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  • crazywolf
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    Originally posted by Mato Winyan

    We laugh at how Western European cultures "go to church," as if God can meet them only in that building. After a lengthy discussion of what they want to agree on in prayer, their leader will raise his voice, as if God wasn't there listening already, and explain it all to God again. After the ritual begging has had the proper sequencing and invocations, the people believe that it was properly prayed for. They feel better, because without that assurance, they would believe that God had not heard them yet. Lakhota can't understand how anyone could believe that Grandfather is not constantly aware of us and what we think and do. I suppose only your Santa Claus, when he is coming to town, is that omniscient.

    newt

    I like that part. Like darn, I have been doing it all wrong all along! I need to pray through the "CHAIN OF COMMAND"!

    Fah, if I need to tell something to Creator, I go ahead and do it, I dont care if anyone is listening when I do either, although they might think it strange. And then if He has to tell me something, I darn sure hear it, again... witnesses think I am strange. Oh well. I am not out to impress them, there are more important things to life.

    Derek

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  • Blackbear
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    They say things like:
    "The Hodenosaunee, whom the Europeans called Iroquois, consisted of five original tribes. It was their governmental system, designed by Deganawida that formed the basis of the United States Constitution. It was Deganawida’s system of wisdom and social order, based on a matriarchy, that gave our founding fathers the basis for the system. As you can see, this was one of the interesting things, completely plausible, yes?"

    Badly worded but yeah, plausible because for the most part it's true. The Founding Fathers' did borrow from our governmental structure to start what white's know as democracy today. But they left the important role of women out of theirs. It's not a completly matriarchal system or the men would'nt have a voice to offer, nor would they be the ones to represent the words of our clanmothers who in turn represent the voices of the people. Even the US constitution was modeled after our constitution but written to suit their needs. The rest of it is a pretty darn good article there...

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  • Mato Winyan
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    We laugh at how Western European cultures "go to church," as if God can meet them only in that building. After a lengthy discussion of what they want to agree on in prayer, their leader will raise his voice, as if God wasn't there listening already, and explain it all to God again. After the ritual begging has had the proper sequencing and invocations, the people believe that it was properly prayed for. They feel better, because without that assurance, they would believe that God had not heard them yet. Lakhota can't understand how anyone could believe that Grandfather is not constantly aware of us and what we think and do. I suppose only your Santa Claus, when he is coming to town, is that omniscient.

    Returning to the explanation of medicine, it is important to know that taking medicines that are not meant for you could seriously harm you. Just as people have different blood types, and different bio-chemistry, we can't all take the same medicine. Each medicine must be mixed to the needs of the individual, at the time of medication.

    For example, acetomenophrine (Tylenol) has no impact on my headaches, but plain old asprin works great. The aspirin doesn't bother my stomach either. I know people who are the opposite. Aspirin make them sick in the stomach, and acetomenophrine works great. I hope all can see this point. Some medications are meant for women, and some only for mothers. Some medicines are meant only for men. Some medicines are meant only for workers in a certain trade.

    Looking from the bilogical example of the right medicine for the right time, to the concept of the medicine adapted to fit the person at the moment of treatment, we come to the preparedness of the patient to receive the medicine. A patient may be too week to take some strong medicines, e.g., a cancer patient must be otherwise healthy to start chemotherapy. Only a cancer patient should ever undergo chemotherapy. Even with that set of treatments, the doctors must mix and tune the mixture ratios of the input chemicals to create the drug slurry to be used for treatment. Only very experienced doctors should be allowed to mix medicine.


    I have studied the religions that aging white hippies left to form the Rainbow Tribe. Jesus, in his parable of the preparation for the wedding, when some took care to bring extra oil and wicks, and the groom was
    late, and the wedding started late... it meant that the preparations of one canot be given to another.

