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  • #91
    Haven't we learned our lesson about letting reservation agents write things and just signing them?? :)
    Come together, right now....Over me.

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    • #92
      What are you talking about? The person themselves would sign it, not the agents. It's a standard form not a written agreement. I have an idea on what you are talking about, but that really is totally different then what this was. This is someone who wants to obtain their Eagle and it's a standard form for everyone, not a form sent out that says that you will give up something on the res in return for that service.

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      • #93
        It was a joke. I hate it when people over analyse things.
        Come together, right now....Over me.

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        • #94
          Young man, I am a long way out of high School and at the time that I read your post I was under the weather and confused. Don't talk to me about over analysing anything unless you really want me to analyse something and I could.

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          • #95
            I meant no disrespect, but if you have something to say, go ahead
            Come together, right now....Over me.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by timmy tiger View Post
              Young man, I am a long way out of high School and at the time that I read your post I was under the weather and confused. Don't talk to me about over analysing anything unless you really want me to analyse something and I could.
              Originally posted by nativeproud View Post
              It was a joke. I hate it when people over analyse things.
              Originally posted by timmy tiger View Post
              What are you talking about? The person themselves would sign it, not the agents. It's a standard form not a written agreement. I have an idea on what you are talking about, but that really is totally different then what this was. This is someone who wants to obtain their Eagle and it's a standard form for everyone, not a form sent out that says that you will give up something on the res in return for that service.
              Originally posted by nativeproud View Post
              Haven't we learned our lesson about letting reservation agents write things and just signing them?? :)
              Originally posted by nativeproud View Post
              I meant no disrespect, but if you have something to say, go ahead
              Here are the forms I posted on this thread you dont anyone to help you fill them out you just fill them out and send them in and a few years later you have feathers and the documents to back them up
              Easy peesy

              Forms: http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-15.pdf
              http://www.fws.gov/permits/forms/eaglereligious.pdf

              Website: U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Home
              ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏩᎩ - Anigiduwagi
              Till I Die!

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              • #97
                Josiah: Thanks I really needed those forms for a friend. Some people aren't sure until they actually see the documents, so they ask me to look at them first. One of my friends is wanting me to get these for them and give them to them this weekend. That's great and very helpful. Thanks again. I will pass them on.

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                • #98
                  Like I said, say what you have to say timmy tiger.
                  Come together, right now....Over me.

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                  • #99
                    [QUOTE=billyjoejimbob;844415]Not a racist remark, just an observation. It seems that (from my POV) the people with less NDN blood to none are the ones who speak about things the most when it comes to certain things, especially when they shouldn't.[QUOTE]

                    You know billyjoejimbob, I heard an Indian Elder say the same thing at a pow-wow. She said that it's the mixed bloods that raise sand and complain about other people who want to embrace their Indian heritage and BELONG.
                    "Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is not a path and leave a trail."---Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                    • At least 19 bald eagles die in Alaska

                      yahoo site: At least 19 bald eagles die in Alaska - Yahoo! News

                      People, industry, profit - kill eagles. The by - products of people and the present day (and accumulated past industrial societies) kill eagles.

                      People with no respect kill eagles, hawk, badgers, ermine, and all kinds of living four footed, two footed creatures - for no better reason than the human is uncaring about themselves, the natural world, and the creature they kill. When I see senseless death, I think of what my elders spoke to me... 'what goes around comes around'... we are going to get back all the disrespect we feed out to the world.

                      A couple of years ago, I felt supremely blessed to have seen a golden eagle that had been killed by a fast semi... and I picked up it poor broken body. It was beautiful and I wept for its death. Only a few days before I had seen this same eagle flying over the Yellowstone River.

                      Greed and disrespect have put into place the the whole idea behinid the repository. And as the pitiful human beings are in this present day world, we cannot govern ourself and the natural world to the natural world's benefit.

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                      • Eagles are sacred and...

                        Absolutely Gorgeous,

                        Hope you are doing great!
                        We don´t kill eagles, we respect eagles. Eagles are sacred to us...
                        You said it: ...industry, profit, business... -Indeed, nasty and sad.
                        We, indians, whichever tribe we can be, love and respect eagles and all kind of living creatures... When an eagle (or other little brother is dead), we perform a ceremony for its spirit, to receive the gifts of its precious soul... We don´t kill, (real indians, of course),-except for those brothers that are in far away places from the big cities and need to eat and survive in those hostile lands- ...the teachings from our Ancestors are always in our hearts. When a guy comes to us selling eagle feathers or deer leather, etc., (usually in a dance ceremony), we already know he or she is a killer and in my case I warn him/her about the wrong thing of killing and accuse them to the Human Society of Protection for the Endangered Species... then I get an enemy, but I don´t care. ---In a ceremonial race through the mountains, we found on the road a beautiful dead brown eagle, it was perfect, no wounds or blood... we made a sacred prayer to this eagle, we made songs, we asked permission to take respectfully just few feathers from its wings (like ten), later we buried this great brown Eagle near a lovely tree...tears of love, gratitude and good-bye were in our eyes... we kept running with our precious treasure. --That´s the best way we should get sacred Eagle feathers. ---We, the First People don´t care about money issues... we don´t care for the material world... We care about Love and Respect for all living things on the Earth, we care for our People and the values and traditions from the Ancestors, we care about Peace and Dignity, Honour and Indian Pride. ---Truly Yours from The Great Tenochtitlan, Cuetzpallincihuatl.
                        Cuetzpallincihuatl, the Aztec Indian.

