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    FROM: _http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096415443_
    (Speaking out on the theft and abuse of spirituality : ICT [2007/07/20])

    Speaking out on the theft and abuse of spirituality

    (javascript:PrintWindow();) Posted: July 20, 2007 by: _Shadi Rahimi_
    (Indian Country Today - Authors)

    SAN FRANCISCO - It was a strange sight, at least in East Los Angeles.

    While walking her dogs recently at Arroyo Seco Park, Marisol
    Crisostomo-Romo, 26, said she spotted a van with a tipi on it. Into it piled a group of
    white children clutching bows and arrows.

    They were members of the five-week-long Camp Shi'ini, ''a Native
    American-themed summer camp'' that is named after ''a Native American word meaning
    'Summer People,''' according to its Web site.

    The 60-year-old camp divides children into nine ''tribes'' and offers
    activities ranging from horseback riding (in the tradition of the Navajo, Comanche
    and Eskimo, its Web site stated) and archery (Mohawk, Seminole and Blackfoot)
    to fishing (Zuni, Iroquois and Apache).

    Crisostomo-Romo, who is Pascua Yaqui, immediately wrote the camp a letter
    and e-mailed 422 people to do the same, beseeching all those ''offended and
    disgusted by cultural exploitation and mainstream society's self-entitlement.''

    Her anger is echoed across the country by Natives who continue to be
    frustrated with what they view as misappropriation and abuse of spiritual and
    cultural practices.

    Similar Native-themed camps, nonprofits, centers, programs, workshops,
    retreats and seminars offered mostly by non-Natives thrive across the country. And
    the number of non-Native people operating as medicine men and shaman - and
    often charging for their services - has only grown despite opposition from
    traditional elders, groups and Native activists.

    ''We don't charge for ceremonies. People with real sicknesses actually go to
    these people; we've heard of these people even taking advantage of women,''
    said Charlie Sitting Bull, 54. ''That's the danger in people being
    misinformed. We battle it all the time.''

    Sitting Bull is a traditional Oglala Lakota from South Dakota who said he is
    a direct descendant of Chief Sitting Bull. He began noticing the misuse of
    Native culture as a teenager, when he first saw a Boy Scout troup ''dressed as
    Indians,'' he said.

    Since then, he has confronted Native and non-Native people falsely claiming
    to be descendants of Chief Sitting Bull and has worked to stop non-Native
    people from charging for spiritual teachings. Most recently, Sitting Bull said
    he prevented a white man from charging to teach Sun Dance songs at a
    Washington state bookstore, which the man had learned from a legitimate medicine man.

    Responding to a request from the medicine man himself, Sitting Bull
    confronted the white man, telling him he could not hold the workshop, and asking for
    a written apology. The man was arrogant, but eventually obliged, he said.

    A non-Native person practicing Native spirituality presents a similar danger
    to all Natives as a Native person who practices but ''isn't clean'' - taking
    drugs or not ''living a good life,'' - Sitting Bull said.

    ''They actually infect us like a sickness,'' he said, referring to both
    scenarios.

    In 1993, a decree passed at an international gathering of 500
    representatives from 40 different tribes and bands of the Lakota, titled the ''Declaration
    of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality,'' stated that immediate
    action be taken to defend Lakota spirituality from ''further contamination,
    desecration and abuse.''

    It detailed what it described as the destruction of sacred traditions,
    reminding Natives of their highest duty - ''to preserve the purity of our precious
    traditions for our future generations, so that our children and our
    children's children will survive and prosper in the sacred manner intended for each
    of our respective peoples by our Creator.''

    Among the ''disgraceful expropriation'' that even then had ''reached
    epidemic proportions in urban areas throughout the country,'' according to the
    leaders, were corporations that charge money for sweat lodges and vision quest
    programs; Sun dances for non-Natives conducted by charlatans; and cult leaders
    and new age people who imitate Lakota ceremonial ways and mix in non-Native
    occult practices.

    The decree urged traditional people, tribal leaders and governing councils
    of all other Indian nations to join ''in calling for an immediate end to this
    rampant exploitation of our respective American Indian sacred traditions.''