    The Lakhota Way cannot be grafted onto someone else, who lacks the culture. The spirit speaks within a cultural setting. Pretending to understand how we don't have a word for "late" doesn't mean that you understand our perspective on time. So when you hear a teaching on the Red Road version of time, you hear with ears that first are white, then western European, and then, you might remember to try to imagine not even caring about time on a watch, but the time of the universe as it aligns with events and motions, attuning us to where and what we should be as the universe unfolds.

    The Rainbow people are presumptuous to claim that only by taking our Red Nations religions and cultures can they, who feel some kind of pain, find relief. To my ears, I next expect them to claim that only by taking our wives, our sisters, and daughters can the Rainbow Tribe find peace. And when that
    doesn't work, will they come back to take our sons, and the next time ask for the shirts off our backs?

    We do not attack you. We do not reject you. I am saying that my life will not fit you. My skin and my blood are for me to wear. I cannot wear my cousin's skin and blood, and neither can you. You have your own skin and blood to wear.

    Grandfather gave you the genetic code you live in. Are you telling Grandfather that you know better than he does, and what life and culture you were sprouted in? We Lakhota would not presume to tell Grandfather how he should run his universe, or that he made a mistake with how he created and endowed us as individuals.

    You must have your own connection to the eternal center of the universe, that does not flow through anyone else, or through a textbook. You cannot nurture your soul by sucking our religion through the filters of our lives. Go directly to the source, and suck on the unfiltered purity of it. Only by doing that will you have the nurturing that is specifically mixed to feed you and your situational needs for that moment, and to help you through the events of that moment.

    Also, prophesy is for the weak. You worry about the future, so that it will distract you from how you are not whole in the present. How can anyone be whole in the future, if they have not found how to be whole in some present? At some point, the running away inside has to stop, and the sitting still must begin, or you will never be whole in the future.

    I care little about the future or predictions / guesses about it. I care deeply about this moment, each beat of my heart, measuring a path through the universe, of which time is a little part.

    You might do well to understand how we see you, and your fight with us to get inside our family circles. If you really wanted to marry a certain woman, and she, and her whole family didn't want you around, do you have the right to force yourself into their family and tell them how they should open up and change to accomodate you? If you said yes, then you are a rapist.

    Nobody has a right to force themselves into a group, and then demand the religion and culture open and/or change for them.

    Nobody has a right to come into a community and see that they have nice houses, and good cars, and then say, "You must share with us. We will come into your private areas, and rifle through everything, taking anything we like, and if you say anything, then you are a bad person, and selfish."

    Please! Listen carefully. If you do not have sickle-cell anemia, taking medicine meant for that group will damage your liver. If you are not diabetic, stay away from insulin injections.

    By the same token, the spiritual medicine mixed and blended with our cultures and then changed and "dialed-in" for each individual in our Way, cannot be taken and used by you and others, without grave risk of harm. We Lakhota do not take spiritual medicine meant even for a cousin. We stick to our own source and supply.

    You must understand that it is for your own good that we do not share. If Grandfather wants you to know something, he will make sure that you find the knowledge. If he wants you to do something, he will provide the opportunity and strength to accomplish it.

    You do not need any Red Nation for you to find your path with the universe. It would be a weak and incompetent God that would have to rely on a chain of humans to provide you with the means to take care of your day.

    Your culture of heirarchical corporate and military structure tell you that you must seek a teacher to learn the topic. I am here to tell you that we Lakhota know that is not true. Christians say that God has no grandchildren, meaning that each person must "work out their own salvation with fear and trembling." Each person must make their own connection to the divine creator.

    Herman Hesse, in his autobiographical novel SIDHARTHA, went through religion after religion, looking for true enlightenment. He finally found it when he, like the Budha, sat by a stream / river, and listened for a long long time. Closing out the world, and cares and worries, and really r e a l l y listening.

    You don't need to borrow anyone's religion. Sit down, quit running away, and listen with your whole heart and mind and spirit. Stop talking and listen. Stop distracting yourself with worries of the future, and listen to Grandfather and Earth Mother. Stop worrying about helping others, until the chaos inside you is a peaceful well of confidence, saturated in the presence of Grandfather, and attuned to his time table and time scale.

