Are Hawaiians and Chamorous Native American..?

[reocurringdream]

Thanks for the vid Amigo Kumeyaay.

[reocurringdream]

I don't know about the term "Native American," it might be more a US gov. decision rather than public opinion. But, I would definitely include them apart of the "brotherhood/sisterhood".

However, from my experience, it seems to take more skill to draw a circle than a line.

[Ananse]

Ahh, Thank-you so much for sharing, Amigokumeyaay! You've blessed me with such an amazing wealth of information!

It warms my heart to see Maori at the Gathering of Nations!

A whole day dedicated to bird singing and dancing--that sounds spectacular! It's been such a long time since I've seen bird singing and dancing. The San Diego State Powwow sounds so nice! Definitely need to make a point of going next year!

[AmigoKumeyaay]

Guam CHamorro Cultural Festival San Diego

Here's a video showing the people of Guam - Chamorros - at 2013 CHE'LU Festival in San Diego
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Chamorro Cultural Fest - YouTube
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[AmigoKumeyaay]

Actually this is one of the reasons I wanted to see what opinions on the subject were! There was a brief period of time (I believe back in 2007) where the Chamorros aspired to officially be considered Native American. In the CNMI (Rota, Tinian, Saipan) they actually have their own versions of tribal enrollment and even have their own blood quantum system, where via proof of direct lineage to the specific island you are from gives you residential and farm land. Tinian has a casino, and Rota was pushing for one but, due to the prevalence of catholocism progress in this endeavor is slow, and who really knows if it will actually ever be completed.

One of the debates my ex and I used to often encounter revolved around his wanting to powwow as a Chamorou. It wasn't in the sense of mockery or anything of that nature, but he simply wanted to experience being around other Native people in the celebratory sense and wanted to represent himself as the proud Chamorro that he is (was, being that we are divorced now) and didn't see anything wrong with this picture because he considered himself to be "Native American" too. Which, at the time I thought would be inappropriate, but now as I am no longer living on the islands and am reconnecting with my own culture I find myself second guessing what I formerly thought as inappropriate. Part of me thinks it would be wonderful to let my daughter wear her Chamorou regalia at a powwow and dance alongside me.

Depends on location of the powwow, but at 2012 Gathering of Nations, there were Maori people in the Grand Entry, members of reggae band NRG Rising. You can see them on YouTube (Hint-Hint!)

Out here in California, I have seen Islanders step into the Circle for inter-tribal.

The Upcoming San Diego State Powwow on April 6, 2013 will feature Islander dancing & singing during the dinner break.

Day Two on April 7 at San Diego State will be all Bird Singing & Dancing.

[blueberry111]

I'd consider any "native" culture in the Americas as "indigenous American." Hawaii is a bit different from the Americas a way culturally (but is part of US)... For sake of clarity, I'd refer to them indigenous Hawaiian . Just like indigenous Australians, indigenous Mongolian, etc.

[Ananse]

Thank you everyone for the replies, btw! It is a complete pleasure to read opinions on this!

[Ananse]

Can they build a casino on their tribal land??? LOL. j/k

This topic makes for a good discussion. Are we talking 'political' Native Americans'? 'Ethnocentric' Native Americans? Do they want the same status as Federally Recognized tribes? If they do want federal recognition, should they receive it before the Lumbees and other 'indigenous to the land' tribes who are currently petitioning the government for Federal Recognition?

If they can't answer it in Washington, we can sure answer it on Powwows.com!!!


Zeke?

Actually this is one of the reasons I wanted to see what opinions on the subject were! There was a brief period of time (I believe back in 2007) where the Chamorros aspired to officially be considered Native American. In the CNMI (Rota, Tinian, Saipan) they actually have their own versions of tribal enrollment and even have their own blood quantum system, where via proof of direct lineage to the specific island you are from gives you residential and farm land. Tinian has a casino, and Rota was pushing for one but, due to the prevalence of catholocism progress in this endeavor is slow, and who really knows if it will actually ever be completed.

One of the debates my ex and I used to often encounter revolved around his wanting to powwow as a Chamorou. It wasn't in the sense of mockery or anything of that nature, but he simply wanted to experience being around other Native people in the celebratory sense and wanted to represent himself as the proud Chamorro that he is (was, being that we are divorced now) and didn't see anything wrong with this picture because he considered himself to be "Native American" too. Which, at the time I thought would be inappropriate, but now as I am no longer living on the islands and am reconnecting with my own culture I find myself second guessing what I formerly thought as inappropriate. Part of me thinks it would be wonderful to let my daughter wear her Chamorou regalia at a powwow and dance alongside me.

[AmigoKumeyaay]

Been a while since I lived on Guam. When I retire, a trip to Guam is on the bucket list.

The Guam people are now busy fighting about plans for their first casino. Strong local opposition.