    The decree was published in a newsletter, in controversial author Ward
    Churchill's 1994 book ''Indians Are Us? Culture and Genocide in Native North
    America,'' and online.

    Since then, an active stand has been taken by medicine men and traditional
    practitioners even against ''Native healers that are out of line,'' Sitting
    Bull said.

    Responses to the decree from non-Native people on various Web sites explain
    why they engage in Native spiritual practices.

    ''I understand the importance of the statement and feel money is being made
    by the stealing of the traditionalists,'' Mark Montalban wrote. ''I also feel
    that ghosts and spirits can enter your life and give purpose and
    direction.''

    But many Native people disagree, arguing that the appropriation of
    spirituality is not only disrespectful, but also dangerous if practiced incorrectly
    and by non-Natives.

    ''One can study Native culture all they want, but if it's not Native blood
    flowing through their veins then they'll never truly understand those ways and
    how to use them,'' said Anthony Thosh Collins, 25, of the Pima, Osage and
    Seneca-Cayuga tribes. ''I support the use of our Native culture to help heal
    this world, but only through the guidance of one of our own qualified
    elders.''

    The movement against non-Natives appropriating and sometimes selling Native
    spirituality is growing, with younger Natives joining the forefront.

    In her letter to Camp Shi'ini, Crisostomo-Romo explained the sacred nature
    of the face paint and war bonnets displayed on its Web site, saying,
    ''Non-Natives don't have business messing with these things.''

    She suggested the camp instead teach children about modern issues faced by
    Native people, including the desecration of sacred sites, poverty and
    substance abuse.

    It is important for non-Natives to understand that Natives do not exist only
    in museums or in Western movies: ''We are a people who have a future and who
    want the best for our children,'' Crisostomo-Romo said.

    ''The very notion of trying to recreate a lifestyle of a people that are
    still in vibrant existence is purely ridiculous,'' she said. ''Native people are
    not just about bows and arrows, feathers and dream catchers. The depth and
    beauty of our cultures can never be captured in a summer camp.''
    Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.sigpic

  • #2
    Let them

    Let "them" do whatever they want. It's only money. Somewhere our elders are turning over in their graves at the thought of their own decendants teaching or sharing our own God given ways with non-indians, for the sake of a dollar. Let these non-indians deal with the repurcussions of their actions when they have to answer a lawsuit from one of these people who need help and only get a show. As for the ones passing on our ways to these non-indians, sounds like these people need to straighten up and get back to traditional ways. REAL traditional ways. Ever heard of a powwow not for money? Like a benifit. Ever listen to someone who was around when times were truly tough to be an Indian? Our elders are here for a reason! God gave us our ways, not for shows or dollars. We as Indian people must teach our children the right way, not the white way. Remember ---

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    • #3
      This is a difficult subject for me. To a degree, I think caveat emptor related to such nonsense. Plus, I think people are pretty damned hypocritical and thin-skinned in such issues. (Anyone ever work in a fireworks stand? For $$$? Should the Chinese be angry that we've stolen their "magic?")

      That said, I don't want little white kids running around thinking that colored chicken feathers, in a construction paper bonnet, is the way it was: but don't quote me with that academic fraud Chruchill, as it beats having them believe us extinct.

