Open Carry

[NorthofAda]

I was reading this:

Guns and retail are a no-win mix - Retail - msnbc.com

article this morning about the scenario Starbuck's finds itself in, in communities where citizens are allowed to openly carry a firearm.

A couple of weeks back a group in community here in Southeast Wisconsin staged a protest and showed up at a coffee place here guns on. It stirred up all kinds of fuss, media everywhere, etc.

What do you think about this? Would it make you nervous to go into a Starbucks (or a McDonald's, for that matter) if the party standing behind you in line was packing heat? Is it a good thing?

I'm not a gun owner, so I'm curious to see what those of you who own firearms think...have you worn your firearm into a store or other public place? If so, what kind of reaction did you get?

[50cal]

I carry but I got a concealed permit....and no I'm not some crazy gun waving country listening moonshine drinking cousin lovin bearded democrat neither.....just someone who enjoys firearms and my beliefs are mine. LOL!
I just think people tend to go about things the wrong way but is there a right way? For people to show up carrying, it does tend to spook people and I don't think thats right, but it's also the Peoples right....it's bad enough we are slowly being groomed for suppression by this government why should we allow more to be taken.....that's just my opinion.....

[103]

are we talking about hand guns? or Assault Rifles?

I guess people are scared for thier lifes when they carry or just want the protection. if someone started robbing Starbucks - but the cops also say donot be a hero if a place is getting robbed best to give them want they want. Unless your in danger.

[50cal]

yeah then you get shot and your family or others get killed right beside you...and with the way things are going in this world....robbers, killers whatever they are, will fire indiscrimniately into a crowd and take out as many as they can.....so much for giving them what they want....

and I'm pretty sure people are going to open carry assault rifles. LOL!!!...maybe at a gun show, shooting range, military bases, police departments, SWAT raids.....hello dude! handguns.

[MCKiemle]

I can't say that personally it bothers me when people carry their firearms in public,in fact I am anticipating getting my permit to carry one of these days.Just because some one is carrying a gun unconcealed does not mean that they are going to [or are thinking about ] shooting someone.Out where we live most people are hunters,so seeing folks with their guns is not that disturbing.On the other hand however,there are also those who have the attitude of "We got our guns and our trucks and our women, and don't you touch em!!" As with most things,the use and carrying of firearms should be done responsibly and with moderation.There is nothing wrong with guns,it is the behavior of the people using [inappropriately]them that needs to be addressed.

[Mud_Woman]

when i lived in Phoenix, this guy came into the place i worked wearing a handgun ... i froze and i guess i had this look terror on my face (hey! i was only 20 then) ... LoL!! ... the guy showed me his permts, a concealed weapon permit, a state permit, and another 1 cant rememeber ... but i do rememeber in the state of AZ, u can carry a weapon but the gun has to be on one side of ure body and the mag on the other side ...

... i dont rememeber the point of this comment, but i posted anyways .. LoL!! ...

[NorthofAda]

In these cases whatever weapons were being carried were handled in accordance with local law. Here in Wisconsin you can open carry with a permit within certain constraints (i.e., not in a public building, obviously, not within 1000 feet of a school) and if you have a weapon in your car it can't be loaded. Some people have been arrested in spite of complying with the law, although they were later released.

To me if you're following the law, then you shouldn't be harrassed by law enforcement for doing so. This is in a BIG hunting state so I was kind of surprised at how much of a reaction there was to folks carrying a handgun into Starbucks.

MW, I remember as a kid in Phoenix seeing a sign in the grocery store that we used to shop at that basically told people they had to check their weapons in with the store manager as they entered. The first time I saw someone in a store with a handgun in a holster it kind of unnerved me, but then again I had a grandpa who carried a gun in a holster on his seat whenever he drove the highways - just for protection in case he needed it.

I don't know what statistics are out there, but I wonder how many violent crimes are committed by folks with legitimate weapons with the right permits and obtained through the right channels as opposed to those obtained and carried illegally? My gut tells me that the card-carrying gun owners are the least of my worries.

[MCKiemle]

Right on North of Ada,from what I've seen,Most of the people who get a permit to carry are serious about their guns on a healthy level,the other folks who get a permit ,but are crazy,are usually doing it because it makes them look and sound tough,even though they would often times be too afraid or freaked out to pull their piece in a bad situation.Though the most dangerous people to have a weapon are the ones who don't know how to use them,or, are just crazy ( I've known some of those!) and shouldn't even have a gun.
As North of Ada said the people with a permit are probably the least of our worries.

