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  • NativeGentleFeather
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    Thank You,

    My mother-n-law went and picked up the form for my husband to fill out. He is going to put her down as Mohawk on the Tribal Card. I am just worried that I won't be able to prove my background. She will only be considered 1/2 Native. And when she remarries she will lose that status I heard unless I have a card that proves I am native. I forget how it works.

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  • between2worlds
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    Originally posted by NativeGentleFeather
    I am asking how I would get the info on filling out for a status card. My daughters father needs the info so he can apply up in Canada or she will only be considered half native by the government.
    I think the first thing you would probably need to find out is what proof Canada requires of a US person of native descent. You may be directed to contact the Tribal council of your people.

    ~b2w

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  • NativeGentleFeather
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    Shirley Little Dove McGowan is the one who modeled for the Disneys version of Pochahontas :)

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  • NativeGentleFeather
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    We are recognized...

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  • NativeGentleFeather
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    Mattaponi Indian
    Reservation
    Chief: Webster "Little Eagle" Custalow
    Asistant Chief: Carl "Lone Eagle" Custalow
    A message from Assistant Chief Carl "Lone Eagle" Custalow.


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    Annual Powwow

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    The Mattaponi Indian Reservation was created from land long held by the Tribe by an act of the Virginia General Assembly in 1658. Being one of the oldest reservations in the country, the Tribe traces its history back to the Great Chief Powhatan, father of Pocahontas, who ruled most of Tidewater Virginia when Europeans arrived in 1607. The story of Pocahontas and Captain John Smith begins here.

    Since the Assembly's designation of the Reservation in 1658, the Mattaponi Tribe has maintained its heritage and many of its customs despite strong pressures pushing toward assimilation with the mainstream culture.

    Through the years both the Reservation's physical size and the number of Tribal members have been diminished. The Reservation presently encompasses approximately 150 acres, a portion being wetland. Although the Tribal Roll numbers 450 people, only 60 actually live on the Reservation. The Mattaponi Indian Tribe is State recognized and continues to maintain its own Sovereign government. The Governing Body today is made up of the Chief (pictured above), Assistant Chief, and seven Councilmen.

    Many Mattaponis who live off the Reservation would like to return to their traditional homeland to continue the Tribe's culture and traditions. To do so will require expansion of the land holdings of the Mattaponi Tribe.

    The Reservation today sits on the banks of the Mattaponi River, one of the most pristine rivers in the Eastern United States. Facilities on the Reservation today include living quarters, a small church, a museum, a Fish Hatchery and Marine Science Center, and a community Tribal building that was formerly the Reservation school.

    While some of the residents pursue their endeavors on the Reservation, many of the younger members seek work in other areas.

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  • NativeGentleFeather
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    I am asking how I would get the info on filling out for a status card. My daughters father needs the info so he can apply up in Canada or she will only be considered half native by the government.

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  • greagirl
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    Originally posted by Migiziwomen
    yah i was pretty much just spinning words, because i am really not sure what his problem is, he know who his family is so i guess i want to know the same thing GREA asked....Proof for whom?.......
    i am not sure why this has irritated me so much other then there really are people out there that do not even have a name to go on. anyway it all comes down to what it always comes down to on threads like this, you are who you are, haveing a card does not make you more indian, it just gets you into those danged powwow that card.
    I have never understood this great push people have to prove this or that to other people. Those people to whom you have to PROVE things, probably aren't the sort who know you very well or trust you very well. You also have to ask yourself (if the proof is only for your personal use and knowledge) why do you not believe those of your elders/etc who have relayed this information to you? You know you are in a very indirect way showing distrust and a lack of faith in their knowledge and integrity. Is there some reason that you feel they would make such things up?

    Hell all I have is this face and the fact that both my mother and my grandmother have acknowledged that I have native blood. Have I done any research? A tad but not because I think they were just sitting around telling tales out of school. I have so little knowledge of/interaction with that PART of my heritage. I don't know exactly where it came from. You don't seem to have that problem, so again I am puzzled.