    Blessings on your path,

    newt

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  • Mato Winyan
    started a topic Thoughts on the Red Road vs. Rainbow Tribe Way

    Thoughts on the Red Road vs. Rainbow Tribe Way

    This is a letter I received from a person that I have permission to post here. This is a result of a discussion on a group on the net. It was started because a person came on the site and posted a "prophesy" by the Rainbow Tribe. I felt that this man explained things extremely well without attacking as has been happening here. I also feel that because of those attacks that many did not hear what those people were trying to say. I appreciated his points and his effort. That's why I asked if I could share with you here as I feel we all would do well by hearing his words. Not only did he give me permission to do this he wrote more for us here. The title of this is mine not his.. I couldn't think of a better one. *lol* I hope you appriciate his effort. ~mato



    Hau,

    Here it is... I hope they listen this time.

    newt


    Hau, and Hello,

    My public name is Newton Love, but go by newt. I walk the Red Road in the Lakhota Way, as I learned to from my family. I am mixed blood and have no authority to speak for anyone but myself.

    Frequently, there are people who try to play Indian. They are usually white people who seek "enlightenment." Since the 1960s, the numbers of them have increased, and a lot of them have formed a "Rainbow Tribe" of "Rainbow Warriors" who are braves for peace and all that stuff.

    They love prophesies and seek prophets to say what they want to hear. They like to root through cultures taking bits and pieces from various nations, and by mixing them together, they make a heady hodge-podge of the over 2,000 Red Nations culture and religions and then try to encode it with Pagan and Wiccan mysticism into the Doctrine and Covenants of their new-age religion. They seek ectasy and visions, so that they would feel that their life has a meaning and purpose.

    They say things like:
    "The Hodenosaunee, whom the Europeans called Iroquois, consisted of five original tribes. It was their governmental system, designed by Deganawida that formed the basis of the United States Constitution. It was Deganawida’s system of wisdom and social order, based on a matriarchy, that gave our founding fathers the basis for the system. As you can see, this was one of the interesting things, completely plausible, yes?"

    That would be a surprise to Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, and all the other 1776 Founding Fathers of the USA. I can see how much they believed in matriarchal societies, since the 19th Amendment to the US Constitution, giving women the right to vote, took effect on August 26, 1920. Perhaps USA giving women the right to vote came from them looking to other countries that did it before them, and not the Red Nations that they had enslaved on the Rez. Finland (1906) and Norway (1913) were the first European countries to grant woman suffrage. New Zealand granted it in 1893, Australia in 1902, Canada in 1917. The former Soviet Union gave women the vote in 1917.

    They say things like:
    "This is where the indigenous people will help. In their genetic memory they hold the
    knowledge of the original teachings. The Cogi in South America, the Hopi of the
    Southwest and other nations that were here before the tragic intrusion of
    Columbus, still remember and can teach us. It is only through edification of the
    Rainbow Peoples by the Red Nations, that those who feel the Mother's pain as I
    do can be helped."

    These new-age Rainbow People feel pain for many things. I believe that their tears are real, even if they come from self-inflicted wounds. They have not found solace in the religions of their own people, and so they think that the answers must be found in the religions that they have not yet tried on. They seek to try our Way. They tell themselves that this new Way will work, and foment themselves into a euphoric expectation of how it will be their salvation from sorrow, and bring meaning to their lives.

    They say things like:
    "I hope for others of the Rainbow People to see the teachings of the Lakota by White Calf Woman and others, and perhaps those of the Lakota who wished to, could look and speak what their heart feels. As a man who seeks the truth, I was hoping for some discussion about many things included in it."
    and:
    "As one of the rainbow people, I always seek to speak about these stumbling blocks with someone of the Red Nations, to sort through and clarify the many and various things that cloud my path. I have always looked inward to my heart and outward to the Peoples to find where the truth lies."
    and:
    I hope you can see I do not attempt to change the belief of the Red Nations, but to gain what knowledge I can from the wisdom that has held the People together these past few centuries, since the white man intruded on your lands, and upon your True way of life.