[50cal]

AZ State Requirements

Rifles and Shotguns

• Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
• Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
• Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
• Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

• Permit to purchase handgun? No
• Registration of handguns? No
• Licensing of owners of handguns? No
• Permit to carry handguns? Yes

Purchase:

• It is unlawful to sell or give to a minor, without written consent of the minor's parent or legal guardian, a firearm or ammunition.
• No state permit is required to purchase a shotgun, rifle, or handgun.
• It is unlawful to sell or transfer a firearm to a "prohibited possessor."

Possession

No state permit is required to possess a shotgun, rifle or handgun. It is unlawful for a "prohibited possessor" to possess a firearm.

• A prohibited possessor includes a person found to constitute a danger to himself or others pursuant to a court order and whose court ordered treatment has not been terminated.

• Who has been convicted of a felony involving violence or possession and use of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument and whose civil rights have not been restored.
• Who is at the time of possession serving a term of imprisonment in any correctional or detention facility.
• Who at the time of possession is serving a term of probation pursuant to a conviction for a domestic violence offense or a felony offense, parole, community supervision, work furlough, home arrest or release on any other basis or who is serving a term of probation or parole.

• Who was previously adjudicated delinquent and who possesses, uses or carries a firearm within ten years from the date of adjudication or release for an offense that if committed as an adult would constitute first or second degree burglary, arson, murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, robbery, aggravated assault, sexual assault or any felony offense involving the use or threatening exhibition of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.

• An unemancipated person under 18 not accompanied by a parent, grandparent, guardian, or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with consent of the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian shall not carry or possess on his person, within his immediate control, or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place open to the public or on any street, highway, or on private property, except private property owned or leased by the minor or the minor's parent, grandparent, or guardian.

• This prohibition does not apply to a person between 14 and 17 engaged in lawful hunting, marksmanship practice, transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of hunting or, between 5:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m., transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of marksmanship at a range or other area where the discharge of firearms is not prohibited.

Carrying:

• No person shall carry a firearm "concealed on his person." This does not apply to a person in his dwelling, business premises or on real property owned or leased by that person. A handgun carried in a belt holster which is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage is not considered carrying concealed.
• It is unlawful to carry a firearm concealed within the immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation. This does not apply to firearms carried in a case, holster or in a means of transportation or a storage compartment, trunk, pack, luggage, or glove compartment of a means of transportation.

• No person shall, unless specifically authorized by law, enter a public establishment or attend a public event carrying a firearm after a reasonable request by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event to remove his firearm and place it in the custody of the operator or sponsor. This does not apply to shooting ranges or shooting events, hunting areas or similar locations or activities.
• It is unlawful, unless specifically authorized by law, to enter an election polling place on the day of any election carrying a firearm.

• It is unlawful to possess a deadly weapon on grade or high school grounds. This shall not apply to an unloaded firearm within a means of transportation under the control of an adult, provided, if the adult leaves the vehicle, it shall be locked and the unloaded firearm shall not be visible, or for a program approved by the school.

Permit to Carry a Concealed Weapon

The Department of Public Safety shall issue a permit to carry a concealed weapon to a resident of the state at least 21 years old, a U.S. citizen, who satisfactorily completes an approved firearms safety program, submits fingerprints and a fee determined by the Department of Public Safety, and who does not fall into a class of person prohibited to possess a firearm, such as a convicted felon, adjudicated mental incompetent, or illegal alien.
The qualification checks shall be completed within 60 days of receipt of the application and the permit will be issued within 15 working days after completing the checks.
The permit is valid for not more than four years and is renewable every four years.
Miscellaneous

• It is unlawful to recklessly handle, display, or discharge a firearm with the intent to disturb the peace and quiet of a neighborhood, family or person.
• No person shall discharge a firearm from a motor vehicle, including an automobile, aircraft, train, boat or floating object towed by powerboat or sailboat.
• Wildlife may be taken in defense of self or another.
• No person shall knowingly discharge a firearm into a road or railway.
• It is unlawful to discharge a firearm while taking wildlife within a quarter mile of an occupied farm house or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without the permission of the owner or resident.
• It is unlawful to possess while hunting any contrivance designed to silence, muffle or minimize the report of a firearm.
• It is unlawful for any person while taking wildlife or while in any hunting area to handle or discharge any firearm while intoxicated or in a careless or reckless manner or with wanton disregard for the safety of human life or property.

