Cheroenhaka Nottoway

[lumbee_warrior]

oh well

hmmmm they tried in NC huh? looks like they'll be finding another state to try and claim as their ancestral homeland cause VA ain't having it. Read below:

http://dls.state.va.us/pubs/summary/2006/06sum59.htm

According to this link the legislative action failed.

Go all the way to the bottom of the page under FAILED..

F SJ152

Officially recognizing the Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) Indian Tribe. Extends official state recognition to the Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) Indian Tribe.

[Blackbear]

Ok that article... ya'll know how it's been discussed that the wahoos are the ones that get all the media attention? Keep that in mind because I know the guy in the lower picture is a fraud. You'll notice his name in one of the articles I posted about the protest at grand river, with everyone asking who the hell he is and yet he's telling people all over that's where he's from.

[Singing Otter]

I thinks.. that this is nottaway to incorporate many tribes into one. Is there a way to do this so I can build a casino. I'm from the IzzarawayTobe NdN nation and I'd like recognition too. Help me.

LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ROTFLMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahaha wooooooooooooooo hahahahahahahahahahaha

[SmokeEater]

Blessing the river... is that what she was doing?

[Singing Otter]

Blessing the river... is that what she was doing?

Dude quit playin! You know she was purifying herself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

[Blackbear]

Dude quit playin! You know she was purifying herself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!! Hey if that's some fountain of youth, I want in on it.. I could use some new knees.

[Renegade]

Southside Va has thousands of people with significant Indian ancestry. As we look at history most of us in the Southeast were forced into hiding and forgetting who we were and in the last 50 years we have been able to begin reorganizing, remembering and getting basic recognition. It is a good thing that people in VA and NC have in the last 50 years have begun this process and it is good that others like the Nottoway and others are continuing this trend. And this trend is and will continue because brown people will eventually take Turtle Island back.. The White people tried to brainwash us all into forgetting who we were. Now they still pull the strings having one group, who has gotten some form of recognition, ridicule other groups who are trying. Just remember the more Indians there are the sooner we can take our land back. Lets work on coming together!!

[FluteMaker]

im all for the people coming back together. i accept that there are people who hid out in the mountains to avoid the removal process, hell, my own family has a story about a female ancestor who chased a government 'census' taker down thier mountain with a rifle in each hand. i know that in westvirginia NDNs were forbidden by law to own land and subject to being shipped off west untill 1964. i know that virginia, untill 1973 listed native peoples as negro on birth certificates. i know the east end of turtle island has been pretty harsh to indiginous peoples. and i realize that alot of the different peoples have been run into clerical extinction and i totally favor them coming back together to share and revive thier particular culture with people of a like herritage.
i dont however like the freeforall of ndn clubs going to thier states and begging recognition. the whole deal with getting recognition is next to impossible and doesnt seem to be worth anything anyway.
that group in west virginia, the aaiwv...
they had what they thought was recognition from the state, one resolution from each house, calling them a tribe and all. they have letters from the governor congradulating them and to read the resolutions ,yeah, the state gave them recognition. they didnt get anything for it beyond the recognition. no land,no extra hunting or fishing rights, no money, no nothing. and they hadnt asked for anything either. they just wanted the recognition and they had it. right up untill someone called them on it and the state choked. the same guy who signed the resolutions turned around and said ' yeah, well that was just for show it doesnt mean anything'.
so...
why bother? is state recognition really worth any thing ? and how do you differentiate between the wannabe clubs and the children of the forgotten searching for the promised land?

[eap7]

Blessing the River

That article was interesting to me...Julianne Jennings, who's blessing the river, used to live up here in New England. She'd go around to powwows in MA and RI and tell people she was one of the few MASSACHUSETT Indians left (there's no Massachusett tribe anymore). She'd sing songs allegedly in the Massachusett language and tell crazy stories. Now she's Nottaway? Wondered where she'd gone. lol

[Renegade]

Rebuild

Flutemaker:

There are a lot of tribes in the Southeast that have received state recognition in the past 50 years. In VA and NC alone have close to 15 tribes that would have no recognition at all if there was not for state recognition received in the past couple of decades. And there are tens of thousands of people with claims to significant Indian ancestry with no recognition. Like you I sometimes question the validity of any kind of recognition from the white man. My attitude typically is F their recogition. Imagine Hitler had won WWI and 200 years later you have jews begging for recognition and jewish stars and cards from the Nazis.

