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    First I will not discuss the details of what has happened in this matter. Disciplinary actions on this site are private and I don't share them. Discussions about the action will not be allowed.

    But for an overview the action taken was because of behavior against the policies of this site.

    Here's what most of you that are posting about me don't realilze. I'll let you express any opinion you want. BUT in doing so you can not attack other members by calling them names or other ways of attacking.

    If you disagree with something someone says, great argue the point. That's what these forums are for, discussion. We should all be adult enough to voice our opinions without degrading to childish name calling.

    As for the questions about my background and my integrity, I'll let my actions over the last 10 years on the site speak for themselves. But I do have a few things to say about some of the statements made today.

    So far today I've been called a racist, exploiter, and a power hungry webmaster. Wow, pretty good day huh! :)

    I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. I'm Paul Gowder, part American Indian and mostly white. I wasn't raised on a reservation and didn't know about my heritage until college. I'm an active Boy Scout and an Eagle Scout, and a husband and a father. So that's who I am.

    The site I've built is a great site not because of me but because of the users. I've built the infrastructure to allow for the posting of information. But the content of this site is 90% posted by others not me.

    And a racist, I really don't even know how to comment about that.

    An exploiter? Well if I was becoming a millionaire for this site maybe that statement would have some value. But since this isn't my full time job and the ad money barely pays the costs, I can't see how I'm exploiting anyone but myself!

    Power hungry, yeah I built all of this so I could be THE MAN of an internet site. Come on folks this is just a discussion board. I don't think anyone has "power" on a website.

    Thanks to all of you for your support.
    New to the site--Introduce Yourself

    Find a Pow Wow Near You!

  • #2
    Well said , Paul , and I for one think you are doing a great job ! I know a lot of folks are upset about current happenings. Personally I don't have a clue what's going on , so therefore have no comment on that issue. I have seen the name calling and bickering though and I agree that this is not what this site is about. Information sharing , and discussion of issues , these are the key in seeking out knowledge. Opinions should be thrown out there , and we should be able to discuss the different opinions without resorting to threats and slanderous behavior. C'mon guys , we may not always agree on some subjects , but we should be able to control our emotions. Just my thoughts and opinions....nothing more !
    I will say...Thanks Paul , keep up the good work !
    I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


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    There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

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    • #3
      wow mr.G i have know idia but what happend or what thread this happend in .or who would call you out. you have my utmost respect for why you do and how you suppourt the ppl here at powwows .com

      i hope the person anger and hate will turn and begain to expose the other areas where its miss direct and wrongly hit and misses others in its own missery,one person cant hold or be responcible for another pain,if no wrong intended,
      as the arrows fly we hope to do good it all our intended targets only hate spoilles the view finder, the eye of the archer
      so when the arrows fly and hit but miss target its becouse wrong hate has filled the archer eye.
      Just my two cents of my under standinh of how and why hate flys but most of all wrongly sent,
      blessing on you and your family MR.G and to all at powwows ,com
      Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass..It's about learning to dance in the rain. for me and the wolf

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      • #4
        OH MY GOD! PAUL YOURE A RACIST?!?!?!?!?! Um...... That means I can't hang out with you anymore. j/k



        My thoughts are best summed up by two quotes.

        "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." - Bill Cosby

        "While they're busy running their mouths, get busy running your business!" - Sally F.
        SHAKE IT!!!!

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        • #5
          Hey Paul G.. I read the comments that were written this morning, and yeah, they were pretty harsh. I knew they were going to get deleted. ok

          But my issue is on closing the 'Oklahoma Thread: Goot men and goot looking women' thread. That thread is exactly that, goot men and women from Oklahoma posting. It is one of the friendliest thread on Powwows.com. Many people go there to read what's going on in OK. (Like the cops in Shawnee getting more than what they paid for) And ocassionaly a non-Okie will post there.

          So, will you open this thread back up? Deal with the individuals on an as needed basis, but don't punish the goot people of Oklahoma for the words of a few.

