Women in Regalia Part 2.. white dancer discussion Part 1001

[BurBz]

Fancy.. and yes i do know its not a navajo way... i've been informed that many times.. but the family that brought me into the circle and blessed me appropriatley.. i DO respect their ways and their dancing. :D Thanks for asking. I know my family would have a fit if a white man were brought to our ceremonies because it is not for white people :D :clap: yaaayy you took a native studies course!! woohooo :D Sooo i'm not an interloper lol... I was asked by a well respected family if I could join the circle because at the time i was in mourning of my late father and I waited a year till that passed to start dancing and that was when i was blessed appropriatley. Sooooo it was not what I DID ALL ON MY OWN :D

[Mato Winyan]

KNOCK THIS CRAP OFF OR I'M LOCKING IT!

[C_Rock77]

You say all these things under the ASSUMPTION that I don't have respect for these ways....I do.

I never claimed to know MORE about powwows than anyone.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. All this argument is is us beating our heads against a brick wall. None of us are gonna relent. I VEHEMENTLY disagree with your argument.

Herein lies one of the biggest problems with boards like this one... Here I am forming opinions about you and you about me. Both of us doing so about people we've never even met. I've seen it happen all too often.

So, like I said, we'll just have to agree to disagree. So, let's allow this thread to get back on topic instead of arguing like a bunch of 3rd graders and not getting anywhere.

[Jinglin Chica]

Originally posted by C_Rock77
You say all these things under the ASSUMPTION that I don't have respect for these ways....I do

Then leave me and my culture alone.






Ok I'm done. I apologize to Mato however. I didn't mean for this to get out of hand. I'm especially sensitive about pw at the moment and couldn't help get easily offended about his self-righteous posts. My bad. :Angel:

[SqUish]

I would def. boooooo C_Rock77 off da stage *LMFAO* BUH !! da stage



:o *LLULULULULULU*Z fer grammy n BURBIE*

[BurBz]

I sorrrryy Mato :) :huddle: please forgive me Mato

what JC said about non natives trynna talk like they know more about our ways when they have not walked in our mocs :D

[Kiwehnzii]

Well,well.well. What do we have here?

Crock77, no, not many of us like it when you people (my, that sounds familiar -you people) try to be so much like us. Dancing & singing that is. Of course you're welcome to dance some of the social dances and stuff. Some of you though get a little carried away though by trying to get outfits together. By all means, dance. But, going to the lengths that you are going to is not very welcome to many native people.

Arguing with my online buddies doesn't make you more right either. I must add that it is very arrogant and disrespectful of you to say that you will dance where you want when you want. It doesn't always work that way.

The more you post, the more people will come back at'cha. Back off.

BTW girls, good job. :Thumbs If I was younger, I probably wouldn't have been so easy on him either. It appears that you might have held back a little. That's good too. Some of that discipline you learned in sports, right? or........you just didn't want to get Mato to peed off.:)

[ojibwaysweetie]

Originally posted by C_Rock77
Just because she's "full-blooded," doesn't make her right. You know that as well as I do. You might not admit it, but you know it.

As for wanting to be Indian....No. I know who I am, and am proud of it. Just because I take part in this part of Indian culture, it doesn't mean I WANT to be Indian.

By the way....I WILL dance all I want. I'll also dance where I want. I've danced at many dances in TX and Oklahoma. I've not yet had the opportunity to go to any dances in the North, but have every intention of doing so in the future. I have native and non-native friends who have encouraged my following of these ways.

As for burrberilish being full blooded...........damned right that makes her RIGHT! (much to your dismay and very much to your extreme)...........and You won't dance at our pow wow buddy. You'd be out of the rez escorted by our police with that attitude alone.

[Kakeeya]

Originally posted by ojibwaysweetie
As for burrberilish being full blooded...........damned right that makes her RIGHT! (much to your dismay and very much to your extreme)...........and You won't dance at our pow wow buddy. You'd be out of the rez escorted by our police with that attitude alone.

Our Whipmen and Whipwomen would escort you out too or you would have to suffer the consequences.

[C_Rock77]

As for the "dancing where I want, when I want" comment... I'm not going to dance where I have to right. The majority of the dances I've attended have been Powwows, i.e. SOCIAL dances. As I stated before, I've been told by MANY that these dances are for EVERYONE, Indian and non-Indian alike. Granted, the Powwow has spiritual aspects, and I respect those. I follow the etiquette of the dance, showing respect where it is due.

I have had occasion to dance at formal War Dances, but I only did this after I was invited by members of the society. I was even hesitant, and only did so after much encouragement.

As for all this, you're passing judgments on me for one reason and one reason only....that I'm white. Other than that, you know nothing about me. You know nothing of my respect for the circle, the ways of it, it's songs, the drum, etc.

You know, there is a word for passing judgment on someone without knowing anything about them...an even more specific one when it's based on race.

[Jinglin Chica]

Go ahead and call me racist. I don't like you or any other white person dancing our dances or singing our songs. I especially don't like it when they have an attitude like yours. "oh but my ndn studies teacher said.."

[superndngyrl]

I dont mean to be offensive either but from my perspective... When someone says no about dancing rights and permissions... one shouldn't run to someone else who will tell them yes. There's tons of websites out there ran by other non-natives giving and selling permissions but thats not how it works. I've served in the military and have earned my feathers. But I'm a woman and I know my place and happily and very proudly do I dance women's traditional because thats our traditions and thats our customs.

To respect us means even accepting NO as an answer.

[tradish_wiyan]

Originally posted by Jinglin Chica
Go ahead and call me racist. I don't like you or any other white person dancing our dances or singing our songs. I especially don't like it when they have an attitude like yours. "oh but my ndn studies teacher said.."

well said jinglin_chica:Angel2 :Angel2

[C_Rock77]

MY attitude? All I've done is defend myself in the midst of an onslaught of people with their own terrible attitudes telling me how WRONG I am. Fine, if I'm doing something wrong, show me the right ways. No, I'm not knowledgeable in the ways of your people. However, I CAN learn and would like to.

BTW, Indian Studies teacher.....funny. Never took a class like that. Do you suggest them? The only education I've had has come through going and observing at dances and talking to the people in attendance and to friends of mine that have taken part in these ways for years and years. Is there any other way?

[Jinglin Chica]

As if I'd tell YOU anything about my culture. You came in here trying to tell ppl how pw is. What gives you the right to educate anyone about anything to do with pw? I take offence to any white person trying to tell others what to do. You were acting like you knew it all because you "observed and researched" for years. Who gives a **** about what you've "observed and researched.." If I have a bad attitude, it's because of know-it-alls like you.