Immigration

[Migiziwomen]

you know what i hate is when people give you red dots but do not have the courage to sign their name, although sometimes it is easy to figure out who it is

well sorry for sounding so hateful to you ... and what's with the big fonts? and you might want to do a spell check before you click submit ...

you're right i dont know whats going on in their lives and i was just giving an example of an "legal immigration process" - sorry it only took us a couple of years and a few grand. tell them good luck ... and if she gets deported so be it. nothing we or they can do about it, except try again or choose to live together in mexico.

and gee thanks for uninviting me ... think i'll go home and cry myself to sleep on my pillow, with my "free" nation wide healthcare, low national murder/crime rates and higher quality of living ... and i almost forgot "my" jay treaty

[CJTurtle]

i'm not sure if i understand ur comment about the flying of the american flag...are u sayin that immigrants shouldn't fly their own flags over the us flag?? or that the us flag should come 1st?? or should it be the only flag they fly??

i don't know about anyone else but i'd fly my tribes flags before i fly an american one...n definitely not second to a us flag...even tho ur comment wuz directed to the immigrant population, i feel that everyone is entitled to feel proud of their heritage and if flying their respective flags is a way for them to do it than thats kewl...

I would fly my own too. But what point I was getting at is they say their country is so bad that they want to make a better life in America. When they come here they fly their flag like this is their country.

I also have respect for the American flag because we had OUR soldiers fighting in war as well to protect this land. Besides we are the real Americans LOL.

Why I mentioned this is children at a school here in Colorado where being told not to wear the red white and blue because it would 'offend' other students. This is America, when kids of soldiers can't wear their country's flag because it "offends" others there's a problem. Fighting in the schools was the cause.

[chazziff]

lol hey i wanna move up to canada...since we're on the issue of immigration, is it true that in order to move up there, ur required to have 10 yrs in ur work field, come into the country with 10 g's and come with ur own healthcare??...a friend of mine has a son who jus moved up there...has it always been that way or has it recently changed due to 9/11 or people jus wanting to get out of the us??

well not when my partner "landed" (sounds dumb lol) - we just filled out our paperwork, paid any necessary fees and we didnt get a lawyer at any time.

and as for the healthcare we have national healthcare for everyone regardless where they came from, as long as they are legal and apply to the province where they live. the day my partner got "landed immigrant" status, he applied and was covered immediately. i'm not sure if this goes for ppl on visas though - maybe thats why her son needs his own healthcare ..

things like doctor visits, x-rays, lab tests, some operations are covered and hosp stays in public rooms. as for prescriptions - some are covered by the plan, but most arent, but if you get health coverage at work (or pay for private coverage (bluecross)) the coverage is on more drugs.

but he is required to not be on social assistance at any time according to his landed immigrant sponsorship agreement. i am considered his "sponsor" and have to kinda support him .. lol.

as for that 10 year thing - i think that only goes for ppl like doctors, if i remember from the paperwork ... and ppl in more specialized fields like doctors and lawyers have to find occupations that dont take away from ppl in those same specialized fields FROM here. but they get alot of docs from places like africa to come here though ...

and for the 10 grand - ppl who come in on visas or just for visits are required to have enough $$ to get home (a return plane ticket should suffice) but that 10 grand amount probably came from those signs at the border - "if you are carrying more than 10 grand on your person you have to declare it" ...

[Migiziwomen]

yah you are right windrider, fight less, stand together more

<----offers her hand to chaz

I second that emotion....Calm down Brothers an Sisters.And I am including myself in this.I did not start this thread to get us natives at each others throat.I feel for the man from Canada and wish him much luck.It is not so much the common immigrant who is searching for a better life for thier families that is causing the problem.It is those in the streets waving thier flags and demanding that we give them a big chunk of our country and all of the rights they have not earned.If anyone has a right to raise hell it is us natives.We are a part of this land our lawmakers are giving away.Our Ancestors were given the duty of caring for the land and it is our resposibility to care for it as well and pass this tradition on to our children.