We should have our own recognition process and we should be working to search out those lost to the holocaust of the past 500 years, to reteach and to rebuild our nation. Instead we scratch and fight for crumbs from the oppressors table. We have 100,000,000 Indians south of the border, on the reservation called Mexico, who mostly have been brainwashed into thinking they are not Indian. That border is there to keep them on the reservation and to keep Indians from retaking Turtle Island.

So I say lets spend our energy rebuilding our Indian nation, reteaching Indians people who no longer see themselves as Indians because of brainwashing by whites, welcoming people who have reawakened on their own to their Indian roots. We live in a time of awakening and homecoming.. Lets celebrate and be positive.

Is there a lot of confusion and ignorance as we re-awaken. Yes, I'd say this is true of all Indian people. White people came here with the intention of killing our culture and knowledge and were largely successful. So we are in a remembering process. Just because one person or community is 20 or 30 years ahead of another person or tribe, is no reason to be smug about it. Yes, there are phonies looking at their Indianness for their own personal self gain. But we have all adopted selfish white ways as norm because we no long get our needs met via the natural family and tribal system which keeps us healed and focused on other's needs and not our own needs. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones and we all now live in glass houses. Until we again live in real tribal communities where the needs of the family are met via the community we will all continue to live in the white mans glass houses.

If any of you are really serious about your Indianness we are building tribal communities in VA with internal economies, family, ceremony at the center. Lets rebuild our tribal nation our way, getting into the substance and out of the fluff.

Renegade

[Joe's Dad]

Flutemaker:

There are a lot of tribes in the Southeast that have received state recognition in the past 50 years. In VA and NC alone have close to 15 tribes that would have no recognition at all if there was not for state recognition received in the past couple of decades. And there are tens of thousands of people with claims to significant Indian ancestry with no recognition. Like you I sometimes question the validity of any kind of recognition from the white man. My attitude typically is F their recogition. Imagine Hitler had won WWI and 200 years later you have jews begging for recognition and jewish stars and cards from the Nazis.

We should have our own recognition process and we should be working to search out those lost to the holocaust of the past 500 years, to reteach and to rebuild our nation. Instead we scratch and fight for crumbs from the oppressors table. We have 100,000,000 Indians south of the border, on the reservation called Mexico, who mostly have been brainwashed into thinking they are not Indian. That border is there to keep them on the reservation and to keep Indians from retaking Turtle Island.

So I say lets spend our energy rebuilding our Indian nation, reteaching Indians people who no longer see themselves as Indians because of brainwashing by whites, welcoming people who have reawakened on their own to their Indian roots. We live in a time of awakening and homecoming.. Lets celebrate and be positive.

Is there a lot of confusion and ignorance as we re-awaken. Yes, I'd say this is true of all Indian people. White people came here with the intention of killing our culture and knowledge and were largely successful. So we are in a remembering process. Just because one person or community is 20 or 30 years ahead of another person or tribe, is no reason to be smug about it. Yes, there are phonies looking at their Indianness for their own personal self gain. But we have all adopted selfish white ways as norm because we no long get our needs met via the natural family and tribal system which keeps us healed and focused on other's needs and not our own needs. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones and we all now live in glass houses. Until we again live in real tribal communities where the needs of the family are met via the community we will all continue to live in the white mans glass houses.

If any of you are really serious about your Indianness we are building tribal communities in VA with internal economies, family, ceremony at the center. Lets rebuild our tribal nation our way, getting into the substance and out of the fluff.

Renegade

This is a lot of writing for not too many to read. Most people don't read threads like this. Start a new thread in the Native Life forum with this message to see what responses you'll receive.

[DANCINGEAGLE]

Getting back to the original topic, the Cheroenhaka Nottoway are really not a tribe. They are a group of people trying to legetimize themselves by saying that they are ndn. Just a few years ago, the "tribe" split because some of the people did not agree with the views of the "chief". The ones that split are now calling themselves something else. The rest of the people are trying to get recognition in VA. It has only been in the past 8-10 years that they came together and said that they were ndn.

[Renegade]

Dancingeagle:

What I am speaking of is the original topic. It was the topic before this thread was started and before you joined powwow.com and before were born and before your parents and grandparents were born all the way back to 1492.

