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    is the issue of wannabes,fakes, culture vultures etc.... important to you, yes or no
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  • #2
    yes but is the issue that important to me to have more than one thread about it? No.
    Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.sigpic

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    • #3
      you know i think it is, people saying things they do not know about, people making things and saying they are authentic or implying it. it all hurts us in some way no matter what people say. i am sure you know that as well as i do being that you make such beautiful things, and i give much respect for you that you only will make ceremonial or spriitual objects with proof of affiliation. good for you.
      A LABYRINTH OF FINGERS POINTING BLAME

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      • #4
        Let rafiki say acunamata!
        Last edited by rafiki; 06-29-2006, 11:07 AM.
        Follow Rafiki! He know da' way!

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        • #5
          ain't no passing craze........
          Originally posted by rafiki
          Let rafiki say acunamata!
          A LABYRINTH OF FINGERS POINTING BLAME

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Migiziwomen
            ain't no passing craze........
            It means no worries for the rest of your days.......
            SHAKE IT!!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Migiziwomen
              ain't no passing craze........
              Originally posted by Singing Otter
              It means no worries for the rest of your days.......
              It's our problem-free philosophy..

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              • #8
                Hakuna matata--------------- had to finish the song did'nt I? LOL
                Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.sigpic

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blackbear
                  Hakuna matata--------------- had to finish the song did'nt I? LOL
                  "HAKUNA MATATA"..."HAKUNA MATATA"..."HAKUNA MATATA"................

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                  • #10
                    is the issue of wannabes,ect important to you?

                    There is more to this question than what you are asking. For example:
                    1) Who will set the standard ?
                    2) What is your decription of the wannabe,fake and ect.
                    3) Should the majority disagree with the one sitting the standards what then?
                    See this is not a cut and dried situation. I have seen have bloods and 3/4 bloods that did not know their own heritage. I have seen 1/8 bloods that really studied to learn their heritage. So who is the fake and who is the wannabes. Don't get me wrong it does make a difference to me, however, I am not attempting to make and sell any thing. I buy from those that I know and trust to sell the true items. If my words hurt anyones feelings that was not my intent. Only to think in more than one direction as the ancestors would what me to. In Cherokee history William Thomas was made chief of the Nation. He was a white man. Was he a fake or a wannabe?


                    ~2 Trails~

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                    • #11
                      yes it is important...

                      what I think of it is that its just plain wrong....no questions asked....they should not even think of doing!....but thats just me....I don't know what others think.....
                      "LETS CELEBRATE THE HOUSE OF HAPPINESS, THE HOUSE OF LONG LIFE, AND WALK ON THE TRAIL OF BEAUTY"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kiowakat
                        is the issue of wannabes,fakes, culture vultures etc.... important to you, yes or no
                        Hey, Kat!

                        What's important to me is how the powwow went-ayyyyyyee!

                        Ya'll got any pictures yet?

                        Gimme the low down when you get a chance. I know its been a helluva Summer back home... I wondered how everybody is holding up...

                        Yer buddy Sam
                        Because of our treaty status, the distinction of being 'Cherokee' is a status of citizenship, not a racial issue.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kiowakat
                          culture vultures
                          Never heard this term before, but I love it!

                          WARNING: This has turned into one of my rants (although, it's rather short. Had to cut it off due to the fact that I can go on for pages). The word 'injun' is used to make fun of white people who use the term, not Indians (in case it's read the wrong way).

                          Yeah, it's a bit of an issue with me. Not just in terms of the Native American culture, but in many other things. Little ****-for-brains teeny boppers who call themselves Wiccan or Witches, crystal-toters, those ignorant dorks at book stores who put books on ancient Pagan beliefs in the 'New Age' section, and other such "spiritualist" wannabes make people who are actually very wise, spiritual, and centered (or are aiming to reach that point) look like jackazzes.
                          I have a genuine interest in Native American culture. However, due to the fact that I'm white, and many of the whiteys before me have said: "HI MY NAME IS PASTY MCWHITERSON SMITH AND I'M 2% INDIAN. I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT INJUN CULTURE, LOL, I JUST LIKE HAVING THE NOVELTY OF BEING ABLE TO SAY I'M PART INDIAN. THAT MEANS YOU'LL ACCEPT ME INTO YOUR GROUP, RIGHT?!?!?!?!!!" makes people like me who don't pretend to want to be Indian out of respect lose some serious credibility. I'm stereotyped as just another cracker buying a fluffy dream catcher that says "Made in China" somewhere on it from some cheesy giftstore.

                          So, in short, yes, it bothers me.
                          Last edited by NightshadeTea; 09-24-2006, 01:10 AM.
                          ~Like a true ninja, you'll never see me working~

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                          • #14
                            My grandmother was full Choctaw (Oklahoma) but didn't want to talk about it. She considered it "a bad thing" to be Indian because of the prejudices she suffered in her youth. Much was lost because of this. My family has spent a great deal of time and effort learning about our heritage. We have "rediscovered" our heritage in the past 20 years and take great pride in it. My daughter is Choctaw, Cahuilla (Torris-Martinez band) and Euro-mutt. She was born on the res, and we lived there for several years. She dances at the Powwows, and as a child had a hard time understanding why the cowboys were always chasing the Indians in the movies. My mother looks Indian, and so does my daughter, but my sisters and I look white. Would we be more Indian if we looked more indigenous? Does Indian blood skip a generation in cases like this? I get really tired of being told that I'm not Indian because I don't look like it. It is more often the Euro-mutt non-Indians that want to point out to me that I don't look Indian, therefore I can't be Indian. What's up with that? Sorry about the rant - but I too needed to vent on this topic.
                            tend to the little things in life, for you may look back and see that they were the big things

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                            • #15
                              [QUOTE=just_kitty]"My grandmother was full Choctaw (Oklahoma) but didn't want to talk about it."
                              I know what you are talking about here. I am Mississippi Band Choctaw on my mother's side. My mother never talked about it until I started asking questions as a teen. I married a full-blood, well 50-50 and fortunately our son "looks NDN" except for his curly baby hair. Now my family is very proud and my mother is starting to tell the stories again. But we are not living in the depression anymore like her father who didn't tell the stories very often. And to him it was about survival, pass for white and you eat. As for looking white, I do too and my sister doesn't. That is just the way the genes work. Sometimes people think I am a wannabe and then they get to know me and don't think that anymore. People are always judging books by their covers. Can't change that. Usually the people who tell me that I do not look NDN are not NDN and I ask them, "do you know a lot of NDNs?" They say no and I say, "then how do you know what we look like."
                              So to answer the original question. The issue is important to me but I agree with just kitty here, you can't always tell how deeply rooted in Native heratige a person is just by looking at them. And both Natives and Non-Native are guilty of this.

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