Congress tells Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma: No Funding

[unitednative]

Congresswoman Watson is not calling for the full restoration of the 1866 treaty, that action would mean that all the land that is now called the state of Oklahoma, would have to be turned back over to Indian nations that were forced to sign on to the 1866 treaty. No where in the 1866 treaty is the word citizenship stated covering any Freedmen.

Our sons and daughters today are giving their life for America on battlefields around the world against terrorism. It's a sick national joke that an elected member of the U.S. House of Congress would disgrace them with a resolution like H.R.2824.

Support stopping H.R.2824 Contact your congress person:

The Cherokee Nation -- Termination Bill H.R. 2824

Fact: Even in the federal government, voting is not a personal right, it's a privilege.

Fact: The Cherokee Nation Government in no way supported enslavement of any race of people.

Fact: No where in the 1866 treaty does it state "citizenship" for Freedmen, only protection and equal rights under tribal nation laws covering it's citizens.

[John Cornsilk]

Chad would say if you want the truth don't look on the Cornsilk board. All you will see there is a bunch of mean spirited malcontents bashing Cherokee people that just want to preserve their tribe and culture. John and others will get nasty with anyone that dares to have a different opinion. They don't have an objection to Indian Tribes being Indians because they always avoid disputing the facts in favor of personal attacks. That's why good people don't post there.

That's What!

Chad Woodsay

Of course thats what chad would say, but as soon as he does you could click link Cornsilksb7 and show him all the documents availabe on just one issue, "The Freedmen". If you want to know when chad lies just watch his mouth, if it moves guess whut??

[CherokeeTsisqua]

I really don't see how this legislation would even pass b/c the Cherokee Nation donates sooooo much money to the state for so many different things and they have so much revenue. It was being the dumbest thing to do to cut their federal funding. Somebody would probably get shot before that happened. If you want to get political about it. *L*

When it comes to federal funds no programs are allowed to discriminate.

Saw this notice a few minutes ago, and I bet the show is archived so we can listen to a rebroadcast.

Got this email from Voters at Large

Friday, August 3, 2007, 12 p.m. Central Time
The Black Caucus & Tribal Sovereignty:

The controversial vote to remove descendants of African slaves, called Freedmen, as citizens of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma may jeopardize the sovereignty of all tribes.

Disgruntled Freedmen approached members of the Congressional Black Caucus to restore their citizenship and one member, Rep. Diane Watson of California, is threatening to cut millions of dollars in federal funding to the Cherokees and now the House Financial Services Committee has voted to cut HUD funding to the tribe. Have the Freedmen pushed this issue into the danger zone?

Guests will be Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chad Smith and California Congresswoman Diane Watson, sponsor of the bill attempting to cut off federal recognition and funding to the Cherokee Nation.

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[CandaePrincess]

I really don't see how this legislation would even pass b/c the Cherokee Nation donates sooooo much money to the state for so many different things and they have so much revenue. It was being the dumbest thing to do to cut their federal funding. Somebody would probably get shot before that happened. If you want to get political about it. *L*

[John Cornsilk]

Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!

Such unlearned babble, go to cornsilks.com, and get over this ignertz!!

[Chad Woodsay]

If you are truly interested in learning the truth about the Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, visit my dad's website John's Place, dicussion forum for Cherokee politics, and read some original documents.

Chad would say if you want the truth don't look on the Cornsilk board. All you will see there is a bunch of mean spirited malcontents bashing Cherokee people that just want to preserve their tribe and culture. John and others will get nasty with anyone that dares to have a different opinion. They don't have an objection to Indian Tribes being Indians because they always avoid disputing the facts in favor of personal attacks. That's why good people don't post there.

That's What!

Chad Woodsay

[John Cornsilk]

Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!

Simpleton words of a fool, that babbles with out learning a little of which they babble, let me ask Do you believe in obeying law? or is it Ok to violate if one thinks one can get away with it?

The words of the 1866 Treaty of the Cherokee are quite clear, as is the 13th ammendment to the US Constitution. If you are not going to bother with learning a little truth about law, and its application to the issue on which you babble, at least read watson's Bill with concern of Law an violation! this applies to the hand clapper agreeing with your pure BS as well!

[John Cornsilk]

Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!

This complete irrational babbling by an apparent fool, that has not bothered to lern a dang that about what you choose to babble about, I ask one simple question, do you believe in elected officials obeying Law? or do you think it is ok to violate law as long as they can get away with it.

There is much you could learn about the Cherokee if you wanted to, simply go to cornsilks.com,, click every link there read and pay some dang tention, then you just might be qualified to babble about Cherokee business. but if you don't want to take that kind of time, at least read the Watson bill with concern for LAW and violation thereof, simply CLICK HERE

[DavidCornsilk]

The excercise of true sovereignty...

Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!

The United States government is NOT interfering in the membership decisions of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The U.S. government is exercising its own sovereign perogative to NOT expend funds on a rogue government bent on destroying the lives of its citizens. Chad Smith and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma have now joined the ranks of governments who commit genocide against their own citizens such as Sudan, Serbia, Russia, Uganda and South Africa. Every taxpayer in this country wants to believe that their tax dollars are going to help people rather than hurt them. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma can do as it pleases with its citizens, oust the freedmen, enslave the Delawares, crush the Keetoowahs. Its all about sovereignty. But as a sovereign, there is a price to be paid in the real world for such behaviors. The government to government relationship between the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and the United States is one of mutual respect and recognition. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has done something the United States cannot respect or support. There is no way for the U.S. to invade the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and use force to protect the rights of tribal minorities. The first and in this case only avenue for one sovereign to pressure another sovereign to treat its citizens right is the power of the purse. Chad Smith and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma have stepped into the arena of the big dogs. The U.S. Congress is reacting to their actions like a big dog. If Chad Smith and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma can't run with the big dogs, they shouldn't have gotten off the porch.

[kgirl7]

I totally agree.

Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!

Don't the Delawares have a say in their own self determination? How is it "fine" when the Delaware are made Cherokees against their own wishes?

[Kakeeya]

Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!

I totally agree.

[superndngyrl]

Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!

[John Cornsilk]

I have read all these posts and there are many issues stiring around:

1) The Freedman issue: No opionion

2) The Consistution of 1999 and 2003: Same as the 1975

3) Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma: Listed on my CDIB

4) United Keetoowah Band: Grandparents both listed

5) Chad Smith: No opionion

Have I missed any?

And yet we are still fighting amongst ourselfs
I remember a time when the Blood law was trying to be enacted against WW Keeler for selling us down the river and nothing has changed in all those years....

Still fighting

Well then it is about time you corrected number 5, to not have an opinion of this pitiful excuse of a man is inexcusable. you can learn a lot by going to John's Place and read comments, then go to chad da weezle.com and click around on all the links there, and if you don't come away with an opinion, you will either be dead er can'r read!

Actually you can find poop on all the numbers at cornsilks.com, click the Cover-page banner then Cherokee Issues and more, then Cherokee Documents and learn learn...On number 3 do you mean cno membership crd? My CDIB does not mention CNO... If that is what you mean, then you have an old card pre-chad it tells you you are a member of the 3rd class indian club the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, chad has tried to change that but it aint happened yet legally.
While at cornsilks be sure and read CNO is BOGUS
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[John Cornsilk]

Thanks for clarifying - and welcome to the site and discussion!

Visited your site - you make some eye-opening points. Although I am as much Cherokee as Chickasaw, per family history, I can only document the Chickasaw blood line and am enrolled there, otherwise I would happily sign your petition...

I'll be reading this thread with much interest, though...

The petition to Stop a Dictater in the Center of America, is not just for Cherokee, it is going to the US congress, and the actions by Congress will have an effect on all of Indian Country if anyone is unhappy with a dictatorial type of tribal leadership such as we have, and I know there are many others, with whom the federal government needs to do their duty to the Indian community...

We have Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw signers, and white folk taxpayers , because the dictator waste tax money money, and one I noticed yesterday from the Citizen Potawatomi tribe and a poster on Indianz.com (Johnnie Flynn) a very active citizen of that Nation against a tyrant quite like our Smith, that signed with a comment he said:

Not only should you shut down the Cherokee Nation, take it off the government dole, but also the Citizen Potawatomi Nation who is using its federal funds to persecute elders, arrest political opponents, and destroy families. If this were happening in any other country, foreign aid would be shut off. But it is allowed to go on unchecked all over Indian Country.

There are Chickasaw Freedmen who are just as unhappy with that government as all freedmen of all the tribes are.
Flynn's comment said it all, why every tribal members should sign this petition: CLICK HERE

[NorthofAda]

Fony as the other 240 or so wannabee groups, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma made noises like they might do something about it, but they backed off, they sent THIS LETTER to the State of Tenneesee about their policy of recognizing these fony groups, (scroll down to page 14 to see the list of fonies) but because they are just as BOGUS, they don't dare chance the fact Tenneesee might challenge their right to even be babbling about wannabees when they are no better.
You can GO HERE to see the website of the REAL United Cherokee Nation Then go to Cornsilks to learn how and why the cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is BOGUS!

Thanks for clarifying - and welcome to the site and discussion!

Visited your site - you make some eye-opening points. Although I am as much Cherokee as Chickasaw, per family history, I can only document the Chickasaw blood line and am enrolled there, otherwise I would happily sign your petition...

I'll be reading this thread with much interest, though...