Even tho we may not agree,and quibble as Brothers and Sisters do,we must remember that when the time comes we must stand TALL and STRONG and TOGETHER.I may dis you and you may dis me but let no outsider dis either one of us.

Native People lift your pipes and make your offers and remember....WE ARE THE KEEPERS OF THIS LAND.......BE PROUD OF BEING NDN AND ALL THAT IT ENTAILS....

[Migiziwomen]

the only flag i have in my front yard is the MLB flag.....yaahh!

i'm not sure if i understand ur comment about the flying of the american flag...are u sayin that immigrants shouldn't fly their own flags over the us flag?? or that the us flag should come 1st?? or should it be the only flag they fly??

i don't know about anyone else but i'd fly my tribes flags before i fly an american one...n definitely not second to a us flag...even tho ur comment wuz directed to the immigrant population, i feel that everyone is entitled to feel proud of their heritage and if flying their respective flags is a way for them to do it than thats kewl...

[Migiziwomen]

i almost always us big fonts, i am getting eye surgery, nothing is meant by it. also the problem i have is that you feel the need to be hateful like the comment on my spelling that is a personal attack and not really needed. again it just shows your rudeness. in one paragraph you say you are sorry for sounding hateful and then you go on to be hateful again. and i am glad you like your country you should, i never claimed the U.S. was better, or worse.

well sorry for sounding so hateful to you ... and what's with the big fonts? and you might want to do a spell check before you click submit ...

you're right i dont know whats going on in their lives and i was just giving an example of an "legal immigration process" - sorry it only took us a couple of years and a few grand. tell them good luck ... and if she gets deported so be it. nothing we or they can do about it, except try again or choose to live together in mexico.

and gee thanks for uninviting me ... think i'll go home and cry myself to sleep on my pillow, with my "free" nation wide healthcare, low national murder/crime rates and higher quality of living ... and i almost forgot "my" jay treaty

[wannabeUrNo1Snag]

and gee thanks for uninviting me ... think i'll go home and cry myself to sleep on my pillow, with my "free" nation wide healthcare, low national murder/crime rates and higher quality of living ... and i almost forgot "my" jay treaty

lol hey i wanna move up to canada...since we're on the issue of immigration, is it true that in order to move up there, ur required to have 10 yrs in ur work field, come into the country with 10 g's and come with ur own healthcare??...a friend of mine has a son who jus moved up there...has it always been that way or has it recently changed due to 9/11 or people jus wanting to get out of the us??

[wannabeUrNo1Snag]

I have been sitting here reading all the responses of everyone on here.
I do have this question. Here's the question....... If these immigrants are coming over to be proud Americans, why is their flag held up over the American Flag?

Just recently they had problems here in Colorado.

What is to become of our futures? Overcrowded lands, its bad enough that I see mountains being build on and all natural resources are turning into townhomes, in which I know I can't afford. What's next?

i'm not sure if i understand ur comment about the flying of the american flag...are u sayin that immigrants shouldn't fly their own flags over the us flag?? or that the us flag should come 1st?? or should it be the only flag they fly??

i don't know about anyone else but i'd fly my tribes flags before i fly an american one...n definitely not second to a us flag...even tho ur comment wuz directed to the immigrant population, i feel that everyone is entitled to feel proud of their heritage and if flying their respective flags is a way for them to do it than thats kewl...

[Brisa26]

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[windrider]

I second that emotion....Calm down Brothers an Sisters.And I am including myself in this.I did not start this thread to get us natives at each others throat.I feel for the man from Canada and wish him much luck.It is not so much the common immigrant who is searching for a better life for thier families that is causing the problem.It is those in the streets waving thier flags and demanding that we give them a big chunk of our country and all of the rights they have not earned.If anyone has a right to raise hell it is us natives.We are a part of this land our lawmakers are giving away.Our Ancestors were given the duty of caring for the land and it is our resposibility to care for it as well and pass this tradition on to our children.

Even tho we may not agree,and quibble as Brothers and Sisters do,we must remember that when the time comes we must stand TALL and STRONG and TOGETHER.I may dis you and you may dis me but let no outsider dis either one of us.

