a man seeking wisdom

[mebdrum1]

If you want to believe in that then that is your choice. When you start trying to make people believe your way is the best way then I have a serious problem with that.

I agree, to me the point isn't "do you believe?" it's "please don't tell me I'm wrong then proceed to push your beliefs on me." My way is the best way for me...but maybe not for you.

I do understand, (I think) why some religions feel they MUST push their beliefs. It's a moral-choice thing. Just like chosing to help someone in need is a moral issue, some religions consider it amoral to NOT try to bring someone into the fold and save their soul (well, I hope you know what I mean). It's akin to not giving CPR to a dying person.

sorry if I'm ruining the enjoyment of this thread by continuing the discussion...but I enjoy contemplating the motivations behind people's behavior...doesn't mean I like the behavior.

Please feel free to contemplate my behavior!

[chickendad]

To some, they feel by bringing converts they get bonus points. The Bible was written by someone not there hundreds of years after the fact. Our ways are always here for us to see. When we go on the mountain, it's the same mountain used by Elders for generations. Some people have in their area stone paintings that go back further than the Bible, sacred areas where our people have gone to. In each of our peoples and areas we have somewhere to go that has been used by us for spiritual ceremonies longer the Bible has been written. So why not us our stuff to get focused, balanced. If was good enough for the Elders, it should be good enough for us.

[AngelFeather]

( i read it LSD at first! )

[GRANDSON OF ZEELA]

Badmaninc, You must be catholic, not all churches have alter boys. And to you a special blessing !

[Mato Winyan]

Dang........... only catholics get a "special blessing" dangg.......... that's messed up!

[TKMJ Productions]

A new twist

Genisis, the first book of the bible talks of creation. It took six days for the Creator to make this happen. On the seventh day the Creator rested. That's understandable. Everyone needs a day off. Each day could have been a normal 24 hour day as we know it, or millions of years. No one really knows.

Evolution took millions of years as we know. The earth and universe still continue to change all the time. Some things live, others die. However we know that everything around us and including us is evolving in some way or form.

Did you ever think that Genisis from the bible and Evolution may run hand in hand? Think about it. Are we living today in the Creators seventh day of Genisis? Whats going to happen next week when the Creator punches the clock and starts a new work week?

Another thought: Noah built the ark. Was the flood due to the Creator being angry or was the flood caused by a natural disaster from the earth naturally evolving like earth quakes and volcanos blowing their tops?

Can Genisis and Evolution be the same concept?

[badmaninc]

Badmaninc, You must be catholic, not all churches have alter boys. And to you a special blessing !

Dude, that's all you got, you're in trouble. Did you even notice I spelled alter wrong. Hello, don't take yourself so seriously.

[GRANDSON OF ZEELA]

Mato, you are special too, and here is a special blessing for you.
badmaninc, if you spelled alter wrong, no one holds that against you, atleast I won't ! I'm not an editooooor, oops
I might have spelled something wrong here tooooo.
Did I leave out a comma somewhere? ut oh ! someone may not be able to understand the sentence.
I am a simple people, lol

[TKMJ Productions]

Genisis, the first book of the bible talks of creation. It took six days for the Creator to make this happen. On the seventh day the Creator rested. That's understandable. Everyone needs a day off. Each day could have been a normal 24 hour day as we know it, or millions of years. No one really knows.

Evolution took millions of years as we know. The earth and universe still continue to change all the time. Some things live, others die. However we know that everything around us and including us is evolving in some way or form.

Did you ever think that Genisis from the bible and Evolution may run hand in hand? Think about it. Are we living today in the Creators seventh day of Genisis? Whats going to happen next week when the Creator punches the clock and starts a new work week?

Another thought: Noah built the ark. Was the flood due to the Creator being angry or was the flood caused by a natural disaster from the earth naturally evolving like earth quakes and volcanos blowing their tops?

Can Genisis and Evolution be the same concept?

After rereading my post, I have found something that may make it look like I am not a Christian or are questioning the teachings of the bible. I am very much a Christian person and do believe in the bible very strongly. However I must point out that all things are dictated by the Creator. Our free will and thought process is a natural gift from the Creator. I must also includes the natural evolution of all things. I believe the Creator planned things this way.

[CandaePrincess]

The way I see it is...whatever gets you through the day without killing yourself or others around you......GO FOR IT!!! You want to be in a cult that practices teachings by a guy who wrote science fiction.....no one is stopping you. You wanna drink the red Kool-aid, go for it. You want to kiss snakes and dance with them....(wow), go for it!!! You want to go to church on Sundays and talk about others (clothing, character, etc.) go for it!!!!!!!!! Just don't force anyone else to!!!!!!!

I'll invite people I think could use it, to my church affiliation, but I'm not going to bug them and drive them nuts asking EVERY time I see them. *L*


k, i'm done.

[Blackbear]

Genisis, the first book of the bible talks of creation. It took six days for the Creator to make this happen. On the seventh day the Creator rested. That's understandable. Everyone needs a day off. Each day could have been a normal 24 hour day as we know it, or millions of years. No one really knows.

Evolution took millions of years as we know. The earth and universe still continue to change all the time. Some things live, others die. However we know that everything around us and including us is evolving in some way or form.

