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    So i have a friend who holds some very non-traditionalist views, but this one surprises me. My friend posted this article he got from somewhere on myspace..the article basically says thanksgiving is the same as columbus day. Personally..i think that people are being very narrow-minded about what giving thanks is about and are only focusing on the "first thanksgiving"..but im interested to hear what all of you think.

    heres the article:

    Celebrating Genocide
    Dan Brook

    En Espanol: Celebrando el Genocidio
    on ZNet

    Many people annually get as stuffed as their turkeys in celebration of the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanksgiving is a quintessentially American holiday, so much so that it is not just a holiday, but really is (as the etymology implies) one of our Holy Days, almost universally celebrated by Americans. In its sacredness, families get together to (unintentionally?) celebrate one genocide (against Native Americans) by committing another (against turkeys). Can we celebrate in good faith and conscience?

    On Thanksgiving Day, we give thanks. We give thanks for being the invader, the exploiter, the dominator, the greedy, the gluttonous, the colonizer, the thief, indeed the genocidaire, rather than on the other side of imperialism's zero-sum murderous game. As Mark Twain points out in his War Prayer, wishing and being thankful for one's own success and victory is, at the very same time, wishing and being thankful for another's defeat and destruction. Do we want to make these kinds of wishes and give these kinds of thanks?

    The Lebanese poet Kahlil Gibran declared that "it is the honor of the murdered that they are not the murderers". Perhaps, but it is a very difficult honor to uphold. Native Americans, at least those who have survived the over 500 year genocidal project, are the poorest ethnic group in the richest country of the world. Each year, a group of Native Americans gather at Plymouth Rock on Thanksgiving Day to mourn and fast in honor of their people and in memory of what is lost. What do we want to be honored for? What honors are Americans thankful for?

    It was once earnestly asked by Native Americans, "Why do you take by force what you can have by love?" Christopher Columbus reports in his personal diary that when he arrived in the Americas he was amazed. The Arawaks, with curiosity and joy, came to greet the people coming off the ships from Europe. The Arawaks (whom Columbus mistakenly thought were Indians) were a peaceful people, by all accounts, willing to share anything they had, offering both emotional kindness and their physical objects. Columbus describes how remarkable these people were. So innocent of weapons and violence, Arawak people would initially reach out their hands to feel the strange, shiny objects called swords. The Arawaks would only "work" for a few hours a day, "spending" the rest of their time relaxing, socializing, and creating their culture in the ways that people most enjoy. Columbus also tells of how the Arawaks had no "shame", being able to walk around naked or make love whenever they pleased. With the tiny amount of gold on their island, they fashioned jewelry to adorn themselves. As with many other pre-contact indigenous groups, the Arawaks essentially lived in Utopia. Can Americans be thankful for living in a utopian society? Are we thankful for having destroyed one? Should we be grateful for having so many deadly weapons? For being so greedy for gold, both actual and metaphorical?

    As Kevin Danaher of Global Exchange is fond of pointing out, Columbus could have done one of a few different things after encountering the Arawaks of whom he was so impressed: (1) Columbus could have quit his travels and lived the rest of his days amongst this remarkable people. In fact, millions of people today spend thousands of dollars and their precious couple of weeks of vacation trying to experience modern conditions resembling these ancient ones. (2) Columbus could also have continued on his journeys, exploring other islands, encountering new peoples, and searching for India and elsewhere with which to trade. While doing so, he could have expanded and developed his writings, perhaps doing valuable ethnographic and comparative sociological research. (3) Another possibility is that Columbus could have rushed back to Europe, declaring the wonders of Arawak society and urging that the best minds of Europe go to visit and study the Arawaks. As a result of doing so, Europeans could have incorporated aspects of Arawak society into their own, if not emulating it altogether. Are we proud of and thankful for our hubris and ethnocentrism?

