church or powwows

[LISA IRONMAKER]

powwows...I'm NOT a Christian, never have have been nor DO I want to be one.... And they call us heathens....no respect for other peoples beliefs...let me burn in the white mans hell....

I imagine Chief Joseph's Father is there cause he tore up the Bible cause of white folks screwing my tribe over...I'll be with him soon enough.

HEY, YOU TELL EM NDNSOLDIERBOY, LOL.............I LIKE UR QUOTE.........HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.........

[Ndnsoldierboy]

powwows...I'm NOT a Christian, never have have been nor DO I want to be one.... And they call us heathens....no respect for other peoples beliefs...let me burn in the white mans hell....

I imagine Chief Joseph's Father is there cause he tore up the Bible cause of white folks screwing my tribe over...I'll be with him soon enough.

[Mato Winyan]

Mixing medicine is when you're politically correct with your belief to appease others, some preachers call it synergy. Like in Brazil and parts of Lousiana, when I was Catholic, we used to say Catholic by day and voodoo by night in some towns

Thanks for explaining.

So would being a christian and sundancing...... attending NAC meetings ..... and doing sweats be considered "mixing medicines"?

[little bird]

i got a question....

what's the main reason for going to "CHURCH"?

what's the main reason for going to a POWWOW?


i've prayed at both but i didn't go to a powwow cause i wanted to pray...but i've been to church...cause i wanted to pray! anyway...

theres the difference in my heart...

The main reason to go to either one, to me, is one in the same: To gather with other's that believe the same way you do and worship, fellowship, and learn.

[veritasxl]

Mixing medicine is when you're politically correct with your belief to appease others, some preachers call it synergy. Like in Brazil and parts of Lousiana, when I was Catholic, we used to say Catholic by day and voodoo by night in some towns

[Lakota Wiyan]

I've been to church's for wakes or funerals where the ministers have no problem with traditional teachers coming in and giving traditional prayers. I've never seen anyone turned away from a church because of their traditional spirituality. All the way around, I've seen alot of respect, but I also see people who are narrow minded put down others, on both sides, and what usually results is a group of people who are confused and lost, and our people dont need any of that. We have big hearts and broader minds that allow for many different ways of thinking.

I just wanted to comment on younger people associating Spirituality with powwows. I think there is a danger in that because that could prevent an actual bond with their true spirituality. They might think that the spiritual aspects present at powwows are replacements for the true cermonies that could help them become whole and complete in spiritual living. It's also concerning that people as young as 15 are declaring themselves Set as far as their spirituality, because NONE of us can ever learn and grow enough, especially in traditional learnings. The Lakota people call it Ikceya Wicasa, which means Common Man....humble and unknowing of all things. THAT is what we should be striving for. To be humble and acknowledge that there are things, and always will be things, that we dont know. Even our Elders and our Teachers don't know it all. Young people need to more open to learning and growing....otherwise they stay where they are...hmmm.....that might answer alot of questions about why so many of our people have a hard time "growing up". Used to be only wasicu people griped about their young people thinking they knew it all......

[**First Lady**]

i got a question....

what's the main reason for going to "CHURCH"?

what's the main reason for going to a POWWOW?


i've prayed at both but i didn't go to a powwow cause i wanted to pray...but i've been to church...cause i wanted to pray! anyway...

theres the difference in my heart...

[LISA IRONMAKER]

Takes all leads sounds like one of them european oppressors that sailed on over to the americas in search of oppurtunity.....Scary

HAHAHAHA.........THAT'S A GOOT ONE!

[Mato Winyan]

Would you mind defining "mixing medicine"? Thanks. (just tryin to understand your terminology)

[veritasxl]

Church or Powwow

My family does both. I get asked this question alot because I am a licensed minister and have taught in Bible Schools and overseas when I'm not on my secular job.

For me there's no conflict as long as I don't mix medicine. The Lord doesn't require other ethnicities to stop being who they are when they come to Him so why should we? So whatever you believe in just stay true to it. Many churches now have mid-week services or early morning Sunday services that we can take advantage of and then go on and enjoy PW.

A friend who is also in ministry has criticized me for continuing to PW, but the Bible says, 'judge not lest you be judged'. because more than once I've been approached by people at PW who have asked for prayer or asked about a Scripture that addressed what they were going through.

So I was meeting a need that couldn't be met if I limited my walk to inside the church building. Honestly even when I don't dance there is just a peace that comes when you sit down and listen to a good drum.

Amen

[Mato Winyan]

I agree with the powwows and church being two different things. Josiah said what I have always told people...... powwows are social gatherings. My people (cherokee) weren't originally powwow people so I don't have old teachings on that...... but my Lakota brother has explained that in the old days that the gathering together in the spring and summer months was a good time. Social mainly but also a time for ceremonies. The two were totally separate.

The way I look at it...... Spirituality is not something to be taken off and put on. You should be your spiritual self at all times. If you are truly comfortable you can do this anywhere. I also happen to be a follower of Christ. If you notice I say it that way because I myself have a hard time with quote/unquote "Christians". Some of the people that have hurt me most in my life has been "Christians" claiming to be a follower of Christ. But I try not to judge the church or other christians based on what these few have done.

I also have to say too it was not until I left the organized "church" that I found Christ. My mom had me in church nine months before I was born. (methodist) and when I got older I would even go to mass with my dad.

What I have found in my life .......... I can pray anywhere.......... outside......... car........ bathroom or sitting in a sweatlodge or church pew. I know who I am talking to and who watches over me. I will say this............. I've invited organized church people to a sweat before and they couldn't do it. It went against what they believe it to be. That's fine. I think nothing less of them. But dag gonne it........ don't try to "save" me from my heathen ways.

I have always like the teaching of the medicine wheel. I have found you have people that say you start in the center and you go out on each path (spoke) and jouney around it and always returning to the center. I have also had people say the creator is at the center and as we travel around each path leads back to him. For me personally ......... I now find....... I need to be in the center WITH the creator before journeying out and I always have to return to HIM for that strength and guidance I need to travel again.

Guess that's all I got to say about this....... anyone knowing me I've already said more than I ever have on it.

One final thing I would say is try to find the similarities instead of the differences.

[Singing Otter]

**sits down with some popcorn..........anybody???**

I still say spirituality lies within the heart. Whether its in a church, teepee, lodge, or a rock, it don't matter. People can preach all the jabba babba they want..... No one can change what I feel in my heart.....

**ding** round 3!!! .............

I agree and want some!!! I brought candy and drinks.

[Big Native]

For me.
POWWOWS 4 LIFE . I'M YOUNG AND PROUD.
THE CREATOR DIDN'T GIVE US A CHURCH, HE GIVE US EVERYTHING. I'M 15 AND I KNOW WHATS COMING AHEAD OF ME. I'M PROUD OF MY CULTURE, MY IDENITY, MY LANGUAGE. AND MY HERITAGE. OH YEAH, I'M NAKOTA CREE AND DAM OF IT. PROUD
oh yeah, no offence

PEACE

[ndldy68]

I agree!
I enjoy both, I can say that what I have read here, is that I have a clear understanding of who I am,who my grandparents, parents and who my children will be. They will be always be native. They taught me the ways of going to church and they they have taught me the ways of the big drum. It is that you can have both in your life. I attend church, not regularly, but I attend and I take my children with me. So that they will know our traditional ways. Which is both. What my father and mother had taught me, is what I will be teaching my children.

Well, that is my 2 cents worth.

[wyo_rose]

Your mom does rock!!

And I like FF's thing about the Medicine Wheel spokes.

These religion threads here HAVE made me rethink and clarify my views.