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    I put up a thread about some feathers I just got from the repository and was getting opinions as to what I should do with them. In the process my friend Chevy said what about trading them.
    Not according to our esteemed rule setting government, they say this(from the repository website):
    Possession of Eagle
    Feathers and Parts by
    Native Americans
    U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service
    February 2009
    Eagles are directly protected under
    two Federal laws: the Bald and Golden
    Eagle Protection Act and the Migratory
    Bird Treaty Act. These laws generally
    prohibit the possession, use, and sale
    of eagle feathers and parts as well as a
    number of other activities.

    The Service operates the National
    Eagle Repository as a clearinghouse
    for eagles and eagle parts to provide
    Native Americans with eagle feathers
    for religious use. The Repository
    collects dead eagles salvaged by
    Federal and State agencies, zoos,
    and other organizations. Enrolled
    members of federally recognized tribes
    (as established under the Federally
    Recognized Tribal List Act of 1994, 25
    U.S.C. Section 479a, 108 Stat. 4791)
    may obtain a permit from the Service
    authorizing them to receive and possess
    eagle feathers and parts from the
    Repository. Permit applications must
    include certification of tribal enrollment
    from the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
    Because demand is high, waiting periods
    exist.
    Native Americans may also legally
    possess eagle feathers and parts acquired
    through certain other means. Such items
    include any owned before eagles were
    first protected by Federal law (1940 for
    bald eagles, and 1962 for golden eagles)
    and feathers and parts passed down
    within a family or received as gifts from
    other Native Americans.

    Native Americans may wear feathers
    legally in their possession or make
    them into religious or cultural items
    for their own or tribal use. They may
    transfer feathers to tribal craftsmen to
    be fashioned into such objects; no money
    may be received for the feathers
    , but
    craftsmen may be compensated for their
    work.
    Native Americans may give feathers
    or other eagle items as gifts to other
    Native Americans and may hand them
    down within their families. They may
    not, however, give them to non-Native
    Americans



    Now , I have some issues with this ! LOL

    We can give them to other Tribal members , and hand the down to our own family members. O.K. My children missed the boat by 1/64th enough to be tribal members. So technically , even passing them down to family will be breaking the law. So what happens then ? What happens to the feathers when I die ? Got me to thinking !

    And what about trading ? Can we trade them and if so , isn't putting a dollar value on the trade the same as selling them ?
    Say I trade my bustle that I value at say $1000 bucks.(this is just hypothetical as I will never trade away my bustle) What's the difference in trading that , at that worth for say....a used car ? I know , crazy , but just saying. Once you put a dollar amount on the object , doesn't it make it the same as money ?
    Now I'm not saying this is right or wrong , I'm just asking what the difference would be.

    I've had folks ask about trading feathers for other regalia items and I refused. At the same time I've given feathers away to some who needed a few to finish out a project or had a certain need. Just a while back my brother in law gave away his fan and needed another , so I sent him one.

    There are just lots of questions when it comes to feather possession and I thought I'd get some more opinions !
    I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


    They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

    There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

    Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
    It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


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  • #2
    Maybe , when I die , I'll have them donated to a tribal youth group or something.....or maybe one of our warrior societies. Just thinkin' !
    I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


    They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

    There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

    Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
    It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


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    There's a chance you might not like me ,

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    • #3
      And any of you Feds , don't bother even trying , I'll never sell any feathers !
      I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


      They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

      There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

      Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
      It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


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      There's a chance you might not like me ,

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      • #4
        See , here's the part of the regs about trading:
        from the eagle repositories website:
        Nor
        may anyone buy, sell, barter, trade,
        import, or export eagle feathers or items
        made from them. These prohibitions
        cover all feathers and parts, including
        those that “pre-date” Federal protections
        and others that are legally possessed.
        I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


        They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

        There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

        Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
        It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


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        There's a chance you might not like me ,

        but there's a bigger

        chance I won't care

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        • #5
          We can give them to other Tribal members , and hand the down to our own family members. O.K. My children missed the boat by 1/64th enough to be tribal members. So technically , even passing them down to family will be breaking the law. So what happens then ? What happens to the feathers when I die ? Got me to thinking !

          There is also law protecting your childrens inheritance. A person should bee free to hand down possesions to their kids. Your children are Native American. No one can change that.

          "and may hand them
          down within their families"
          .

          I don't think our national debt is going to support the bean counting it would require to do anything about it for much longer anyhow.

          As far as trading, it's all about the language. "Do you want this as a gift?" "I like receiving gifts too"....

          Besides, the American government has already established it's own imperfection/willingness to break it's own rules for a desired outcome.

          I give gifts all the time.

          My friend just gave us an RV.
          Last edited by gilisi; 02-21-2014, 03:34 AM. Reason: keeping it short
          When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by gilisi View Post

            There is also law protecting your childrens inheritance. I think a person should bee free to hand down whatever they want to their kids. Tribal membership doesn't have to make an Indian. Your children are Native American. No one can change that or make a case against it. I don't think our national debt is going to support the bean counting it would require to do anything about it for much longer anyhow.

            As far as trading, it's all about the language. "Do you want this as a gift?" "I like receiving gifts too"....