    We are all relations. Even so, not all relations can live together.

    You try to change our belief that sharing our religion with you would be bad. There are really important reasons why most of the Red Nations resist your attempts to draw near and learn. You think it is because we are selfish, and keep secrets from you. This in not true; it is merely your misinterpretation of our actions. You think, "If I were to behave like that, I would be..." and therein lies your most fundamental mistake: y o u a r e n o t u s . You lack our culture, and so can't possibly understand what motivates us to remain silent. We won't share, because allowing you to mix parts of our Way with other Red Nation Ways, is very likely to cause more harm and pain for you in the future.

    To the [DLN]akhota, religion is as private as our sex lives. We do not discuss those topics in an open forum. even so, I will try to explain why we turn you away, in simple terms that perhaps have not been used before. I know this same message has been spoken several times to the Rainbow People, and it has been ignored. Perhaps my simple minded words can explain it in a way that might be heard. I hope so.

    Saying that only if the Red Nations open up and teach you our secrets, will you find relief from the pain that you feel about how the world is, how your job is, and everything. You believe that if you conduct a scavenger hunt through the Indian religions, that you will be able to gather enough symbols and rituals to build a pan-universal religion that would unify truth, and bring peace and harmony to your wandering and unhappy spirits.

    This shows how your do not understand the Red Road. We cannot provide you with what you seek. Grandfather is the only source. Religion is based on faith, which is a powerful medicine, capable of miracles. Faith must have roots, deep into Grandfather, or what you think is faith is vain hope. Deeply rooted faith is a powerful thing.

    That is why we call our priests "medicine men." Please do not insult us by calling them shaman. Shaman means "priest of the Ural-Altaic peoples," probably via German Schamane, from Russian shaman, from Tungus shaman, which is perhaps from Chinese sha men "Buddhist monk," from Prakrit samaya-, from Sanskrit sramana-s "Buddhist ascetic." No Indians in that list at all.

    Medicines are made to treat each patient. A doctor might say "Take four pills a day for the first week, then two pills a day for two weeks, then one pill a day for four weeks." This tapered dosage is made to give the right amount of medicine to treat the problem. After you don't have that problem, the doctor and you would not continue to treat you for it. Also, a doctor might prescribe a different strength of medicine for a child than for an adult.

    It is with how we Lakhota understand medicine. Grandfather, through his power spirit, and his messengers, the spirit guides, bring the medicine and nutrition needed by a person's spirit, for each moment of their lives. Someone just a few days after a death of a loved one, or just after a messy divorce will be ready to learn some lessons that they were not expecting. Years later, after they have moved through their grief, they may again renew their joy and learn new lessons. The lessons they learned just after the tragedy do not need to be learned again.

    So it is with our religion. Each person is their own receptical, to catch and hold the spiritual medicine poured on them. It is medicine made for them, on that day, for that minute/second. It is enough to last until the next prayer, which is only a breath away.

    Here again is a fundamental difference. Western European cultures belive that prayer is talking, and asking God for things, or to solve a problem. Hail Mary's and Our Fathers become incantations that are chanted as if they are a magic spell that would control the cosmos. Christians don't use the Catholic prayers, but develop their own ritual phrases that they repeat in voiced patterns that they use only for "praying" so that they to can bind on earth what is bound in heaven. Talk, talk, talk.

    Lakhota see prayer as listening, with a little talking. A better explanation would be that if you are cold, and you sit by a fire, you can soak in the warmth. Since the side away from the fire is cold, you turn to warm your back, and all sides, in the warmth of the fire. Lakhota prayer is a time of immersion of our individual being into the presence of Grandfather. Given enough time, saturation occurs, which transforms the individual. That is why we believe that prayer must be continual.



    to be continued........

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