    Why would the word of some stranger, who you PAY to specifically tell you that you have Native DNA supercede the words of those who in the past have relayed, via oral tradition, your bloodline? I mean, if my grandmother had told me that her father was of whatever tribe, I would have believed her and left it at that (and we didn't even get on all that well). Of all of the things to lie about, I don't perceive this as being one of those things very high on the list for most people except in the past in time of great tribulation and discrimination. I know a great deal about my family's history from stories told to me by my grandparents, etc. I believe them. Call me naive (and I'll punch you in the nose (laugh)).

    Whichever the case is, why in GOD's name would you want to go out of your way to PROVE anything to the naysayers in the first place? If you know who you are (and you certainly seem to know much of your history) why do you need PROOF? And if you get this much celebrated proof, what are you going to do with it anyway? Hang it on your wall like a diploma? Use it to snub others of not so royal a pedigree? Win a high-stakes bet? Take over one of the aforementioned tribes? Paste it on your gravestone?

    Well I personally would prefer my obituarity to read something more intriguing than here lies Grea, daugther of....mother of...who was of ......race. I'd prefer mine to list something of much more consequence - all of my accomplishments in this world, my contributions which made things better for the world as a whole and mankind at large. But then again that is just me and my "crazy" priorities - to be known as a larger than life human being first and a woman and ethnicity last.

    In closing, if you don't already know, you should examine your personal motivations for wanting this proof above all else.

    A wise, old woman in the skin of a jester...

    Grea.

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  • Migiziwomen
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    yah i was pretty much just spinning words, because i am really not sure what his problem is, he know who his family is so i guess i want to know the same thing GREA asked....Proof for whom?.......
    i am not sure why this has irritated me so much other then there really are people out there that do not even have a name to go on. anyway it all comes down to what it always comes down to on threads like this, you are who you are, haveing a card does not make you more indian, it just gets you into those danged powwow that card.
    Originally posted by Blackbear
    Well it's gonna be moot anyhow since none of the tribes mentioned have any kind of recognition do they?
    Proving any kind of quantum is'nt going to get you a bia card or anything like that. But hey, you've proved you have ancestry.
    Also if this is for your children's quantum.. won't matter since it's their dad who is Mohawk, and if he did'nt have them by a mohawk woman, his kids won't be recognized as mohawk, and no amount of blood quantum from another tribe would be accounted for their quantum as mohawk.

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  • Blackbear
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    Well it's gonna be moot anyhow since none of the tribes mentioned have any kind of recognition do they?
    Proving any kind of quantum is'nt going to get you a bia card or anything like that. But hey, you've proved you have ancestry.
    Also if this is for your children's quantum.. won't matter since it's their dad who is Mohawk, and if he did'nt have them by a mohawk woman, his kids won't be recognized as mohawk, and no amount of blood quantum from another tribe would be accounted for their quantum as mohawk.

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  • Zorro
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    You know, who cares if some idiot wants to go spend money on a meaningless DNA test - if you're not part of a tribe, your blood means nothing, and it's still up to tribes who is on their membership rolls. (BTW, testing of mitochondrial DNA only works if you're talking about heritage thru your mother's line, back thru mother to mother; so, one white woman in the chain would render the whole thing moot, or if you're native ancestor is male - you wouldn't show the markers, you'd have European mitochondrial DNA).

    What is much more troubling is that in articles about these stupid subjects, this is how native issues are summed up for public consumption:
    "Nineteenth-century treaties obligate the U.S. government to provide education, health care and other services to many tribes. Indian sovereignty also means tribes can set up casinos on reservations. Indian casinos now generate $18 billion annually, and the numbers are growing."

    Yeah, that's what Indian sovereignty means...

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  • greagirl
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    Originally posted by Migiziwomen
    just for the record, as i have said befor i like grea girl and the way she expresses herself, she never comes out and says that someone is stupid or anything, i find her to be entertaining and witty, and i do not take her to seriously most of the time. she has a sharp tounge, and i have a flat as* none of are perfect. lol
    Correction: I say people are stupid all of the time.... just usually meaning that they're twisted in a very amusing and interesting way. (grin) Most of what I say is tongue in cheeky anyway and I seriously hope that most people aren't taking everything I say as bible truth. I mean I'm not really a reporter, I'm a "purporter" and I have no real evidence to back up my Top Model claims - just raw, hot instinct. (grin)

    I try not to call people stupid though I enjoy rubbing people's noses in their own ignorance in strange and self-amusing ways. Remember people: stupid is forever but ignorance can be fixed. The first step though is to admit you have a problem. (laugh)

    You like me? How nice. I will be having a reputation point post-athon quite shortly, please do feel free to come by and donate. It's for a wonderful cause - me. (laugh) I wonder what happens if all of your little green boxes go out?

