Congress tells Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma: No Funding

[Josiah]

Well Dang Josiah, I had hopes you were a REAL Cherokee thinking Cherokee, BUT no, you are a babbling CNOT-suckin fool! Let me explain CNOT, that is a acronym for Cherokee Nation Of Oklahoma (TRAITORS) added for the actions of the BOGUS entity known as CNO... Thus we get CNOT, And suckers are fools that support the SMITH babbled equine excrement; Thus CNOT-suckin fools...

Well if it is up to the Tribal Court to decide, the simple fact is they have, decided already, the Supreme Court of CNOT rulled the 6th of March 2006 See the order here allendecision

And then folks if you seriously wnat to know or simply learn the truth you could start with a visit to this site Cherokee Nation Sells Out I respond to a pretty good article there and with some links to documents for corroboration, and if you need more go to cornsilks.com,.

John Cornsilk

Wado

[John Cornsilk]

CNOT-sucking fool!!

Oh but that is not true! because in this case the Government is saying it is up to the TRIBAL COURT to decide

hmmm

Well Dang Josiah, I had hopes you were a REAL Cherokee thinking Cherokee, BUT no, you are a babbling CNOT-suckin fool! Let me explain CNOT, that is a acronym for Cherokee Nation Of Oklahoma (TRAITORS) added for the actions of the BOGUS entity known as CNO... Thus we get CNOT, And suckers are fools that support the SMITH babbled equine excrement; Thus CNOT-suckin fools...

Well if it is up to the Tribal Court to decide, the simple fact is they have, decided already, the Supreme Court of CNOT rulled the 6th of March 2006 See the order here allendecision

And then folks if you seriously wnat to know or simply learn the truth you could start with a visit to this site Cherokee Nation Sells Out I respond to a pretty good article there and with some links to documents for corroboration, and if you need more go to cornsilks.com,.

John Cornsilk

[Josiah]

Which proves -- once and for all -- that the entire concept of sovereignty is CRAP.

Oh but that is not true! because in this case the Government is saying it is up to the TRIBAL COURT to decide

hmmm

[Zeke]

That is for the Courts to decide...

Which proves -- once and for all -- that the entire concept of sovereignty is CRAP.

[Josiah]

So they should have assimilated or be consigned to Natural Selection?

Where have I heard that argument, before?

The Cherokee disavowing of Freedmen is hypocritical, at best.

You know you could be right!

However of all the tribes to be accused of exclusivity
That takes the cake
It is a believe across Ndn country all you have to be is 1/1 millionth and that makes you Cherokee

Arghhhhhhhh
Here we go with blood quantum again

The Tribal governments only have two maybe three solutions to this problem

1) Blood Quantum only 1/4 or more is enrolled Only one tribe counted...

2) Decendancy to an ancestor

3) Start all over and make everybody Fullblood


With the Freeman it is a different issue
Some Cherokee own and brought slaves with them when everybody was removed and some where just scooped up when we were kicked out of Georgia

After the Civil War the Cherokee Nation were forced to sign another treaty granting freedom to the former slaves.
Since the Cherokee Government was the only ruling authority in Indian Territory they were granted Citizenship and the right to vote with that Government.
This was all dissolved in 1907 when the Cherokee Nation was disbanded and all its Citizens were disbanded
The ones with Indian blood were given an allotment and the ones that were freeman were given nothing since they were not Indians by ruling of the government (US GOVERNMENT)
In 1924 all were given Citizenship in the United States.
In 1974 the Cherokee Nation reformed and ratified its New Constitution with one of the provisions was that to be a citizen of the Nation you had to show decendancy to a Cherokee by Blood

So were we suppose to take care of the Freedmen Forever???

That is for the Courts to decide...

[Zeke]

That's how Wilma Mankiller became chief, when her husband Charlie Soap carried in another box of ballots and said "Wait, we have another box."

That's quite an accusation...

[Zeke]

The rest that intermarried with Cherokees dont have this problem only the ones that chose to remain seperate over the years... only 2687 left now

So they should have assimilated or be consigned to Natural Selection?

Where have I heard that argument, before?

The Cherokee disavowing of Freedmen is hypocritical, at best.