Did you ever think that Genisis from the bible and Evolution may run hand in hand? Think about it. Are we living today in the Creators seventh day of Genisis? Whats going to happen next week when the Creator punches the clock and starts a new work week?

Another thought: Noah built the ark. Was the flood due to the Creator being angry or was the flood caused by a natural disaster from the earth naturally evolving like earth quakes and volcanos blowing their tops?

Can Genisis and Evolution be the same concept?

I agree.. if you just look at science and it's explanations, you could still make a comparison that it backs up the bible, but that's if you take in consideration that what they wrote about was how they saw things back then. Like the big bang theory..maybe it happened, but maybe that's how god got things going right? Maybe he caused the big bang... we won't know for sure till we pass over.

As for Noah, the bible is'nt the only place that Noah's story is recorded. It was recorded in various parts of the earth, some before the bible was even written.

[TKMJ Productions]

I agree.. if you just look at science and it's explanations, you could still make a comparison that it backs up the bible, but that's if you take in consideration that what they wrote about was how they saw things back then. Like the big bang theory..maybe it happened, but maybe that's how god got things going right? Maybe he caused the big bang... we won't know for sure till we pass over.

As for Noah, the bible is'nt the only place that Noah's story is recorded. It was recorded in various parts of the earth, some before the bible was even written.

OK Let's talk Noah. I believe that Noah was given the sign long time before the rains came. He had to have. I'm sure the ark took a long time to build. To house all of those animals and stuff, It had to be huge.

I'm also believe that the Creator gave everyone quite a few signs in the form of natural disasters as a warning. Noah was the only one who heeded the warnings that we know of. Therefor he survived. I do believe that there we also others who survived the disasters I speak of, but they are undocumented.

One last note: No one can put a true timeline between Genisis and Noah. It could have been a century as we know it or a million years.

Most of the books that have been written (Koran, Bible,etc) were all written by man in the words of the time. All have been translated into modern words so all can understand.
How much is fact? How much is fiction? And how much could not be understood and lost and was not translated?

There is so much we will never know, one must have faith and assume the teaching of the books are correct. I also believe that all the "good books" were written as a guide line for future generations.

[chickendad]

I am not trying to put down the three mainstream religions, I am trying to find out what is wrong with ours being the only one we follow. Though to guess what years or days meant back when the Bible was suppose to have been written, science has shown that that their was no Earth covering flood. Noah's flood is now possibly the result of a breaking of a nature dam near I think the Black Sea or Dead Sea. It flooded that area only. Our Elders were here and didn't die in a great flood according to science. Though some may not agree with science. For Noah and his sons to have tools and ability to build an ark, it had to be a time period we can trace. That time period is known to us, and we know there was other peoples living and triving in other lands. The story in my opinion is used to put fear in their followers to show what happens when you don't follow their rules. Sodom and Gamora (don't know how to spell them) were suppose to have been blown completely off the face of the Earth. Now sciencist believe they have found them and that they were not distroied. By having stories of floods, fire and brimstone, a group of leaders can bring fear into the people and control them. I've never heard any of our stories from our traditions of the Great Spirit destroying his people.

[GRANDSON OF ZEELA]

To fear God " THE CREATOR " is often viewed as being wise !
Jesus Said " fear not what man can do to you " etc.
You will live on after the physical death.
But fear what god can do to you.
a burning lake of fire for an eternity doesn't sound to comforting to me.
So, yes, fear is used to control you.
In a sence, it's the same way your parents corrected you when you were a child, to keep you from harming yourself or someone else... or to obey them.
You have a choice, you can follow your ancestors teachings, or the teachings of the bible, or not to follow any teachings, etc.
Free Will. Live On !!!

[TKMJ Productions]

I am not trying to put down the three mainstream religions, I am trying to find out what is wrong with ours being the only one we follow. Though to guess what years or days meant back when the Bible was suppose to have been written, science has shown that that their was no Earth covering flood. Noah's flood is now possibly the result of a breaking of a nature dam near I think the Black Sea or Dead Sea. It flooded that area only. Our Elders were here and didn't die in a great flood according to science. Though some may not agree with science. For Noah and his sons to have tools and ability to build an ark, it had to be a time period we can trace. That time period is known to us, and we know there was other peoples living and triving in other lands. The story in my opinion is used to put fear in their followers to show what happens when you don't follow their rules. Sodom and Gamora (don't know how to spell them) were suppose to have been blown completely off the face of the Earth. Now sciencist believe they have found them and that they were not distroied. By having stories of floods, fire and brimstone, a group of leaders can bring fear into the people and control them. I've never heard any of our stories from our traditions of the Great Spirit destroying his people.

Remember the bible and all the "good books" were written by man. It was their thoughts and stories that went into the books.

I also have never heard of the Creator (Great Spirit) or whatever we wish to call Him, destroying His people, our ndn brothers and sisters. But remember we do have stories of Deer woman, skin walkers, and others who seem to portray the dark side. Remember "the Gand will get you if you don't watch out" when we were children? Scary stories to a child. Are they true or just stories to teach being honorable. Also remember, we do not have an all encompassing book like the bible or koran to follow. Our stories are still passed generation to generation. Some stories have been written down but have never been compiled into one book with some sort of a timeline.

Some are taught to fear the Creator while some are taught that the Creator is a caring and loving being.

It's all in the way one looks at it, and how one believes.