    Of course, Columbus did none of these. Apparently, there was a fourth possibility. With grave implications, Columbus wrote in his diary that with fifty men he could enslave the entire population and capture all their gold. This was no empty boast. The "savage" Arawaks were enslaved, many were tortured, their labor exploited, and their wealth stolen and shipped off to Europe. During this process of imperialist superexploitation, men had their hands chopped off, women had their breasts sliced and their pregnant bellies cut open, babies were thrown into the air, sometimes crashing to the ground and other times being impaled on those strange, shiny swords, presumably all in the name of Christianity, Civilization, and, eventually, Capitalism. The Arawaks were literally exploited to death and they are now extinct, all of them having been killed off through virulent brutality, overwork, and disease. Are Americans thankful they weren't Arawaks? Are we thankful for not being the dehumanized "Other"?

    The Pilgrims later came to America to escape religious persecution from the British, apparently in order to commit ethnic and religious persecution against the Native Americans and, later on, others. And this they did, and we in fact continue to do, effectively and mercilessly. At the time of the first Thanksgiving in 1621, it was also the dawn of another type of genocide. 1619 marks the first year that human beings were brutally "imported" from Africa to become slaves in America, if they happened to survive the cruel capture and horrific Atlantic crossing. So while Africans were being heartlessly torn away from their homes and families, viciously enslaved and dehumanized, tortured and killed, Native Americans were being attacked and annihilated. By the time that President Lincoln re-invented and instituted the Thanksgiving Day tradition in the early 1860s, the US was fighting its civil war. The US Civil War may have been fought over slavery (and labor more generally), though it was certainly not fought for the slaves (or for laborers). Sadly, there is much, much more to the tragic history of genocide and US complicity. Is it for this legacy that Americans give thanks? Are Americans thankful for the results of racism and classism?

    In Europe, during the 1930s and 1940s, various demographic groups were being systematically targeted by the Nazis, including leftists and unionists, people with physical and mental disabilities, Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses, gays and lesbians, the Roma (so-called Gypsies) and the small number of Blacks, as well as other misfortunate minorities. Although we now know that the US had accurate aerial photographs of the rail lines leading to and from the death camps since 1941, among other pertinent information obtained even earlier, the US did not enter the war against fascist Germany until almost 1942, only after the US was physically attacked by Japan. Even then, however, the US neither bombed the rail lines or the death camps themselves, nor allowed in large numbers of refugees from fascism. Indeed, just like Haitians in the 1990s and Afghans in 2001, Jews in the 1940s were sometimes turned back to their respective Hell. Millions and millions of people died unnecessarily. Adding insult to injury, the US government even paid war reparations to US corporations, including General Motors, which were supplying the Nazi military with much-needed machinery and vehicles, for the damage done to their German factories due to the Allied bombing campaign. (The US government went further by guaranteeing safe passage for many Nazi officers and even employing a number of them, some of whom helped advance biological and chemical weaponry as well as death penalty technology in the US. Other Nazi officers were supported, especially in Europe and Latin America, as an oppositional force against real or suspected communism.) Likewise, the US was seemingly uninterested in Japan's genocide against the Chinese in Nanking, and then did (and does) little to stop China's genocide of the Tibetans since the 1950s. The US has also never been interested in the genocide against the Kurds or Armenians. The US was interested, however, in setting up concentration camps in 1942 for Japanese-Americans and, to a much lesser extent, Germans and Italians. Are Americans thankful for our hypocrisy and selective democracy?