[50cal]

I love the this state....LOL!!!.....we can also carry a firearm legally on our body, without concealing it and without a permit....now thats crazy.

[Mud_Woman]

50 ... what about on the NN??

[RDNKJ]

Oddly enough, Texas is one of the states that does not allow open-carry. I’ve thought about getting a concealed handgun permit, but I just don’t know where I’d be going where I’d need to carry a concealed weapon. I certainly don’t need to carry a gun in my everyday life, and if I’m driving a long distance I don’t need to have a permit to throw the gun in my glove compartment.

What confuses me is most of the people I see on TV advocating for open carry or concealed handgun permits seem to be from low crime areas. They’re not from Houston’s 5th Ward, they’re from, for example, Dime Box (pop. 400). The chances of any individual being in a “massacre” situation is so slight that I find that reasoning a little specious. Has anything like the Luby’s massacre or any of the mass-murders we’ve had ever been stopped by a civilian with a concealed/open carry handgun? (I’m asking. I really don’t know). I think it is more of a macho thing for people. They use it as an extension of their .

I’m a staunch believer in the 2nd amendment – it’s my right to own as many guns as I want. A well armed populace is the best deterrent against govt. tyranny (imo), but I don’t like the idea of open-carry. I admit that my reasoning is purely emotional and aesthetic. I’d just really rather not see people with guns strapped to their hips. But in the absence of some kind of public safety issue I’ll just have to tolerate it and “get over it” if our Legislature decides to allow open carry.

As for the police saying it is best to just “give them what they want,” I say use your own best judgment. Sometimes it might be better to comply, other times not. I could go on and on about the culture of cowardice we’ve cultivated in this country over the past 30 – 40 years, but that’s another discussion all its own!

[50cal]

50 ... what about on the NN??

The tribe does allow state permits as well. They do not allow the weapon to be loaded or open-carried. If stopped you have to declare the weapon and provide your permit. If not it will be confiscated, and you know what happens to items being confiscated on the rez. Most tribal officers tend to look away thought when they see it mounted. It is illegal to carry in your vehicle. Even if you are just driving thru. If it's in your home, they generally do not say anything for it still is your right to bear arms on the rez, but to openly carry then they question. I've been questioned while on horseback with my handgn and my 30-30. But he let me go with my weapons intact. My explanation was I got a herd of sheep and my cows are calving, I don't want coyotes to get to them.

[50cal]

Nothing to do with gun laws jsut couldn't find anywhere to post.....LOL!!!!

Friday, February 20, 2009

Navajo Nation police officer arrested for DUI



Navajo Nation police officer arrested for DUI
The Arizona Sun - February 20, 2009

A Navajo Nation Police Department officer was arrested in Flagstaff early Wednesday morning on super extreme DUI charges. According to Flagstaff police reports, an officer patrolling along North Fourth Street at about 1:30 a.m. noticed a vehicle traveling through a parking lot. The officer considered it suspicious. When the driver of the vehicle parked the vehicle, the officer illuminated the car and approached. The driver had an odor of intoxicating beverages on his breath. While the driver was performing tests, he mentioned he was a Navajo Nation police officer who worked out of Dilkon, was "screwed" and just wanted to go home. The Flagstaff officer stated that if he were indeed an officer, he should know better than to drive while intoxicated. The driver was taken to the jail and blew into an Intoxilizer. Carlyle Cooke, 26, of Winslow, was subsequently charged with a super extreme DUI, which means a blood-alcohol content above 0.2 percent. The Flagstaff police sergeant on duty called the NPD officer's superior to report the incident. The officer's police belt, duty weapon, police computer and other police property, seized from the vehicle he was driving, were placed into safekeeping. -- Sun staff reports

[Mud_Woman]

The tribe does allow state permits as well. They do not allow the weapon to be loaded or open-carried. If stopped you have to declare the weapon and provide your permit. If not it will be confiscated, and you know what happens to items being confiscated on the rez. Most tribal officers tend to look away thought when they see it mounted. It is illegal to carry in your vehicle. Even if you are just driving thru. If it's in your home, they generally do not say anything for it still is your right to bear arms on the rez, but to openly carry then they question. I've been questioned while on horseback with my handgn and my 30-30. But he let me go with my weapons intact. My explanation was I got a herd of sheep and my cows are calving, I don't want coyotes to get to them.

... and instead of herding ure sheep or looking after ure cows ... 50 is in the distance picking off p-dogs ... LoL!!