          Plus...Candae Princess is not going to be happy that you closed her thread. I'd rather fight an Oklahoma Bigfoot than face her.

          She's mussy like dat!


          Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


          "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

          Mr. Rossie Freeman

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          • #6
            It's open
            "We see it as a desecration not only of a mountain but of our way of life. This is a genocidal issue to us. If they kill this mountain, they kill our way of life." ~Debra White Plume

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            • #7
              I must'a missed something dude. I haven't got the foggiest idea what the heck happened. I never called Paul G. anything I will say he's not the best looking dude on here though. J/K Paul dude.

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              • #8
                Paul,
                It's sad that some choose to hurl insults at you.....and not even have the courage to do it face to face. They probably hope to get you to stop running this site....
                But I would guess that MANY more are glad for what you have done here...and for free too...anybody can join, anybody can post, and NOBODY is forced to be here, or to read what they do not wish to...
                If they think the site, or you, are so objectionable, why do they continue to view it?
                I for one think you are doing a nice job here....
                Joe G

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Paul G
                  First I will not discuss the details of what has happened in this matter. Disciplinary actions on this site are private and I don't share them. Discussions about the action will not be allowed.

                  But for an overview the action taken was because of behavior against the policies of this site.

                  Here's what most of you that are posting about me don't realilze. I'll let you express any opinion you want. BUT in doing so you can not attack other members by calling them names or other ways of attacking.

                  If you disagree with something someone says, great argue the point. That's what these forums are for, discussion. We should all be adult enough to voice our opinions without degrading to childish name calling.

                  As for the questions about my background and my integrity, I'll let my actions over the last 10 years on the site speak for themselves. But I do have a few things to say about some of the statements made today.

                  So far today I've been called a racist, exploiter, and a power hungry webmaster. Wow, pretty good day huh! :)

                  I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. I'm Paul Gowder, part American Indian and mostly white. I wasn't raised on a reservation and didn't know about my heritage until college. I'm an active Boy Scout and an Eagle Scout, and a husband and a father. So that's who I am.

                  The site I've built is a great site not because of me but because of the users. I've built the infrastructure to allow for the posting of information. But the content of this site is 90% posted by others not me.

                  And a racist, I really don't even know how to comment about that.

                  An exploiter? Well if I was becoming a millionaire for this site maybe that statement would have some value. But since this isn't my full time job and the ad money barely pays the costs, I can't see how I'm exploiting anyone but myself!

                  Power hungry, yeah I built all of this so I could be THE MAN of an internet site. Come on folks this is just a discussion board. I don't think anyone has "power" on a website.

                  Thanks to all of you for your support.
                  I was one that posted in the OKIE Thread these past few days and Although Emotions do run high at times I disagree about deleting entire postings!

                  I agree that personal attacks have no business on a website like this and I have felt the wraith of a few myself!!!
                  But nobody deleted those threads!!!

                  But to edit those that we dont like and remove the others entirely is the vilest form of censorship...
                  What is wrong with deleting the Specific names and any obtrusive language in a post??
                  BUT Keep The POST!!!

                  We would get the Point and it is there for anyone else to Comment on for or against...
                  And Fairly soon the thread will die and we will go onto other things to talk about...

                  This is a Great Website FOR NDN's From all walks of Life to get Together and Chat and even Meet in Person at a Powwow
                  For that reason we continue to come here and chat and exchange ideas
                  The Good with the Bad.
                  One thing that I know, you will have People that do not like each other and they will tear it up a bit and eventually things will die down as they always will.
                  Life goes on and we are still here.

                  Josiah.
                  Last edited by Josiah; 10-08-2006, 04:05 PM.
                  ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏩᎩ - Anigiduwagi
                  Till I Die!

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                  • #10
                    Hi Paul
                    You have a good site for natives and non natives can talk about powwows too.
                    Asema Is Sacred
                    Traditional Use, Not Misuse
                    Wakan Tanka please have compassion on me.
                    OK Niji we are running a train with red over yellow at this powwow.