    I always welcome anyone to say anything they want to me, just be advised that I will say whatever I want back...and then some. (laugh)

    Now, I'm off to get paid to pretend to be working again.

    Enjoy!

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  • Migiziwomen
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    just for the record, as i have said befor i like grea girl and the way she expresses herself, she never comes out and says that someone is stupid or anything, i find her to be entertaining and witty, and i do not take her to seriously most of the time. she has a sharp tounge, and i have a flat as* none of are perfect. lol

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  • Migiziwomen
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    Um well let me see with all that you said you have your proof. lol just curious what makes you a princess? there are people out here that have real problems trying to find out who they are and where they come from. people who were adopted out with no real way to trace back cause all the damned records are sealed, and no one will tell them anything. you on the other hand have names of your ancesters, and apparantly a royal lineage. may i ask who is that you want to prove this to. you could volunteer for one of these fancy DNA tests. incase you need more info here are the names of some of you cousins
    Chief Custalow is survived by nine children: five daughters, Eleanor Pocahontas Cannada and husband, Alton; Edith White Feather Kuhns and husband, Raymond; Dolores Little White Dove Salmons and husband, Ralph; Shirley Little Dove McGowan and husband, Olsson; Debra White Dove Perreco and husband, Louis; and four sons, Dr. Linwood Little Bear Custalow and wife, Barbara; Assistant Chief Carl Lone Eagle Custalow; Ryland Little Beaver Custalow and Leon Two Feathers Custalow and wife, Helen. He had 24 grandchildren, and 32 great-grandchildren.

    from what i have read of him, your uncle worked hard to improve for his people and protect what was thiers. so according to what i read you are a decendant of pocahontas. i do not want to sound to condesending but what exactly is your problem, it seems that your family line is well documented so what exactly is that you need help with. it took me 5 seconds to find this. how hard can it be to get your blood qauntum then.

    Originally posted by NativeGentleFeather
    My Grandmother is Mattaponi/Pamunkey and my Great Uncle was Chief Little Eagle of the Mattaponi Indian Reservation down in Virginia for a very long time. My Grandmothers mom was an Indian Princess. And on my other side of the family is Leni' Lenape'. My husband is Mohawk. I am trying to find out how to go about getting proof that I am a Native American.
    Last edited by Migiziwomen; 05-17-2006, 03:06 PM.

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  • greagirl
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    Originally posted by Silvermouse
    I swear, to hear some of you talk, it's like being NA gives you some magical endowment that you are desperate to keep to yourselves, like the key to the executive washroom. I hereby challenge anyone reading this post to wax poetic about what makes being Native so special above all other things? I personally prize other things more highly but to hear some of you tell it, it is what you prize most. Why?


    I noticed this too. I'm glad you asked the question.
    Do you think it's a mere coincidence that I got no answers? (laugh)


    Ironically someone sent this to me today:

    This equation should be taught in all math classes!

    What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?

    Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

    If:
    A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z is represented as:
    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

    Then:

    H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
    8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%



    and
    K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
    11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

    But,

    A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
    1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

    And,

    B-U-L-L-S-*-*-T
    2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

    AND, look how far *** kissing will take you.

    A-*-*-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
    1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

    So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that While Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, it's the Bulls**t and *** kissing that will put you over the top.

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  • Silvermouse
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    Hmmm

    I swear, to hear some of you talk, it's like being NA gives you some magical endowment that you are desperate to keep to yourselves, like the key to the executive washroom. I hereby challenge anyone reading this post to wax poetic about what makes being Native so special above all other things? I personally prize other things more highly but to hear some of you tell it, it is what you prize most. Why?
    Last edited by Silvermouse; 07-10-2006, 01:15 PM.

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