    In 1965, the US supported and facilitated genocide in Indonesia. Under the US-supported military dictatorship, half a million to a million communist-sympathizing peasants were killed in Indonesia. Their lives are considered so worthless that a more accurate number of those killed is nearly impossible. (A more recent example of this mentality is from the Gulf War, during which US bulldozing tanks buried an unknown number of slaughtered Iraqis in the desert. When asked how many were killed and buried in these mass unmarked graves, General Colin Powell coldly replied that he wasn't interested and didn't care. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright followed up that mentality by stating on TV that the hundreds of thousands of additional kids who have died since the war, due to sanctions, are a worthwhile price to pay. For whom?) The US supplied some 90% of the weapons and training to the Indonesian military, in addition to favorable trade and investment, but also provided logistics and specific names of Indonesian activists to be targeted for death. The Indonesian military gladly obliged, taking the US hit list and then accomplishing their task as best as possible. Since 1975, similarly, the US has sponsored and abetted genocide in Indonesian-occupied East Timor, culminating in the latest round of "newsworthy" massacres at the end of 1999. Nearly the same time that the modern Indonesian/East Timorese tragedy began, the US condoned genocide in Cambodia, after committing acts of genocide throughout South East Asia in the 1960s and 1970s. In the 1980s, the US supported vicious and murderous wars in Central America, central Asia, and southern Africa, in which hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, were killed, with many more disabled, displaced, and disappeared. The US also sat idly by during the genocide in Rwanda in the 1990s, while almost totally ignoring slavery and genocide in Sudan throughout that entire decade. Furthermore, the US persists in continuously building, vigorously marketing, and violently employing chemical, biological, nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction. Are Americans proud of US foreign policy? Of supporting murderous dictators and regimes? Of maintaining deadly double standards?

    At the same time that the US has, by far, the most expensive and powerful military on Earth, it also has a high poverty rate, the largest prison population, a relatively high infant mortality rate, tremendous overconsumption and waste, a stingy and demeaning welfare program, an active capital punishment program, and almost as many privately owned guns as people. Are Americans proud of US domestic policy? Of supporting murderous policies and programs? Of maintaining deadly discriminatory standards?

    There are many reasons to celebrate and Americans have a lot to be thankful for. Genocide should not be one of those things. What are we doing on Thanksgiving Day? We would be appropriately appalled if Germany or Austria were celebrating a Holocaust Memorial Day, where Germans and Austrians got together with their families for dinner on their official day off, joyously remembering the things that are important to them, just as American families get together for Thanksgiving Day and think of things to be thankful for. (Similar scenarios, just as ugly, could be constructed for white supremacists, rapists, and murderers.) Some activities and events are inappropriate just because of the context in which they occur and the history of suffering they represent. Thanksgiving Day is clearly part of that history. Are Americans thankful for forgetting their own history, for having collective cultural and political amnesia?

    We do not have to feel guilty, but we do need to feel something. At the very least, we need to reflect on how and what we feel. We should also review our history and what it means to us and others, while we must rethink our adopted traditions, including our Thanksgiving High Holy Day. My personal (and therefore political!) resolution for the new year is to stop celebrating genocide. American Thanksgiving may be sacred to some, but it's utterly profane to me.
    "So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

    When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home."

    -Tecumseh

  • #2
    MMMM-MMMMMM...can't wait for that turkey tomorrow........
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    ...And shephards we shall be. For thee my lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from thy hand. That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. So we shall flow a river forth to thee. And teeming with souls shall it ever be. E Nomini Patri, E Fili, E Spiritu Sancti.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 50cal View Post
      MMMM-MMMMMM...can't wait for that turkey tomorrow........

      Got to agree with that. I'll worry about the weight gain later.LOL

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      • #4
        Happy Turkey Day

        I celebrate the Turkey who willing gives up there lives so we may eat a good meal!!!
        I love turkey and eat it most of the year round and crave it so much that occasionally I will buy one just to roast it!
        Yes this means I am a carnivore!!!

        Occasionally I see people post that we should not be eating other animals. Like we are some kind of cruel creature that eats these innocent creature that is merely going about its daily life, until we swoop in and snuff out there life.
        Once again we humans try force our morals and views on others and are shocked and amazed when people dont pay attention to them.
        We call this freedom to choose and not have someone else choose for us!!!
        Dont push your morals on me buddy you may not like My morals when I push them on you for its a TWO WAY Street
        Eh???

        LOL

        Just do what comes natural is all I say...

        How you choose to celebrate or not to celebrate is what makes living in this country good.
        Have a good Meal with Family and Friends is what I say...
        ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏩᎩ - Anigiduwagi
        Till I Die!

