Immigration

[Joe G]

It's also interesting that Mexico is very difficult to emigrate IN to....and has a very tight grip on it's southern border. Maybe the US should build a 'wall' yeah right, they'd probably hire illegal aliens to build it! I don't see congress doing very much about this anytime soon...since:
on the left side..it will increase the total number of votes, over time...and on the right side, there is cheap labor to be exploited...so it will be VERY hard to solve this problem.....and also to pay for it...since while we are allowing this increase, we are also at the very same time, determined to send most entry level, or manufacturing and labor jobs overseas!!!
very coherent policy? GREED....at it's finest.
It's hard to fault people who wish to gain a better life for themselves, and as stated, very nearly everyone except NDNS immigrated here (or, more correctly invaded) at one point in time or another...the question is HOW many can we support, and does the law apply? or if not, then why have it?
I think the super rich are nearly all 'globalists' and wish to control the $$ of the whole world..and aren't really all that concerned about national sovereignity.....since their real desire is a one world economy....where 5% have all the money....so they outsource most of the jobs which will be needed here by the other 95%....and remain willing to exploit any and all from anywhere.....

[ndnmama]

The only race not an immigrate is Native!!!

Ok, firstly great to read all of the replies to the immigration story. I think that the new immigration laws are nothing more that a flashback to the discrimination that we as a people have dealt with in our past. We have a race of hard working people that are being denied the right to move to a country that they can provide for their families better. What does the Statue of Liberty have printed on the front of her statue at her feet? I will let you research that one. My father is Chicano and my mother is Native American. My grandparents were here illegally. They opened their own Mexican restaurant and became very successful. My father still has the business. He tried hiring "americans" but they didn't want to show up for work, didn't want to do the work for $6 or $7 an hour, and when he hired some family from mexico you don't hear complaint just that they are happy to be making more than $3 hour and happy to be providing for their family. We as natives should not be looking at our brown brothers with distent. They had their lands taken from them also (parts of Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona.) The reason we learn history is so that it will not repeat itself. But oh yeah we didn't learn indian history is school, we learned the white man history, they didn't do anything wrong to the indians. For a law abiding law enforcing country to be so high and mighty with sticking to the laws. What about our treaties? Are those lot legal binding documents signed by government officials? So we want to enforce laws when it benefits the white man? I haven't seen any Mexicans blow anything up, these are not the illegal immigrants we should be worried about. As far as taking food or benefits from the american citizens. There is more white trailer trash taking from the system then all Mexican illegal immigrates here today. Thank you

[ndnmama]

Language

i forgot in my previous reply all the statements about Illegals not speaking english. Do you hear yourself when you ask that question? my grandfather was punished in boarding school for not speaking english. Many of my elders of my tribe do not speak english. So do you demand that they learn the english language or be forced to speak it? We was here first and maybe everyone should learn the native language from the region they live in.

[chickendad]

If they are indigious peoples and not spanish decendents, are they really immigrants, once there were no borders for our people. As far as those who are not i think they should immigrate into america the legally and i wouldnt have a problems. As poor aas i am i dont think america could feed many more mouths with out more changes to our system, them maybe we could take on more immigrants. right now i dont think its a good time for illegal imigrants but legal ones ar ok

There has always been borders. Each tribe protected what they concidered their land. Though they didn't lay claim as the white people did, with paper work and deeds. They still laid claim for reasons of survival, food. To cross into another tribes or villagers land without premission was very bad. Our people did fight for what they concidered theirs. Be that as it may, we have to realize that the world is what it is today. There are borders and laws, even though not all agree.

[chickendad]

i forgot in my previous reply all the statements about Illegals not speaking english. Do you hear yourself when you ask that question? my grandfather was punished in boarding school for not speaking english. Many of my elders of my tribe do not speak english. So do you demand that they learn the english language or be forced to speak it? We was here first and maybe everyone should learn the native language from the region they live in.

As I wrote in a earlier reply, they need to learn the language to be able to get along with the business comunity. Our elders were forced to learn English, and were punished for speaking their own. No one is saying they have to forget their language. As for hard workers, I have worked in constructions back in the 80's when the first large influx of Latino's were coming in. They, like all other races I've worked with, had their good workers and their bad workers. So to say they work harder as a group is disrespectful of all other groups. There is laziness and free booters in all races.

[LILfawn]

you make some very good points. compared to other places we let people get away with too much. its prob. why we have been a target to other countries like what happened in 9/11.

[One Hot Mama]

And y'all would be well advised to start checking to see if anyone is using your social security number. Most of the illegals are using fake ss cards with real ss#'s to work, and if they apply for a car or house loan, or credit of any kind, they are using a social security number.