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                        • Blessed

                          Dear Cuetzpallincihuatl,

                          Sincerely and Deeply I thank you for your words. Thank You for sharing your powerful story also.

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                          • Interesting because I did'nt know that eagles played any part in Aztec culture.

                            I'm sure you know though that when you find an eagle carcass that you are supposed to contact fish and game so that it might go to the repository to determine what it died from.

                            If it was shot or poisoned, then it helps in their investigation to prosecute the people who would do that to eagles. Also by taking a few feathers and burying it, not only made your feathers prosecutable, and could make it look as if you are a poacher to fish and game...

                            but you also buried many feathers and parts that through the repository would have gone to many or one person who has been waiting patiently for their feathers that they applied for. A perfect carcass in tact like that would have been well recieved and what was'nt used disposed of in the traditions of the people that recieved it.

                            It's also a shame that fish and game did'nt have the chance to determine if it was male or female in case of nesting season as well to see if there were chicks or eggs orphaned that could have been rescued. I mean not everythign you find dead at your feet is a gift from the creator but more of a call to attention that something has gone wrong and needs to be examined before more fall.
                            Last edited by Blackbear; 01-17-2008, 06:20 PM.
                            Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.sigpic

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                            • Thanks for...

                              My Dear Blackbear, ---Jan. 18, 2008. ---Tenochtitlan.

                              Hope you are doing great at Home!
                              It´s so interesting all what you just told me and I appreciate your comment. --An Eagle holding a snake is in the middle of the Mexican Flag, the same Eagle is in every coin and bill.
                              --Our Last Great Lord of The Word, Cuauhtemoctzin (Eagle from the Sky)-(1521)- is with us in our Aztec Traditions. His teachings, his braveness against Hernan Cortes, his Honour and Dignity being tortured to confess were The Moctecuzoma Treasure was and his silence even the humilliations and pain to preserve just for us the treasure is what guided the Aztecs to fight untill the last drop of blood. -We, The Aztecs, have The Treasure...!! -Here in Mexico, deep inside in the mountains there is no a control of anything, just woods, rivers, rocks, caves, etc... (we were in a sacred work), no towns either people... So, we did what we had to do with all the respect for our Eagle and probably it was dead because it was the time to rest. --- Have a warm hug from The Great Tenochtitlan. -- Truly yours,
                              ---Cuetzpallincihuatl.
                              Cuetzpallincihuatl, the Aztec Indian.

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                              • Originally posted by Blackbear View Post
                                Interesting because I did'nt know that eagles played any part in Aztec culture.

                                I'm sure you know though that when you find an eagle carcass that you are supposed to contact fish and game so that it might go to the repository to determine what it died from.

                                If it was shot or poisoned, then it helps in their investigation to prosecute the people who would do that to eagles. Also by taking a few feathers and burying it, not only made your feathers prosecutable, and could make it look as if you are a poacher to fish and game...

                                but you also buried many feathers and parts that through the repository would have gone to many or one person who has been waiting patiently for their feathers that they applied for. A perfect carcass in tact like that would have been well recieved and what was'nt used disposed of in the traditions of the people that recieved it.

                                It's also a shame that fish and game did'nt have the chance to determine if it was male or female in case of nesting season as well to see if there were chicks or eggs orphaned that could have been rescued. I mean not everythign you find dead at your feet is a gift from the creator but more of a call to attention that something has gone wrong and needs to be examined before more fall.
                                BB...I'm not sure they deal with feathers in Mexico as they do here. Not even sure there is a repository. From what I've learned from my friends from Tacuba, Mexico, eagles don't have the same significance to them as they do up here. If i'm not mistaken, the tailfeather of the 'Quetzal' bird is a prized possesion. I was once given four tailfeathers from an eagle found in Mexico called an 'aguila real'. Pretty feathers. I put them on my dancestick. At a lineup for GE once (Cali casino pdub), a couple of those high dollar (lol) dancers saw them and asked if they could see them up close. I still have them on my stick.


                                Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


                                "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

                                Mr. Rossie Freeman

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