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                    • #11
                      For someone to keep running a webiste that doesnt profit in this day and age is amazing. There are not THAT many members for Paul to be making a killing here. Look at the membership list. There are roughly 30,000 names. Come on now!!! How many are just jokes? How many are dupes? Is VIAGRA ONLINE SHOP really a member?

                      200 members have between 100-200 posts.
                      200 members have between 200-500
                      200 members have over 500

                      7,125 have less than 100. about 90% of them are less than 10!

                      the remaining 22,275 have NO POSTS!

                      634 new members in the past month!

                      Who REALLY clicks on the banners? That is the only way he would be making a few cents.

                      I have a feeling that if Paul WAS making a load of money, the powwows.com powwow would be a big yearly competition powwow.

                      Paul,
                      Every thing about starting POWWOWCASINO.COM? You are part NDN. Oh thats right! If you were in it for the money, POWWOWCASINO.com would have been up and running years ago!!!

                      Keep up the good work, I sure as heck wouldnt!
                      There are 2 types of people in the world...
                      Really stupid people who think they are smart
                      and
                      Really smart people who think they are smart.

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                      • #12
                        Paul -

                        Miika and I have been involved in running websites, muds, listserves and doing hosting for over 10 years and it is a thankless job. I have a real job too cuz we don't make any money at it either - mostly we just end up with extra webspace to donate to worthy causes.

                        Thank you for providing this space for people and for the promoting of powwows across the country. We appreciate the time and effort you put in to making this a good place to meet. The live powwow coverage this year has been awesome!

                        Don't let the words of a few get to ya. You know who you are and the Creator sees who you are - and those are the only two you really need to answer to.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Singing Otter
                          OH MY GOD! PAUL YOURE A RACIST?!?!?!?!?! Um...... That means I can't hang out with you anymore. j/k



                          My thoughts are best summed up by two quotes.

                          "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." - Bill Cosby

                          "While they're busy running their mouths, get busy running your business!" - Sally F.
                          Great quotes!

                          And I hope we'll still be able to hang out! :)

                          Maybe even go for a drink at the Normandy Lounge again!
                          New to the site--Introduce Yourself

                          Find a Pow Wow Near You!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Josiah
                            I was one that posted in the OKIE Thread these past few days and Although Emotions do run high at times I disagree about deleting entire postings!

                            I agree that personal attacks have no business on a website like this and I have felt the wraith of a few myself!!!
                            But nobody deleted those threads!!!

                            But to edit those that we dont like and remove the others entirely is the vilest form of censorship...
                            What is wrong with deleting the Specific names and any obtrusive language in a post??
                            BUT Keep The POST!!!

                            We would get the Point and it is there for anyone else to Comment on for or against...
                            And Fairly soon the thread will die and we will go onto other things to talk about...

                            This is a Great Website FOR NDN's From all walks of Life to get Together and Chat and even Meet in Person at a Powwow
                            For that reason we continue to come here and chat and exchange ideas
                            The Good with the Bad.
                            One thing that I know, you will have People that do not like each other and they will tear it up a bit and eventually things will die down as they always will.
                            Life goes on and we are still here.

                            Josiah.

                            You're right and we try to edit as much as possible. I didn't see the ones in the thread you are talking about. But the ones I did see couldn't be edited!
                            New to the site--Introduce Yourself

                            Find a Pow Wow Near You!

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                            • #15
                              Thanks everyone for the support!

                              This site is my passion, I love it! Because of you all. I'm constantly thinking of ways to make it better, things to add, etc. And I do hope one day that it will be my full time job. That's my goal, probably more of a dream though.

                              I have a bad habit of taking any $ from the site and putting it back into the site for other things. But hey the last two years the site has made enough to pay the expenses!

                              Anyways, I appreciate the posts. Like I said I love this site. I love adding a new feature and seeing dozens of people using it!

                              Thanks!
                              New to the site--Introduce Yourself

                              Find a Pow Wow Near You!

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