            Besides, the American government has already established it's own imperfection/willingness to break it's own rules for a desired outcome.

            I give gifts all the time.

            My friend just gave us an RV.
            Nice attitude , but really The tribe has set a rule for membership and if there is a blood quantum and the kids don't qualify , in the eyes of the U.S. Government they are no longer Indian. Yes , I can hand them down.As long as I provide proof I did legally did ! And then they can hand them down. My kids didn't qualify and now their kids are even less and their kids will be even less. In my eyes they will always be Cheyenne , but no one else will recognize that. And what if the kids lose the proof that I legally gave them the feathers ? Then what ? Hmmm....I think I gotta do some more studying on this !
            Last edited by wardancer; 02-21-2014, 03:27 AM.
            I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


            They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

            There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

            Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
            It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


            sigpic


            There's a chance you might not like me ,

            but there's a bigger

            chance I won't care

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            • #7
              Nice attitude , but really The tribe has set a rule for membership and if there is a blood quantum and the kids don't qualify , in the eyes of the U.S. Government they are no longer Indian. Yes , I can hand them down.As long as I provide proof I did legally did ! And then they can hand them down. My kids didn't qualify and now their kids are even less and their kids will be even less. In my eyes they will always be Cheyenne , but no one else will recognize that. And what if the kids lose the proof that I legally gave them the feathers ? Then what ? Hmmm....I think I gotta do some more studying on this !

              I see what you mean. Personally, I have received gifts from friends but I can say from experience that an inheritance from a father is a powerful thing. I hope you do choose to give these to your children. The true strength of any tribe is maintained by family. I'm interested to learn the results of your research.
              When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

              "Show me somethin"

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              • #8
                My eyes just went square as in fenced around something fenced in- sorry, if my comment is inappropriate, I will take it off again.

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                • #9
                  "I'll trade you 15 yellowhammers for a single row bustle." "I'll trade you a head and two claws for a set of roach feathers." (Hypothetical)

                  Put a dollar value on that.


                  Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


                  "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

                  Mr. Rossie Freeman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joe's Dad View Post
                    "I'll trade you 15 yellowhammers for a single row bustle." "I'll trade you a head and two claws for a set of roach feathers." (Hypothetical)

                    Put a dollar value on that.
                    That is exactly what I mean. Yeah , you know , that one guy that comes up and says "hey , I can trade sizzortails 1 for 1 with Black and Whites up in S.D.

                    But in the eyes of the feds, they say that's wrong.

                    I guess the secret is don't get caught ! LOL(Hypothetically)
                    I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


                    They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

                    There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

                    Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
                    It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


                    sigpic


                    There's a chance you might not like me ,

                    but there's a bigger

                    chance I won't care

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I guess the secret is don't get caught ! LOL(Hypothetically)

                      Those clowns are still making up more rules every day. It would take a genius in statistics to quantify how many times they have already contradicted themselves.

                      Corn Tassel said it best:

                      "Were we to inquire by what law or authority you set up a claim, therefore, I answer, none! Your laws do not apply in our country, nor ever did. You talk of the law of nature and the law of nations, and they are both against you. Indeed much has been spoken about the lack of what you term civilization among the Indians. Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. But, we confess that we do not yet see the rightness, or practicality of such a step. We should be better pleased with beholding the good effect of these doctrines in your own practices than with hearing you talk about them, or reading your papers to us upon such subjects."
                      When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

                      "Show me somethin"

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                      • #12
                        I always did think it strange that it has always been the U.S. Feds that determine what is legal regarding Native religion and religious items.Eagle feather owning and gifting gets tricky under their policies and laws. A question that could get raised is ...."who constitutes a family member?" In my children's tribe there are many households made up of persons who are not even related by blood but are related none the less. Some are family with no native blood. Others are same tribe but not what the government would call a family as the definition of family is different between the cultures.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by solitare View Post
                          I always did think it strange that it has always been the U.S. Feds that determine what is legal regarding Native religion and religious items.Eagle feather owning and gifting gets tricky under their policies and laws. A question that could get raised is ...."who constitutes a family member?" In my children's tribe there are many households made up of persons who are not even related by blood but are related none the less. Some are family with no native blood. Others are same tribe but not what the government would call a family as the definition of family is different between the cultures.


                          "who constitutes a family member?"

                          The reason the feds and tribes agree on those rules is because they have to allocate their own tribal spending. In the context of the feathers, it helps to understand the reason they made those rules to begin with. If they didn't set those restrictions eagles would be GONE, as in extinct. Poachers would be killing em off left and right to market.

                          As far as that age old question... If an Indian calls you family, depending on the context, then you are family.

                          Just my couple of cents
                          When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

                          "Show me somethin"

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                          • #14
                            The real problems begin when the government forgets why they made those laws to begin with. That's when I start calling them 'clowns'.

                            It's also the reason my friend Wardancer had cause to start this thread.
                            When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

                            "Show me somethin"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gilisi View Post
                              "who constitutes a family member?"
                              If an Indian calls you family, depending on the context, then you are family.
                              and that's my point right there. The "feds" definition of family is not the same definition across Native America. nor is their definition of Native American.....but then again these comments alone could be their own threads! lol

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