      Personally, I don't care if a guy is plaid. If he got taught the right stuff, by the right people, he should be able -- and willing -- to use such knowledge for its intended purpose. I just do not consider personal profit to be it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by stymee View Post
        Let "them" do whatever they want. It's only money. Somewhere our elders are turning over in their graves at the thought of their own decendants teaching or sharing our own God given ways with non-indians, for the sake of a dollar. Let these non-indians deal with the repurcussions of their actions when they have to answer a lawsuit from one of these people who need help and only get a show. As for the ones passing on our ways to these non-indians, sounds like these people need to straighten up and get back to traditional ways. REAL traditional ways. Ever heard of a powwow not for money? Like a benifit. Ever listen to someone who was around when times were truly tough to be an Indian? Our elders are here for a reason! God gave us our ways, not for shows or dollars. We as Indian people must teach our children the right way, not the white way. Remember ---
        There is one powwow out here that people don't go to for money, in fact I save money from all the other powwows to get to this one, It's the best powwow around, yet it's the poorest powwow around, but everyone pitches in what they can, it's got great giveaways & everyone who shows up gets fed, even the spectators, and you get fed for days, if you come on thursday or leave monday or tuesday, the outdoor kitchen is up & running to feed you. Part of the reason it's got so little cash is a lack of vendors, only one food vendor comes, because there's not much point with a 24 hour kitchen that's open to all & the craft vendors are few & far between because this powwow is strict about what they will & won't allow to be sold, all part of why I love this powwow.
        Just thought you might want to know that there is at least one out there.

        To the point of the thread, I don't know if we will ever get rid of these people, but I do know it will only get worse if we don't fight it.

        Suzze

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        • #5
          This is a difficult subject for me. To a degree, I think caveat emptor related to such nonsense. Plus, I think people are pretty damned hypocritical and thin-skinned in such issues. (Anyone ever work in a fireworks stand? For $$$? Should the Chinese be angry that we've stolen their "magic?")
          Not the greatest comparison.. got another?
          Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.sigpic

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Blackbear View Post
            Not the greatest comparison.. got another?
            It's a PERFECT metaphor, if your argument is that Person "A" is stealing the traditionally-developed wares of Person "B" and utilizing such for profit and gain. (As such, denying Person "B" their cultural heritage, b-a-s-t-a-r-d-izing the original cause/need, removing some portion of identity, and blah, blah, blah...)

            Or is that not the argument?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zeke View Post
              It's a PERFECT metaphor, if your argument is that Person "A" is stealing the traditionally-developed wares of Person "B" and utilizing such for profit and gain. (As such, denying Person "B" their cultural heritage, b-a-s-t-a-r-d-izing the original cause/need, removing some portion of identity, and blah, blah, blah...)

              Or is that not the argument?
              I can see your example, Zeke. And I can also here Blackbear questions the example.

              What is your comparison of a product (gunpowder) with spirituality?


              Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


              "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

              Mr. Rossie Freeman

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              • #8
                disgusted

                It makes me furious to see people pawning that kind of trash off as Native, when they know nothing of what being a Native is.
                If I started a camp where all of the participants painted their faces black wore wax lips and ragged clothes with plastic shackles, and I "taught" them how to pick cotton and clean houses I would be run out on a freaking rail!!

                There is no excuse for this kind of mockery and we should make a stand.
                Niin sa, Chi anung

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                • #9
                  It started out as "the right thing to do". Some native people saw the desperation in folks to "find themselves". via sweats, vision quests, etc.
                  They had pity on them. They taught them, nurtured them. Some of those students were of good mind. They kept these teachings to themselves.
                  But..... the source of all evil - the greenback took over. It's not going to stop. It's already out there. Spirituality for zhooniyah.
                  Sweats for $299.99 plus tax. Even the government has to get its share.

                  We can't stop it.

                  But....... we can stop teaching more of those greedy bass turds. Aye. Just had to say that.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joe's Dad View Post
                    I can see your example, Zeke. And I can also here Blackbear questions the example.

                    What is your comparison of a product (gunpowder) with spirituality?
                    Because, in this case, "Native spirituality" (even if counterfeit) is being packaged, marketed, and sold as a product, no? And -- if Native folks didn't believe that it IS a product (and, thusly, can be "taken") -- there would be no concerns related to its sale.

                    Originally posted by Kiwehnzii
                    Sweats for $299.99 plus tax. Even the government has to get its share...
                    That is some biting satire, my friend, as well as being quite true in all respects.

                    There is where I, continuously, get into the "Indian Police" argument with the known hypocritical types (none of which have posted in this thread): Is there concern that someone is making a buck off of such things, or is there concern that YOU (the hypocritical types) are not making a buck off of such things?

                    Typically it's the latter.