[Josiah]

Update to this Story

Congressional members meet with BIA director about Freedmen issue

Main NEWS Section - Cherokee Nation
Tulsa, Oklahoma (AP) 3-08


Members of Congress plan to send a letter to the director of the Bureau of Indian Affairs seeking clarification on the status of the Cherokee Nation Freedmen descendants and why the agency has not done more to end the controversy.

Four lawmakers, including U.S. Rep. Diane Watson, met during late March with BIA director Carl Artman.

Watson, D-Calif., has been the most vocal congressional critic of the Cherokee Nation and its efforts to deny citizenship to descendants of former slaves. She said the tribe and the BIA need more oversight on the issue and told the Tulsa World’s Washington bureau that she is concerned the Freedmen descendants are being treated as temporary members of the tribe.


They are not being issued cards they could use to receive certain benefits, she said.

“From what I understand they haven’t issued one,” Watson said.A tribe spokesman said the descendants still have access to services.


Another issue raised at the meeting with Artman involved what some see as different approaches by the BIA on the issue with the Cherokee and Seminole nations.

Watson has introduced legislation to strip the Cherokee Nation of its federal funding to get the tribe to give up on its efforts to rescind citizenship of the Freedmen descendants.

Last year, nearly 77 percent of Cherokee voters decided in a special election to amend the nation’s constitution to remove the Freedmen descendants and other non-Indians from tribal rolls.

Critics of the vote, however, noted that only 9,000 of the tribe’s 270,000 membership cast ballots.


Critics of the vote, however, noted that only 9,000 of the tribe’s 270,000 membership cast ballots.

Reps. John Conyers, D-Mich., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee; Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee; and Mel Watt, D-N.C., a key player on the issue for the Congressional Black Caucus, also attended the meeting with Artman.

Nedra Darling, a spokeswoman for Artman, confirmed that the meeting with the four lawmakers took place but said some of the issues raised by the lawmakers should be addressed by the Cherokee Nation.

As for the Seminole Nation, Darling said that tribe sued the BIA over the Freedmen descendants issue and did not have its own court system, unlike the Cherokee Nation.

Last year, Artman said an 1866 treaty between the United States and the Cherokee Nation affirmed the citizenship rights of the Freedmen, adding that the government would consider taking the tribe to court to make sure it lives up to that treaty.

Cherokee Nation spokesman Mike Miller said the 2,867 Freedmen descendants who were reinstated last year pending the outcome of ongoing litigation continue to receive health care and other services. They also have the right to vote, Miller said.

“CDIB cards are given out by the U.S. government,” he said. “Only people who can show documentation of degrees of Indian blood can receive them by federal law.”



Senator Watson does not even understand her own Federal Government's system of CDIB's!!!
She thinks that the Cherokee Nations is suppose to issue them to these people but then they are not Ndn
The rest that intermarried with Cherokees dont have this problem only the ones that chose to remain seperate over the years... only 2687 left now

[John Cornsilk]

Time to get this thread back onto the issue at hand

I know I know
Lots of finger pointing and yelling, name calling and hurt feelings

Sounds like another day in the trenches

I sat down and read H.R. 2824 which is the bill currently in the House of Reps sitting in committee
I read the whole document all the way to the end and will post it on here for you reading
It is very interesting reading
Here are the Highlights
1) It is a heavy handed way of getting the Cherokees back in line by removing all federal funding,Removing the ability of the tribe to continue its gaming operations so punishing the whole entire tribe by shutting down all funds for Schools, Hospitals ect.
2) Gives all Freedmen the right to SUE the Cherokee Nation the Dept of Interior separately or both
3) Gives the Government the right to hear Civil Rights violations which also could lead to Suits against the Cherokee Nation and or the Dept of Interior
4) If passed would also compel all other of the 5 civilized tribes to check on there Freedman status to make sure they are in compliance.
5) Has some very distrubing and Historically inaccurate information regarding the Cherokee Nation involvement during the Civil War by saying that all Cherokees were confederates and thus Slaveowners and were punished by the treaty of 1866 and this is just another case of southern politics
Thus we are racist exslave owners out to get the freedman back according to this bill!!!!!!

Holy Crap

Read the Bill

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...2824ih.txt.pdf

Well Josiah, your words sorta have have a ring of smith and cohorts...I have read the Bill, and what I see is some pretty accurate historical facts as to what the situation is, it even reiterates what I have said all along is that CNO is a bogus entity operating illegally usurping the sovereign authority of the Cherokee People, by fact of the 1970 Chiefs act 1907-70chiefact this would be a good item to read. and then if you are serious about learning the truth about CNO, should go to cornsilks.com, click the banner CNO is BOGUS.