Also, if they use yours or your kids' ss# to file an income tax return, that means YOU can't use it to file yours, and they could end up with your income tax return money. Or the IRS can come after you for unreported income-the money the illegal made using your ss#.

I work at DHS and see this all the time, and when I question where they got the social security number they get defensive and try to say its none of my business. I run the numbers to see if they are in our system then go to the social security database to verify whether or not the number is theirs...right in front of them. It comes back that its not and I report them for fraud...right in front of them. Most of them tell me I have no right to do that, despite the fact that it is a federal felony offense to be using a social security number not specifically issued to the person by the US Gov't, that illegal aliens do not have any right to privacy, and they are hurting others by using their ss#. They DO NOT care who they are hurting.

Also, the women keep having kids by the same guy, but he's ALWAYS in Mexico. So they get welfare benefits(Food stamps/medicaid) for their legal kids, and even AFDC. You know the husband is in the home, working, and making enough money that they wouldn't qualify for benefits at all, but there's no way to prove it.

Employers hire illegals specifically so they don't have to pay payroll, income, social security/medicaid, workers comp, or unemployment insurance taxes. IF the illegal worker gets hurt on the job, the employer is not liable. The employer can fire an illegal for whatever reason and not worry about repercussions. They can freely harass, abuse, and exploit the illegals, and face no legal penalties- who's going to report it, the illegal?

The thing to do is to to go after the employers, bust them and fine them big time, maybe even send them to jail. No jobs, no reason to come up here.

We got a bunch of Hondurans who love to party loud and late, and actually threaten anyone who calls the cops. One guy had his salsa crap going really loud, and I got tired of it, so I hook my husband's amps up to our stereo system and slap in my son's Young Bird CD full blast. Got his attention!

Hey, they wanna share their music, why not share ours?

[between2worlds]

The news media has done a bit of reporting on the "immigration" problem. There are two issues that are glossed over.

The first and most disappointing is that there is little said on what makes an immigrant "illegal". Most people assume "Rio Grande swimmers" and that's the stereo type that the media plays on. I am a US citizen legally married to an [Irish] foreign national. My wife entered this country legally. Yet, over the last 11 years my wife has been legal, illegal, and legal again. Right now I am forking over yet more money to attorneys to keep her from once again becoming illegal.

The enforcement of immigration laws are capricious. INS plays a game to satifsy the dictates of the GAO. The GAO mandates that INS meet certain targets for denying claims, issuing deportation orders and executing those orders. If an INS agent hasn't met his quota this month - look out... because the paperwork you submit has to satisfy that indivdual agent!


The second issue is one that has to do with native peoples, particularly the Tohono O'odham, whose lands lie on both sides of the US/Mexican border. To read what falls outside of the 30 sec soundbites that pass for news try :

http://www.azstarnet.com/tohono/

Canadian-born ndns who are 50% BQ are protected by Article III of the Jay Treaty (see http://www.ptla.org/wabanaki/jaytreaty.htm for more information). But this protection does not extend to spouses or children.

SO.... it's not just Mexicans "climbing the fence" or Haitians or Cubans "washing ashore". ndn people are being affected too. Northern peoples indirectly (the whole BQ thing) and southern peoples directly.

I would think that outrage should be focused where it belongs: on a government which is so hopelessly drowning in it's own inefficiencies that it cannot sort out keeping its borders secure whilst using common sense to accomplish this goal.

Patrick

[WhoMe]

Food for thought

Most powwow people have heard of the Gray Horse Drum group?

This great drum has been out of circulation and I just found out one of the reasons...


The lead singer's daughter was murdered by an illegal immigrant, from south of the border, while she was living in the Dallas area.

Justice could not be served because this illegal immigrant simply went back across the border and cannot be prosecuted!

This murder has traumatized the lead singer.

[little bird]

Most powwow people have heard of the Gray Horse Drum group?

This great drum has been out of circulation and I just found out one of the reasons...


The lead singer's daughter was murdered by an illegal immigrant, from south of the border, while she was living in the Dallas area.

Justice could not be served because this illegal immigrant simply went back across the border and cannot be prosecuted!

This murder has traumatized the lead singer.

[chazziff]

just a couple of cents here ... seems to be ALOT of bashing of illegal/legal immigrants here ... that they are all murders, drunk drivers and scam welfare.

there's alot of native ppl out there that do alot of the same things ... how many native women YOU know who are getting welfare/food stamps/WIC while their "boyfriends" or "legally seperated" husbands are working full time - while they live in the same household? theres alot of murder victims out there that were murdered by legal citizens of the US and are never found or prosecuted either ... and one of the counsellor from my first nation just recently got his licence back from a drunk driving violations from like 10 years ago ...

will keeping illegal or legal immigrants out of the great ol united states of america really stop all these problems?

