Women in Regalia Part 2.. white dancer discussion Part 1001

[BurBz]

Re: WELL UH UM THIS ONE TIME AT BAND CAMP.......CaaaRiest!

Originally posted by Coyot_In_The_House
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BAND CAMP!! iiiissssss :p


*LMAO* Yot.. and here i thought you was gonna provide some inspirational words *LMAO*


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[Coyot_In_The_House]

Hey Uh Baahozhoni.....errr!

Muh Dad always says:

"Dazzle em with Knowledge, or Baffle em with Bullchit....."

One why bother

Two does it really matter

Three, well uh this one time at Band Camp........;)

[BurBz]

Re: Hey Uh Baahozhoni.....errr!

Originally posted by Coyot_In_The_House
Muh Dad always says:

"Dazzle em with Knowledge, or Baffle em with Bullchit....."

One why bother

Two does it really matter

Three, well uh this one time at Band Camp........;)

*L* :Chatter :Chatter :Thumbs more power to ya bro lol...

[tradish_wiyan]

Re: Hey Uh Baahozhoni.....errr!

Originally posted by Coyot_In_The_House
Muh Dad always says:

"Dazzle em with Knowledge, or Baffle em with Bullchit....."

One why bother

Two does it really matter

Three, well uh this one time at Band Camp........;)

Yote must have had a helluva time at band camp...FILL US IN!!! :Chatter :Chatter :Chatter :Chatter LOL!!!!!!!!!

[C_Rock77]

Originally posted by Jinglin Chica
Go ahead and call me racist. I don't like you or any other white person dancing our dances or singing our songs.

Wait a minute....

I THINK I already did.

[Homalosa]

I read and couldn't hold my tongue, sorry.
What I don't get about some white folks is the idea that good intentions, talks with elders, and observations can ever lead to an authority on something. It reminds me of old dude in Dream Keeper. Grandpa said his kind just wants to be "connected" to the things that their ancestors just don't understand. But can we really be real?

Dancing in the arena with or without feathers doesn't change the unemployment rate on the rez. Dancing with elders and wearing regalia (whether correctly or not) doesn't lower the alcoholism rate. Reminding Indians about what powwows are for doesn't do a dent of help to the drop out rate among native youth.

So, whatever one's reasons for dancing are, don't you think the bigger picture is tragic? While fighting with us over whether or not we're racist, or what women should wear in the arena (I read all the pages. It must've gotten real out of hand because the original thread has been recycled), does anyone ever think that after the powwow some folks go home to their nice homes and jobs, while we pick up the pieces?

Please stop expecting Indins to loosen the reins on the arena. It is all that's left in so many cases.

Sometimes I get really pissed because it's like non natives choose to be enchanted by Indian cultures because they truly believe in the noble savage. How dare they protest my wanting to be with them? They're supposed to offer me food, clothing and shelter.

I don't believe such people want to be Indian. They don't. They don't want to be mistaken for Latino, or believed to be annihilated. They don't want to have sports teams laugh at them. They don't want to be struggle to be 1% of the population. They don't want to be the new scapegoat (how dare poor Indians make casino money when California has lint in her pockets).

These people don't want to be Indian. They don't want to be Latino. They damn sure don't want to be Black (uh, officer, can you beat me tomorrow instead of today?)

No, they want to dance with a grandpa elder.
They want us (the Latino) to mow their lawns.
They want us (the African Americans) to tell funny jokes and play ball like Kobe (oops, not like Kobe, he had him a white girl).
Then they want to go to their nice homes in the suburbs and feel blessed to be who they are.

And if we dare tell them that we'd rather not? Oh lawdy lawdy! They'll remind us that we don't know our own cultures and that we've inherited the minds of the ones who profited from our lots in the first place.

Hmm.

[DANCINGEAGLE]

What makes me mad is to go to a powwow that is supposed to be "traditional" and look around to see that it is nothing but hokie. Then to have some white person come up to me and try to tell me what "my" tradition is and how we are supposed to be doing things. I don't think so. Then trying to give me some lame story of how they received their feathers. Hey, here's a quarter, go call someone who cares because I don't want to hear that junk about the ancestors talked to you.

All of the white people that I've encountered at powwows, and are dancing, always give the same story and that is the ancestors talked to them and told them to wear the Eagle feathers. That's a bunch of bull. All of my feathers that I have, were gifted to me. I am a Marine Corps Veteran who served in Operation Desert Storm. I served in the Corps for 11 1/2 years. So, I have received my feathers in the right way.

As for you, C Rock, to come on here and tell MY powwows.com family(my brothers and sisters) that they do not have a right to tell you how they REALLY feel is wrong. You are just feeling some of the heat and disgust that we have been dealing with for the past 100 years.