Native People lift your pipes and make your offers and remember....WE ARE THE KEEPERS OF THIS LAND.......BE PROUD OF BEING NDN AND ALL THAT IT ENTAILS....

[msanchezjr]

wow

WOW ,calm down everybody.

[chazziff]

well sorry for sounding so hateful to you ... and what's with the big fonts? and you might want to do a spell check before you click submit ...

you're right i dont know whats going on in their lives and i was just giving an example of an "legal immigration process" - sorry it only took us a couple of years and a few grand. tell them good luck ... and if she gets deported so be it. nothing we or they can do about it, except try again or choose to live together in mexico.

and gee thanks for uninviting me ... think i'll go home and cry myself to sleep on my pillow, with my "free" nation wide healthcare, low national murder/crime rates and higher quality of living ... and i almost forgot "my" jay treaty

[Migiziwomen]

i do not think i infered that at all, i think you just read something into what i said. also you assumed that they have not been working on it, because they have been. and what do you mean by legally, they did not meet befor she got here, he has been trying to get her legal. you did alot of assuming and mouthing with out know all of what happened. you have no idea why her parents came here and neither do i but since you think you are so educated on the subject and have the right to make rude comments about people you do not know that might need our help (that is us in the USA) let me just univite you. and when i say it pisses me off i am talking about the kids but you do not seem to give a crap that there are now kids involved and that it is not thier fault. my friends are so tied up in parework it is not even funny they have been working on this for years and years and yes spending alot of money that he earned, he supports this family not the government so it is not "this women " that people are talking about, my friend makes good money and he takes care of his family, she is a house wife and takes care of the kids. she has studied american history and speaks fluent english. i am not sure why you think you have the right to be angry but get over it and stop being so hateful.

well you were the one who made it sound like this woman should be exempted from being deported cuz she was illegal who was in LOVE with an american and had two children ... if her spouse was sooo set on making sure she stays in the country they should have done it "legally" and should get on with the process ... regardless of whether or not her parents dragged her across the border ... or her parents should have made sure she was legal ...

as for my spouse - he came into canada from the us on visiter's/work visas every time he came up ... he was "illegal" once when his visa expired and he was unable to leave until two days after it expired - soo in a sense he was "illegal" for two days ...

people like this woman who you speak of are the ones all these other people are talking/complaining about in the great old U S of A ... AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT

[chazziff]

well you were the one who made it sound like this woman should be exempted from being deported cuz she was illegal who was in LOVE with an american and had two children ... if her spouse was sooo set on making sure she stays in the country they should have done it "legally" and should get on with the process ... regardless of whether or not her parents dragged her across the border ... or her parents should have made sure she was legal ...

as for my spouse - he came into canada from the us on visiter's/work visas every time he came up ... he was "illegal" once when his visa expired and he was unable to leave until two days after it expired - soo in a sense he was "illegal" for two days ...

people like this woman who you speak of are the ones all these other people are talking/complaining about in the great old U S of A ... AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT

[Migiziwomen]

wow, that is such a disrespectful way to start your response out!!!!
i just really do not know what to say to you, i felt that your response was thoughtless it is different her, my friend could loose his wife for 10 years, well he would prooly just go with her. i am thinking that they do not want to raise the kids in Mexico. i have all kinds of angry things running through my head that i want to say to you but i will refrain. I really do not see the conection between someone going up there without papers and someone taking thier family and leaving thier home in search of a better life for thier kids. thoughless is what comes to mind when i read your response to what i posted.
QUOTE=chazziff]ooh boo hoo ..

i fell in love with an illegal immigrant from the united states and we went through the legal canadian immigration route about four years of being together and now he is legal - works pays taxes and pays for his health care through private insurance and pays into canadian pension plan/employment insurance and a private pension plan ... been together almost 14 years and have 4 children. and it took over $3000.00 altogether in fees (money that we saved up by the way cuz be couldnt work, through pow wows - gotta love winnin schemitzun drum contest - paid for his fees .. lol) and a novel of paperwork but we did it.

go get legal or get out ... sorry for being soo mean soundin but its my two cents and i'll spend it however i choose[/QUOTE]