John Cornsilk

[CherokeeTsisqua]

Cherokee Nation is so corrupt

Well, Josiah, we're not the racists but our current administration is. Most of the Cherokees didn't even vote, but the small percentage who did voted to get rid of the freedmen. And Cherkoee Nation always cheats when it comes to elections. That's how Wilma Mankiller became chief, when her husband Charlie Soap carried in another box of ballots and said "Wait, we have another box."

[Josiah]

Time to get this thread back onto the issue at hand

I know I know
Lots of finger pointing and yelling, name calling and hurt feelings

Sounds like another day in the trenches

I sat down and read H.R. 2824 which is the bill currently in the House of Reps sitting in committee
I read the whole document all the way to the end and will post it on here for you reading
It is very interesting reading
Here are the Highlights
1) It is a heavy handed way of getting the Cherokees back in line by removing all federal funding,Removing the ability of the tribe to continue its gaming operations so punishing the whole entire tribe by shutting down all funds for Schools, Hospitals ect.
2) Gives all Freedmen the right to SUE the Cherokee Nation the Dept of Interior separately or both
3) Gives the Government the right to hear Civil Rights violations which also could lead to Suits against the Cherokee Nation and or the Dept of Interior
4) If passed would also compel all other of the 5 civilized tribes to check on there Freedman status to make sure they are in compliance.
5) Has some very distrubing and Historically inaccurate information regarding the Cherokee Nation involvement during the Civil War by saying that all Cherokees were confederates and thus Slaveowners and were punished by the treaty of 1866 and this is just another case of southern politics
Thus we are racist exslave owners out to get the freedman back according to this bill!!!!!!

Holy Crap

Read the Bill

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h2824ih.txt.pdf

[CherokeeTsisqua]

Don't the Delawares have a say in their own self determination? How is it "fine" when the Delaware are made Cherokees against their own wishes?

The Delawares have no say. Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma sued the Delaware tribe and the 10th Circuit Court in Denver stripped the Delawares of all federal funding and federal recognition, even though Judge Stephanie Seymour heard the case while her attorney husband had contracts with the Cherokee Nation.

And to the other person who posted... you cannot force part of your tribal citizens to live by a treaty (Delawares) and kick other parties to a treaty out of the tribe (Cherokee freedmen).

[John Cornsilk]

Ps:

Well mike graham, the african Cherokee that hawks chad smiths crap against the black Cherokee descendants of the Cherokee of the dawes era...
Mike Graham is the worst kind of a racist a black Cherokee with a CDIB Card NOT a freedman Smith cant do nothing about it, so he suckers Mike in to harrassing me where ever I go with smiths pure BS...The simple fact is the Freedmen, were made citizens of the Cherokee Nation by the 1866 Treaty, Mike Stupidly states "No where in the 1866 treaty is the word citizenship stated covering any Freedmen". Following that the Cherokee anmmended their 1839 Constitution See Article III, Section 5 to read the Cherokee law asserting the fact of law that the Freed blacks were Cherokee Citizens, in 1866...

As you can see if you went and read this amendment mirrored word for word the words of the 1866 Treaty. The Freedmen lived, birthed and died in the Cherokee Nation prior to 1901 as citizens of their Nation, the Cherokee Nation. The Dawes Commission had NOTHING to do with that.

It was the intent of Congress in 1901 to terminate the Cherokee Nation forever, make U.S. citizens of all the Cherokees including the Freedmen. If that had come to pass, none of us would be Cherokee Nation citizens. But Congress passed the Five Civilized Tribes Act (FCT) of 1906 continuing the governments of the FCT in perpetuity or until Congress deems otherwise (the Watson Bill may be that "otherwise"). It is the 1906 law that has allowed the Cherokee Nation to remain alive but dormant and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and chad Smith to usurp the Cherokee Peoples sovereign rights and violate treaty law, in the name of the dormant Cherokee Nation.

If you have not seen a picture of Mike Graham here is a spoof page I put together to demonstrate what the leaders of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma are and Mike is in the upper right corner, to understand who some of the people are you may need to ask questions, be glad to answer any you may have! CLICK HERE for the page!! I will go ahead and tell you the little-hitlers are chads appointed high court of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, the one that gave him the BOGUS 99 Constitution to opertate under illegally!