Meanwhile, the island of Rota, just north of Guam, wants that gambling money and now has an outside company financing and building a new casino resort.

Sounds familiar?

[muskrat_skull]

The question should be, "What is a 'regular' American? And after 'regular' American is defined, is every other American 'irregular'???

I think the irregular Americans are the ones you get from Big Lots.

I like the "more Constitutional rights part"... doesn't the Constitution protect all Americans right to be racist (at least in speech)?

[Joe's Dad]

The question should be, "What is a 'regular' American? And after 'regular' American is defined, is every other American 'irregular'???

[muskrat_skull]

I copied this from here: http://chamorrotribe.webs.com/

One of the most important things that we can garner as a Native American Tribe is true U.S. Citizenship. Right now, we are "Statutory Citizens", that means we received our citizenship through the passage of the Organic Act. The Organic Act is United States Code 48 Section 8A.

Unfortunately, Article 14 of the United States Constitution has never been amended to include citizenship of unincorporated territories. The United States Constitution states there are only two ways to become a United States Citizen, you are either born a citizen or you are naturalized. You cannot be naturalized as a Statutory Citizen. Only certain Amendments of the Constitution and those Amendments that the Supreme Court recognize as being Basic Human Rights apply to us.

The only true way for Guam and the Chamorro people to get United States true citizenship, which means full protection and full Constitutional rights, is either Guam becomes a State, which is not going to happen because we do not have the population base and we are too far from the contiguous 48 States.

The only other way for us to get Constitutional citizenship is to become registered as a native American tribe so that we as a people become incorporated to the United States and the Indian Naturalization Act would automatically Naturalize us, thereby, making us legal Constitutional Citizens of the United States and affording us all protections and rights under the Constitution of the United States and making us eligible for all types of benefits as well as giving us additional Constitutional rights, because Native Americans enjoy more Constitutional rights than regular Americans. Native Americans have the Constitutional right to discriminate based on race to protect their culture, heritage and race.

I thought you wrote that last part for a minute and were joking. I reread it and realized it was all a quote. I'm not sure what they mean by that because I don't know if by Native American they mean American Indians or Native born Americans.

[Joe's Dad]

I copied this from here: http://chamorrotribe.webs.com/

One of the most important things that we can garner as a Native American Tribe is true U.S. Citizenship. Right now, we are "Statutory Citizens", that means we received our citizenship through the passage of the Organic Act. The Organic Act is United States Code 48 Section 8A.

Unfortunately, Article 14 of the United States Constitution has never been amended to include citizenship of unincorporated territories. The United States Constitution states there are only two ways to become a United States Citizen, you are either born a citizen or you are naturalized. You cannot be naturalized as a Statutory Citizen. Only certain Amendments of the Constitution and those Amendments that the Supreme Court recognize as being Basic Human Rights apply to us.

The only true way for Guam and the Chamorro people to get United States true citizenship, which means full protection and full Constitutional rights, is either Guam becomes a State, which is not going to happen because we do not have the population base and we are too far from the contiguous 48 States.

The only other way for us to get Constitutional citizenship is to become registered as a native American tribe so that we as a people become incorporated to the United States and the Indian Naturalization Act would automatically Naturalize us, thereby, making us legal Constitutional Citizens of the United States and affording us all protections and rights under the Constitution of the United States and making us eligible for all types of benefits as well as giving us additional Constitutional rights, because Native Americans enjoy more Constitutional rights than regular Americans. Native Americans have the Constitutional right to discriminate based on race to protect their culture, heritage and race.

[Joe's Dad]

This is from wikipedia:


Chamorro language
Main article: Chamorro language

The Chamorro language is included in the Malayo-Polynesian subgroup of the Austronesian family. Because Guam was colonized by Spain for over 300 years, many words derive from the Spanish language. The traditional Chamoru number system was replaced by Spanish numbers.[2] Chamoru is often spoken in many homes, but is becoming less common. However, there has been a resurgence of interest in reviving the language, and all public schools on both Guam and the The Northern Mariana Islands are now required by law to teach the Chamoru language as part of the elementary, middle, and high school curriculum.
Ancient Chamorros

The Chamorro are commonly believed to have come from Southeast Asia at around 2000 BC. They are most closely related to other Austronesian natives to the west in the Philippines and Taiwan, as well as the Carolines to the south. They were expert seafarers and skilled craftspeople familiar with intricate weaving and detailed pottery-making. The latte stone, a megalithic rock pillar topped with a hemispherical capstone, was used by ancient Chamorros as foundation for buildings and has since been appropriated as a "national" symbol. Chamoru society was based on what sociologist Dr. Lawrence J. Cunningham termed the "matrilineal avuncuclan", one characteristic of which is that the brother(s) of the female parent plays more of a "father" role than the actual biological male parent.[

[Joe's Dad]

These people?

Was I supposed to say, 'those' people?

Chevy!