How do you define a real tribe? I can assure you it not what we called tribes prior to 1492. Name me some tribes in the US that operate based upon true tribal principals? In fact name me some true tribal organizing principals? Most Indians no long even know what true tribal principals are. It is easy to call oneself a tribe, or to be recognized by white people as tribes. But what do white people know about tribes. Some people say that the Federally recognized Indians on the rez are the real tribes. But reservations were created to kill tribalism and Indianism. So is this the place to look to see what a true tribe is? This is not a criticism of tribes or tribes on reservations but a statement of sad fact. How many tribes still operate on the principals of tribalism and how many are just Industrial Age bureaucracies? There is a lot of confusion regarding what tribalism is and many Indians themselves are confused.

Knowing the Nottoway personally, I can say that they are as tribal as any other Indian people. I say what I am speaking of, that you are trying to ignore, is the original issue. And much of what it being written on this thread is pure speculation out of ignorance. I do NOT agree with how the Nottoway has approached reorganization!! But everyone must chose their own path and accept the consequences of that path. I can say, based upon personal knowledge, that the Nottoway have "significant" Nottoway Indian ancestry.

[FluteMaker]

Dancingeagle:

What I am speaking of is the original topic. It was the topic before this thread was started and before you joined powwow.com and before were born and before your parents and grandparents were born all the way back to 1492.

How do you define a real tribe? I can assure you it not what we called tribes prior to 1492. Name me some tribes in the US that operate based upon true tribal principals? In fact name me some true tribal organizing principals? Most Indians no long even know what true tribal principals are. It is easy to call oneself a tribe, or to be recognized by white people as tribes. But what do white people know about tribes. Some people say that the Federally recognized Indians on the rez are the real tribes. But reservations were created to kill tribalism and Indianism. So is this the place to look to see what a true tribe is? This is not a criticism of tribes or tribes on reservations but a statement of sad fact. How many tribes still operate on the principals of tribalism and how many are just Industrial Age bureaucracies? There is a lot of confusion regarding what tribalism is and many Indians themselves are confused.

Knowing the Nottoway personally, I can say that they are as tribal as any other Indian people. I say what I am speaking of, that you are trying to ignore, is the original issue. And much of what it being written on this thread is pure speculation out of ignorance. I do NOT agree with how the Nottoway has approached reorganization!! But everyone must chose their own path and accept the consequences of that path. I can say, based upon personal knowledge, that the Nottoway have "significant" Nottoway Indian ancestry.

this brings up a new question, how can a tribe be truely soverign if we have to beg permission to exist and follow laws implimented by an outside entity?

tribes can only have casinos after the US government gives the ok,

ndn people can have eagle feathers if they have a permit from the feds

the feds hold our lands in trust

the feds hold (and 'misplace' )our monies in trust

and the list goes on and on.

[DANCINGEAGLE]

Dancingeagle:

What I am speaking of is the original topic. It was the topic before this thread was started and before you joined powwow.com and before were born and before your parents and grandparents were born all the way back to 1492.

How do you define a real tribe? I can assure you it not what we called tribes prior to 1492. Name me some tribes in the US that operate based upon true tribal principals? In fact name me some true tribal organizing principals? Most Indians no long even know what true tribal principals are. It is easy to call oneself a tribe, or to be recognized by white people as tribes. But what do white people know about tribes. Some people say that the Federally recognized Indians on the rez are the real tribes. But reservations were created to kill tribalism and Indianism. So is this the place to look to see what a true tribe is? This is not a criticism of tribes or tribes on reservations but a statement of sad fact. How many tribes still operate on the principals of tribalism and how many are just Industrial Age bureaucracies? There is a lot of confusion regarding what tribalism is and many Indians themselves are confused.

Knowing the Nottoway personally, I can say that they are as tribal as any other Indian people. I say what I am speaking of, that you are trying to ignore, is the original issue. And much of what it being written on this thread is pure speculation out of ignorance. I do NOT agree with how the Nottoway has approached reorganization!! But everyone must chose their own path and accept the consequences of that path. I can say, based upon personal knowledge, that the Nottoway have "significant" Nottoway Indian ancestry.

You keep mentioning 1492. In 1492, Columbus was lost at sea. The history books don't mention that.

However, is it ancestery or true bloodline? My wife's ancesters were from Britain, but, that does not make her British. The bloodline has been weened out. So, there is a difference.