To say that I am mad right now is an understatment. I'm so fired up right now that I've forgotten what the topic was .

Jinglin Chica, my friend Jibby, and all of the rest of you that voiced your opinion on this, I say thanks for standing up. It is up to us to defend and keep "OUR" traditions and culture alive. Besides, some white people think that they are so smart that they fail to realize that different tribes have different traditions.

If I've offended anyone on here, please forgive me. I just had to air what I've been feeling for so long.

[ojibwaysweetie]

Originally posted by DANCINGEAGLE
What makes me mad is to go to a powwow that is supposed to be "traditional" and look around to see that it is nothing but hokie. Then to have some white person come up to me and try to tell me what "my" tradition is and how we are supposed to be doing things. I don't think so. Then trying to give me some lame story of how they received their feathers. Hey, here's a quarter, go call someone who cares because I don't want to hear that junk about the ancestors talked to you.

All of the white people that I've encountered at powwows, and are dancing, always give the same story and that is the ancestors talked to them and told them to wear the Eagle feathers. That's a bunch of bull. All of my feathers that I have, were gifted to me. I am a Marine Corps Veteran who served in Operation Desert Storm. I served in the Corps for 11 1/2 years. So, I have received my feathers in the right way.

As for you, C Rock, to come on here and tell MY powwows.com family(my brothers and sisters) that they do not have a right to tell you how they REALLY feel is wrong. You are just feeling some of the heat and disgust that we have been dealing with for the past 100 years.

To say that I am mad right now is an understatment. I'm so fired up right now that I've forgotten what the topic was .

Jinglin Chica, my friend Jibby, and all of the rest of you that voiced your opinion on this, I say thanks for standing up. It is up to us to defend and keep "OUR" traditions and culture alive. Besides, some white people think that they are so smart that they fail to realize that different tribes have different traditions.

If I've offended anyone on here, please forgive me. I just had to air what I've been feeling for so long.

;)

[Singing Eagle]

Thanks Homa and Dancing Eagle for your poignant remarks!:D

[Homalosa]

Hey, you're welcome although thanks is never needed for the truth. It stands on its own and has nothing to do with me!:)

[Kiwehnzii]

SI just wanted to use that word "poignant":D

Just wanted you all to know that I "vehemently" disagree with Crock.

My word of the day.:rofl2:

[Singing Eagle]

Originally posted by Kiwehnzii
SI just wanted to use that word "poignant":D

Just wanted you all to know that I "vehemently" disagree with Crock.

My word of the day.:rofl2:

Ki - here's $5 to help pay for that $20 word!

[traci_m]

*just read the whole thread*

Homalosa. . .Singing Eagle. . .Jibby. . .and others, as usual, you have made perfect sense. I don't know why it's not clear to those who need to hear the message.

I do think Super said it VERY well when she said "To respect us means even accepting NO as an answer." As someone of mixed heritage, this is perhaps the most important thing to know. Not everything is meant for us (mixed people). Not everything is there for us to learn. Not everything will be revealed to us. To come to peace with that is a struggle lifted.

I attend pow wows; I feel I know "my place". And yes, there is a place to know! I see white people roll up there, can't find a place to sit, so they will park their chairs right in the entry-way to the arena, like it was left open just for them. Or they sit there and make ignorant remarks, do not keep themselves in check with the pointing and gawking. Talking about "he must be a shaman" to the one who carries the Eagle Staff.

I may participate in an inter-tribal from time-to-time, but only if asked on a pow-wow to pow-wow basis. I don't take one invitation as an open book for the rest of my life. I enjoy watching dancing but don't feel the need to dance myself. It is enough to watch, for me. I see too many "white people" enter and have not learned enough before storming into the arena. It is embarassing for all parties involved.

But one thing I will always do is stand up to any white person/mixed breed who says they have "rights" to do what they want when they want in regards to native culture. What "rights" does one have among a people who shared and got nothing in return for it? Repeatedly violated, torn down, lied to, shafted. . .a non-native or person of mixed heritage is lucky to even be allowed to observe such beauty after such evil has been done. So, please, just sit down and shut the hell up! (Ooops, pregnancy hormones busting out again.)

To those who have read all this, I thank you. And to those who keep fighting the good fight. . .I say thank you as well. It's not easy shouting at the wind. I've done my share, and will do it again in the future, I'm sure.

[ojibwaysweetie]

Thanks for the words traci! :D

[DANCINGEAGLE]

Originally posted by Singing Eagle
Thanks Homa and Dancing Eagle for your poignant remarks!:D

I've got to get me a word calendar :D :D . Hey SE, no thanks needed. Just had to air a little bit.

Traci_M, thanks for the good words.