[*Brown Eyed Gurl*]

phh i got some ppl that collect $$ over there and then collect over here..and they are elders lol....been that way for yearrrrs my momma told me

[One Hot Mama]

Well, one thing I can say about the Latino illegals that makes them pretty much the same as the other "immigrants" up here; they hate NDN's.

[little wolf]

[QUOTE=wannabeUrNo1Snag]there are plenty of ndn people who wouldn't join this countrys armed forces to fight their battles on foreign land...i think ur comment about that applies to every race in this country and don't think it should be a requirement...

there are loop holes in the system..i saw on cnn that there wuz this mexican family down in ga...they came here illegally..BUT the gov't says they can stay here if they pay taxes..and u know what...they do...they are a hard working family who just wanted a better life for their kids...

i find it ironic how the immigrants are whinning about the immigrants...in the end they just want the samething...

i know plenty of hispanics at my other job...they may not have came here illegally but i'll tell u..they work hard...they do ****ty work for ****ty pay...and in my opinion its not right...not only that they work crazee hours but they don't get overtime...and why not?? cuz people take advantage of the fact that their english is limited and they don't really know how the system works...and that whole learn english thing...not all of them only speak spanish...

and while we're on the topic..why is only mexico mentioned..what about haiti?? n cuba?? i'm sure that there are some "illegals" from those countries...

yeah i think there should be some order to it..i mean risking ur life in the back of some truck is not worth... Thank you and DITTO! Where is this thing about that they don't pay taxes? My husband and every hispanic I know pays taxes out of their check every week.. The ones that are illegal can't file so all that money goes to who? The USA.. And what about this S**it about the don't pay taxes for 7 years?? Mexicans don't get off that easy.. I have head firsthand from some Hindus that I know that they don't pay taxes for the first 7 yrs.. then they put the business Mohamed or Patel's name.. Why does alot keep downing the Mexicans.. THe others that are over here from India.. etc etc...I'm not Hispanic but my Husband is and My Grandbabies are... Beautiful people!.. Well thats my 2 cents

[chickendad]

[QUOTE=little wolf]

there are plenty of ndn people who wouldn't join this countrys armed forces to fight their battles on foreign land...i think ur comment about that applies to every race in this country and don't think it should be a requirement...

there are loop holes in the system..i saw on cnn that there wuz this mexican family down in ga...they came here illegally..BUT the gov't says they can stay here if they pay taxes..and u know what...they do...they are a hard working family who just wanted a better life for their kids...

i find it ironic how the immigrants are whinning about the immigrants...in the end they just want the samething...

i know plenty of hispanics at my other job...they may not have came here illegally but i'll tell u..they work hard...they do ****ty work for ****ty pay...and in my opinion its not right...not only that they work crazee hours but they don't get overtime...and why not?? cuz people take advantage of the fact that their english is limited and they don't really know how the system works...and that whole learn english thing...not all of them only speak spanish...

and while we're on the topic..why is only mexico mentioned..what about haiti?? n cuba?? i'm sure that there are some "illegals" from those countries...

yeah i think there should be some order to it..i mean risking ur life in the back of some truck is not worth... Thank you and DITTO! Where is this thing about that they don't pay taxes? My husband and every hispanic I know pays taxes out of their check every week.. The ones that are illegal can't file so all that money goes to who? The USA.. And what about this S**it about the don't pay taxes for 7 years?? Mexicans don't get off that easy.. I have head firsthand from some Hindus that I know that they don't pay taxes for the first 7 yrs.. then they put the business Mohamed or Patel's name.. Why does alot keep downing the Mexicans.. THe others that are over here from India.. etc etc...I'm not Hispanic but my Husband is and My Grandbabies are... Beautiful people!.. Well thats my 2 cents

As a soldier, I do feel it is a responsiblity that everyone who enters and lives in this country be willing to defend it. Like I said earlier, it's part of the swearing in of new citizens, to defend this country against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Of course not all people who live here are doing just that. It's their right, but if a draft were to happen, then all who are called must do their duty. If you don't like what is happening in the world, then vote for something different. But as a citizen, all might be require to do things they feel they are against. I don't like what is happening, but I do my duty according to my commitment. I also vote, and I voted against the leaders we have. As for hard workers, I have worked with many races, and again all races have good workers and bad workers. Latino's are not always the hardest workers. I whole complaint about this thread is that there has to be a cut off somewhere, sometimes. Unfortunitly it's the Latino's who are coming over the most at this time in our history, and they are getting most of the blame. Everything is on supply and demand. Be it jobs, gas, food, polution, everthing. Our country can only support so many people. I feel it's time to cut off others coming in and let our country grow thru natural growth. It's not to demean anyone, it's to attempt to get people to realize there's not enough for everyone. We have enough problems on our own to worry about.