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        • #5
          Ummm, Arawaks are still around. Innocent of weapons and violence? You've got to be kidding me. I'm Kalinago, and we're related to Arawaks and Tainos and yes we're all alive and kicking. I know what the author is trying to say but his description of us really rubs us the wrong way. We took a lot of crap from Columbus and WE'RE STILL HERE!
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          • #6
            I just got done eating dinner not too long ago, and I am looking forward to the turkey sandwiches that will follow for this next week. P:

            Seriously. If these people really cared about helping the Native Americans, they would actually do something to change the current state of affairs rather than refusing to eat good food and spend time with the family. Empty gestures don't get jack **** done.
            ~Like a true ninja, you'll never see me working~

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NightshadeTea View Post
              I just got done eating dinner not too long ago, and I am looking forward to the turkey sandwiches that will follow for this next week. P:

              Seriously. If these people really cared about helping the Native Americans, they would actually do something to change the current state of affairs rather than refusing to eat good food and spend time with the family. Empty gestures don't get jack **** done.
              Amen to that!!!!
              "So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

              When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home."

              -Tecumseh

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              • #8
                Basically.....

                Thanksgiving takes place each n everyday....simple....Now as far as the holiday...I'll tell ya...I sure do appreciate being with my family.....Taking some time to sit back and take it all in....Let people believe what they want as long as I know the difference....Remember this one...."Smack a Pilgrim"
                "She also has a very soft skin. The only trouble with snake women is they copulate with horses, which makes them strange to me. She say's she doesn't. That's why I call her "Doesn't Like Horses". But, of course, she's lying."

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                • #9
                  In Canada, most people take this day to give thanks. They don't pay much attention to pilgrims. We don't even do this in November. Canadian Thanksgiving is in October, after the harvest. We don't wait til the day before Black Friday - the real American holiday. Ayyee.

                  All you folks in the U.S. of Ayyee should concentrate more on changing the focus on pilgrims and teach this real thanksgiving message to the masses. Teach them the importance of giving thanks rather than celebrating Mayflower immigrants.

                  That October turkey tastes better because they are still tender and young - not old and tough. Ayyee.
                  Last edited by Kiwehnzii; 11-24-2007, 01:52 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kiwehnzii View Post
                    All you folks in the U.S. of Ayyee should concentrate more on changing the focus on pilgrims and teach this real thanksgiving message to the masses. Teach them the importance of giving thanks rather than celebrating Mayflower immigrants.

                    That October tastes better because they are still tender and young - not old and tough. Ayyee.
                    I was actually surprised to hear that people still do the b.s. "hurrhurr, we remember teh pilgrims duh". I thought the entire connotation of Thanksgiving has changed to "be thankful for what you got". Hell, that's what I've been doing for as long as I can remember.
                    Do I feel for the Natives? Hell yes I do. Did I stuff myself silly? Hell yes I did.

                    However, now that I think about it, the type of people who would be celebrating the pilgrims are most likely the people raising their hackles at immigrants, especially of the illegal variety. OHO, DID I JUST SAY THAT I THINK I DID HURRHURR.
                    ~Like a true ninja, you'll never see me working~

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                    • #11
                      I always considered Thanksgiving the same as all the people here seem to: Be thankful for what you have and the here and now. I am thankful everyday for the gifts in my life, but one day a year to feast and not worry about anything else and spend time with your family and loved ones, now that's something to really be thankful for. I agree with the above statement "Smack a pilgrim".LMAO

                      This year we had something really good to be thankful for. The oven caught fire, twice, and no one got hurt and we didn't have to call the fire dept. Now that was a very nice day.

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                      • #12
                        Thanksgiving is about who can outdo who in the kitchen and I am still the reigning champion (3x), so I was thankful for that....*L*
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                        ...And shephards we shall be. For thee my lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from thy hand. That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. So we shall flow a river forth to thee. And teeming with souls shall it ever be. E Nomini Patri, E Fili, E Spiritu Sancti.

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                        • #13
                          All I know that I get two paid days off from work so I can be at home to have my granddaughters come and stay with me for four days! It is also time to light up the fire place and feel the heat from the fire. Until my son comes home, I don't care much about Black Friday which starts off another holiday season.

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