[DavidCornsilk]

Chad would say if you want the truth don't look on the Cornsilk board. All you will see there is a bunch of mean spirited malcontents bashing Cherokee people that just want to preserve their tribe and culture. John and others will get nasty with anyone that dares to have a different opinion. They don't have an objection to Indian Tribes being Indians because they always avoid disputing the facts in favor of personal attacks. That's why good people don't post there.

That's What!

Chad Woodsay

Well Chad, that was spoken like a true puppet. The facts are not in dispute. Chad Smith, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation is a liar. The Freedmen have Cherokee blood. The Freedmen were not forced on the Cherokees. The vote to oust them was illegal. Chad is trying to get inaugurated for an illegal third term. His 2003 constitution is not and will not be recognized by the BIA in accordance with Cherokee law from the 1976 Constitution. The petition to bring about the anti-Freedmen vote was rife with fraud. The Cherokee Supreme Court is illegal. Chad Smith has lost more business enterprises than Wilma Mankiller. Chad Smith refuses to spend Cherokee money helping impoverished Cherokees, instead he uses it as "seed corn", but unfortunately everything he plants has died. Chad Smith had an affair with a woman not his wife that produced three outside children. A man who will cheat on his wife will cheat on his people. These are just a few of the undisputed facts. Just because you and Chad Smith share a first name in common does not mean you have to be his puppet. Don't be Skeert of John's Place. So what if my dad or anyone calls people names. You don't even have to post to go there and read read read all of the original documents relative to the Freedmen, the CNO and Chad Smith. Oh, but that would mean you might have to step away from Chad Smith and have an original thought of your own and we all know Chad Smith is gonna be chief forever.

[John Cornsilk]

Congresswoman Watson is not calling for the full restoration of the 1866 treaty, that action would mean that all the land that is now called the state of Oklahoma, would have to be turned back over to Indian nations that were forced to sign on to the 1866 treaty. No where in the 1866 treaty is the word citizenship stated covering any Freedmen.

Our sons and daughters today are giving their life for America on battlefields around the world against terrorism. It's a sick national joke that an elected member of the U.S. House of Congress would disgrace them with a resolution like H.R.2824.

Support stopping H.R.2824 Contact your congress person:

The Cherokee Nation -- Termination Bill H.R. 2824

Fact: Even in the federal government, voting is not a personal right, it's a privilege.

Fact: The Cherokee Nation Government in no way supported enslavement of any race of people.

Fact: No where in the 1866 treaty does it state "citizenship" for Freedmen, only protection and equal rights under tribal nation laws covering it's citizens.

Well mike graham, the african Cherokee that hawks chad smiths crap against the black Cherokee descendants of the Cherokee of the dawes era...
Mike Graham is the worst kind of a racist a black Cherokee with a CDIB Card NOT a freedman Smith cant do nothing about it, so he suckers Mike in to harrassing me where ever I go with smiths pure BS...The simple fact is the Freedmen, were made citizens of the Cherokee Nation by the 1866 Treaty, Mike Stupidly states "No where in the 1866 treaty is the word citizenship stated covering any Freedmen". Following that the Cherokee anmmended their 1839 Constitution See Article III, Section 5 to read the Cherokee law asserting the fact of law that the Freed blacks were Cherokee Citizens, in 1866...

As you can see if you went and read this amendment mirrored word for word the words of the 1866 Treaty. The Freedmen lived, birthed and died in the Cherokee Nation prior to 1901 as citizens of their Nation, the Cherokee Nation. The Dawes Commission had NOTHING to do with that.

It was the intent of Congress in 1901 to terminate the Cherokee Nation forever, make U.S. citizens of all the Cherokees including the Freedmen. If that had come to pass, none of us would be Cherokee Nation citizens. But Congress passed the Five Civilized Tribes Act (FCT) of 1906 continuing the governments of the FCT in perpetuity or until Congress deems otherwise (the Watson Bill may be that "otherwise"). It is the 1906 law that has allowed the Cherokee Nation to remain alive but dormant and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and chad Smith to usurp the Cherokee Peoples sovereign rights and violate treaty law, in the name of the dormant Cherokee Nation.