was leading up to is the question about the DNA of Natives and how the scientist are trying to prove that immigration to North American was over the land bridge millions of years ago.

    Are tribes allowing DNA testing or. are the tribes telling them(scientist) we have our own creation so screw you and your theories?
    Mama,

    There are several answers to your several questions.

    I feel this is a scam with no basis. If you're an American Indian based on DNA, so what?

    Science has one view. Individual Indian tribes have another. One thing most people do not consider is our tribal creation stories. Very few tribes believe that they crossed a great ice bridge to get to this land.

    Instead they believe they came to their original homelands from the stars, heavens, under the earth, hills, mountains, valleys, rivers, islands, oceans and canyon.

    These are the versions of creation that American Indian and First Nations people have passed on to the next generations for centuries upon centuries.

    Most tribes are not concerned about DNA testing to determine Indianness. There are much bigger and immediate problems confronting each tribe at this time.

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