Immigration

[Homalosa]

Some observations, newly moved to Bushland

Most of you know that I was born and raised in California and grew up in both Latino and African American communities. There some folks took me for Latino, most thought I was just mixed.
But here, in the land of Bush, I am almost always mistaken for Hispanic , and this time, by African Americans (something that never happened before). Having said that, folks have continuously wanted my opinion on immigration.

After I tell them that no, I wasn't in the march nor will I be, I tell them this:
This country has finally realized that dang, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I am so sick of people telling immigrants to go back to their country, but refuse to have their homes cleaned by Molly Maid (because Maria's sister is so much cheaper and readily available). These same people will not call Chem Lawn, because they prefer Jose's oh so reasonable package prices. Of course a package includes, lawn care, paint jobs, and cleaning service by Maria's sister all for a monthly price of $60.
So bottom line, if you have a problem with people being here illegally then do the following:
1. Grow and pick your own produce.
2. Cook your own food, avoid all restaurants, even the ritzy ones.
3. Cut your own lawn, and learn to do your own handy man jobs.
4. Raise your own children (of course us poor and middle class folks do that already).

And no, I 'm not going to the march, (yes, I'm digressing) I'm not Latino, I'm redblack and am too worried about my feathers and culture and it's sudden illegal status!

[chazziff]

i'm not really sure of the specifics of this "new" immigration policy but following the immigration policies and procedures IS the only route to go ....

i cant tell you just how many "illegal" native people (from the usa) are in this area - central sask. they have families here and ask to get paid in cash using stupid excuses like "its not native culture to receive checks" (to get around having to produce a Social Insurance Number) - f'in laughable i know but i know its happened and this was from a well known male fancy dancer from the states ...

my spouse was here illegally for a short time and he was deported back to the usa and we lived in the states for awhile (i guess i was illegal too i guess .. lol). but he has since applied for and was granted landed immigrant status aug of 2000 and in 2010 he can apply for canadian citizenship (of which he's not entirely sure he will apply for ... but he does say he likes canada more the usa ... but dont tell anyone .. lol)

in the past couple of years we've had other families/couples ask "how" he did it - was able to work here and live here legally. we told them and where to go and how much it will cost (around $3000 + in immigration fees and what burns me now is in the last election the new government has promised to do away with these immigration fees ... basturds!! lol). and now they have immigrated legally and work here .... but there still are illegals in there area askin to be paid in cash .. lol

and you really have to think of these people coming from war torn areas and areas that ethnic cleansing is happening ... where they cant even walk out their front doors without fear of being shot at (and this is the situation in some AMERICAN cities right now i know - just what that micheal moore movie (bowling for columbine) where he compares detroit and the canadian city across the lake windsor (i think) where they are both relatively the same size but ppl in windsor dont lock their front doors!!)

or where ppl are making like 16 hour days for 6 cents an hour to make the beads for mardi gras? for people in the states?!?

but to force someone to learn a language? i dont know about that sure it'll make live "easier" for non bilingual ppl but they in turn lose an aspect of their culture - do you really want a world of cookie cutter american-style ppl out there?

[billyjoejimbob]

There are upsides AND downsides to illegals.

Yeah, they take the crappy jobs, many are hard workers, some TRY to understand and learn.

The problem is that they send the money OUT OF THE COUNTRY. There is already ENOUGH of that going on.

Yeah the landscapers are getting good workers that they pay $5 an hour to mow lawns that they collect $50-100 per month to do. I havent seen a lawn take more than an hour, so the landscaper scumbag is getting 45-95 per hour just because he owns the mower and picks up a guy on the corner. A BAD landscaper has AT LEAST 50 accounts. Thats 50 houses, 1 cut per week, that is $10,000-20,000 monthly! of which $800 goes to the immigrant.

Im tempted to become a scumbag landscaper. My friend has 150 accounts and 2 workers. He pays them $10 and gives them bonuses. I dont even want to know what he makes becuase he isnt the sharpest knife in the draw. He is only a landscaper becuase his father was.

But that is america. the rich people run it and dont care that the middleclass and poor are losing money to illegals, as long as THEIR bank account (which is usually OVERSEAS) has a lot in it.

The wrong people are making the best living in this country.

At least that is how it is in MY area.

[billyjoejimbob]

Oh, and, Im a bill collector...

I dont mind when I hear people say "I HAVE NO MONEY TO PAY YOU"

What i cannot stand and which makes my blood boil is when I hear...

"YOU SPEEKA SPANI?"

[superndngyrl]

Ok they send money back to their countries but they also eat and shop here. Some even have fake SSN so they can work. That's taxes the govt gets and doesn't have to give a refund to.

[chickendad]

Think about it! Natives were here and white (yellow,black, purple etc..) people came from somewhere else... hence the 99% immigrants... and also cuz ndnz only make up .08% of the total US population.

I also don't agree with the make everyone learn English! They did that to us and what good came out of it. A lot of us are just 'lost' and don't know what it means to be ndn and don't know which side to take on an issue. haha *jab, jab*

Besides, a stupid ignorant law that forces people to learn a certain language, may take the funding away for tribal peoples to finance their language preservation programs. Think about everything involving an issue before you decide your stance.