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                    • #11
                      I had been wanting to say this all the long

                      Originally posted by Blackbear
                      ''One can study Native culture all they want, but if it's not Native blood
                      flowing through their veins then they'll never truly understand those ways and
                      how to use them,'' said Anthony Thosh Collins, 25
                      These have been my sentiments all the long. Thanks to that young fellow for stating what I am sure many could not.

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                      • #12
                        Ridiculous.

                        Originally posted by Creewoman05 View Post
                        These have been my sentiments all the long. Thanks to that young fellow for stating what I am sure many could not.
                        I believe such is completely misguided and limiting.

                        So, as Native quantum goes down, everyone just "understands" less and less? Until it is gone? Or, is there some level of blood -- say 1/4? -- that, as long as we remain above it, we MIGHT still "get it?" So we should inter-marry until our children have three heads in an effort to preserve racial purity? (This is, of course, the logical conclusion to such arguments: there's no getting around it.)

                        What if someone is adopted by a tribe, as tribes have always done. Do they get percentage points added to their quantum for validity to "understand?" Or are they just screwed, there was no point, and the entire lineage of adoption, going back generations, is crap and all of their descendants are losers? (i.e., the recent Cherokee way?)

                        1. Tie spirituality to bloodline, and you are going the way of the Dodo.
                        2. Many Natives perceive spirituality as a product, or else they'd fear not for its copyright.

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                        • #13
                          I've sent them two emails asking if they employed native Americans or if they assisted any poor reservations. They seem to be run by two Armenian guys and these are their prices:

                          Camp Shi'ini

                          In 2007, Camp Shi’ini will consist of a single five-week session lasting from Monday, June 25th through Friday, July 27th. Parents have the option of sending their children two days per week, three days per week, or five days per week. The costs associated with these three different packages have been individually listed below.

                          5 Days Per Week - $1925
                          3 Days Per Week - $1195
                          2 Days Per Week - $785

                          They are also located in San Marino, CA which is full of "old money" and the super-rich from China.

                          Camp Shi'ini
                          1613 Chelsea Road, #279
                          San Marino, CA 91108

                          Phone: 626-922-0945
                          Fax: 626-441-0033
                          E-Mail: [email protected]
                          Last edited by they_drag_him; 07-25-2007, 12:07 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zeke View Post

                            1. Tie spirituality to bloodline, and you are going the way of the Dodo.
                            You underestimate us and our teenage pregnancies. We'll never have to worry about our bloodline being diluted.

                            Originally posted by Zeke View Post
                            What if someone is adopted by a tribe, as tribes have always done. Do they get percentage points added to their quantum for validity to "understand?" Or are they just screwed, there was no point, and the entire lineage of adoption, going back generations, is crap and all of their descendants are losers? (i.e., the recent Cherokee way?)
                            A person can be adopted by a family not a tribe. Being adopted does not gain access to our ceremonies. Maybe in the old days when we kidnapped some good looking white folk women, they'd be part of the tribe but not now.
                            Last edited by they_drag_him; 07-25-2007, 11:19 AM.

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                            • #15
                              That is some interesting stuff. Great work.

                              I admit I would feel somewhat differently if they employed and/or served Natives, Rez-types or otherwise.

                              Originally posted by they_drag_him View Post
                              I've sent them two emails asking if they employed native Americans or if they assisted any poor reservations. They seem to be run by two Armenian guys and this is these are their prices:

                              Camp Shi'ini

                              In 2007, Camp Shi’ini will consist of a single five-week session lasting from Monday, June 25th through Friday, July 27th. Parents have the option of sending their children two days per week, three days per week, or five days per week. The costs associated with these three different packages have been individually listed below.

                              5 Days Per Week - $1925
                              3 Days Per Week - $1195
                              2 Days Per Week - $785

                              They are also located in San Marino, CA which is full of "old money" and the super-rich from China.

                              Camp Shi'ini
                              1613 Chelsea Road, #279
                              San Marino, CA 91108

                              Phone: 626-922-0945
                              Fax: 626-441-0033
                              E-Mail: [email protected]

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