I knew the answer, I was just being a smart a--. Requiring them to learn English is not bad. Our elders had to because English was the dominate society. What was wrong, was that that same society tried to make our peoples forget their languages. Like it or not, English is the main business and trading language in the world. Other countries require their students in school to learne English to be able to do international business. As for keeping cost down because of cheaper labor, those of us on the East Coast know the companies that use illegal labor still charge the same as if they had American labor. So they are becoming rich off of this cheap labor. I have never lost a job to illegals, so that was never my concern. I still worry about what our country can hold population wise naturally. I am also concerned with what else comes across the borders. My civilian job is as a Corrections Officer. Major gangs and drug dealers are also coming across. First it was the Jamacians and Virgin Islands gangs, then it was Asian gangs, now it's the Latin gangs. MS13 is a major Latin gang that is coming across from El Savador. The number of Latino's coming into the Virginia prison system is growing at an alarming rate. Most of these inmates don't speak English, and it causes tenions between staff and other inmate groups. We should control our borders, and control the natural growth of this countries population. Again, when will enough be enough?

[Joe's Dad]

This is a good thread. Many opinions.

I worked with this one guy whose parents were Italian immigrants. Anywayz, he was spewing about "They should send all those immigrantsw back to where they came from" (refering to Mexicans). He didn't like it when I said, "I agree...starting with the ones that came in through Ellis Island!" He didn't talk to me for a couple of weeks. Oh well.

[WhoMe]

This is a good thread. Many opinions.


They should send all those immigrants back to where they came from" ..... He didn't like it when I said, "I agree...starting with the ones that came in through Ellis Island!"

Joe's D,

This is pretty ironic that "the decendents of immigrants and immigration are now concerned about keeping others out."

[Little Man's Ma]

just a question???

Aren't the Mexican people - for the most part - indigenous people like us??

[WhoMe]

just a question???

Aren't the Mexican people - for the most part - indigenous people like us??

LittleM'sM,


Oh heck yes!!!!

Many of these "so called" illegal immigrants, were nomadic and travelled back and forth into this country before the advent of borders!

[redgirl_161]

Everyone in this country are immigrants except the Native Americans, duh...

[wannabeUrNo1Snag]

just a question???

Aren't the Mexican people - for the most part - indigenous people like us??

to my understanding, there are mexicans and there are mexican indians...mexcians would be those who down the line were mixed with the spanish...the mexican indians are those who still have their languages and traditions..like the zapatitas (sp)...the mexican gov't was accused of trying to get rid of them...to the extent of that i'm not too sure but rage against the machine did a song about them...
i for one don't blanket everyone from mexico a mexican because of that...and if i'm not mistaken the mexicans don't like to be associated with the mexican indians...if i'm wrong, someone please correct me...

[*pumpkin*]

Most of you know that I was born and raised in California and grew up in both Latino and African American communities. There some folks took me for Latino, most thought I was just mixed.
But here, in the land of Bush, I am almost always mistaken for Hispanic , and this time, by African Americans (something that never happened before). Having said that, folks have continuously wanted my opinion on immigration.

After I tell them that no, I wasn't in the march nor will I be, I tell them this:
This country has finally realized that dang, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I am so sick of people telling immigrants to go back to their country, but refuse to have their homes cleaned by Molly Maid (because Maria's sister is so much cheaper and readily available). These same people will not call Chem Lawn, because they prefer Jose's oh so reasonable package prices. Of course a package includes, lawn care, paint jobs, and cleaning service by Maria's sister all for a monthly price of $60.
So bottom line, if you have a problem with people being here illegally then do the following:
1. Grow and pick your own produce.
2. Cook your own food, avoid all restaurants, even the ritzy ones.
3. Cut your own lawn, and learn to do your own handy man jobs.
4. Raise your own children (of course us poor and middle class folks do that already).

And no, I 'm not going to the march, (yes, I'm digressing) I'm not Latino, I'm redblack and am too worried about my feathers and culture and it's sudden illegal status!

here here. i am married to an illegal. he's a great HUMAN BEING. i think that's what a lot people are forgetting. we all walk the earth as living, eating, breathing HUMAN BEINGS. my point is this, i'd love to get him legal. as far as forcing someone to speak english, that's really ignorant. this country has no official language. look it up. most of the illegals i know have no permanent plans to stay in this country. yes, they send money home, but they have to LIVE here whilst they make it. that means paying rent, buying groceries, shopping at walmart, and basically putting money into the economy. as far as not paying taxes like the rest of the 'card carrying americans,' a lot of them do. with a fake social, and trust me, there's a lot of 'em, the government is making money hand over fist. it's free money to them. a lot is messed up with this country and it's policies. this is going to take a REAL LONG TIME before any of us can feel the effects. it just bothers me to see any group treated like dogs or spoken about as if less than human. i like to help people, and if they can't speak the language i still try my best to help them. i support anyone trying to help themselves and their kids to better life. survival of the fittest. i'm not steppin on anyone or kickin them out of the country because of it. these jobs were here before the illegals and no one wanted them then, now all of a sudden...come on, really. this topic makes my blood BOIL.

[Brisa26]

LINK to An Article I Read Today:

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[Joe's Dad]

just a question???

Aren't the Mexican people - for the most part - indigenous people like us??

If you've ever had the opportunity to partake of the different indigenous cultures in North America, you would see how true your statement is. Two of my most memorable times have been in 1) Arlee, Mt. when an elder woman came to our camp and handed me two cans of commod luncheon meat to help on our journey, 2) attending a danza, or dance, in a small barrio on the outskirts of Mexico City. There was a grandfather, wearing just an old blanket, dancing in the circle like he was wearing a hundred feathers. Albeit, how poor people can be, this richness in indigenous culture is what makes people who and what they are. No "I'm x% indian can come close to the indigenous cultures we enjoy.

Let me get off my soapbox. Let's sing the 'Immigrant song'.