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  • Do you celebrate the 4th of July?

    I'm just asking......
    Every year I see many Ndns and Blacks spending good money on '4th of july outfits' and buying fireworks. So as I grow older I question why we do some of the things we do. On the 4th of July 1776 neither of us were subjects of the Crown on England, so how were we made Independent? Blacks were consider only 2/5 human at that time, we (Ndns) didn't become citizens of this country until 1924, though my tribe (Chahta) had limited citizenship in 1831 as a result of the broken Dancing Rabbit Creek treaty.
    It usually means holiday pay, but other than that, what is being celebrated????? Just asking
    Civilzation has been thrust upon me..and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity Chief Luther Standing Bear

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    Yeah, We celebrate the 4th. of July. This is our country, in the past, in the present and it will contuine to be ours in the future. We might be not in charge of it like some of us would like. But it is OUR Country.
    Face it, the United States of America gives our citizens more freedom and more blessings than any other country on earth. We has as Native Americans/American Indians have won more medals than any other racial group in this county. No matter who you are, where you live, how much money you have, or what sex you are in this country you are born with the chance to be whatever you wish to be.
    When I look at other countries and I see how they treat their citizens who speak out againist something that they beliive or don't belive in, when they treat their women as if they are less than animals or slaves, yeah, I'm PROUD TO BE AMERICAN. We don't shot the people who protest the war, we don't attach bombs to our women and children and send them to kill people. We don't pull families out of their homes and kill them in front of their neighbors as a lesson.
    Our miltary is all VOLUNTEER, OUR children are not trained since childhood to be sucide bombers because someone has a different relgion. So yeah, I celebrate the 4th of July and I honor ALL Veterans no matter what their race or war, because without them we wouldn't have ALL the BLESSINGS that we have and ingnore on a daily basis.
    Courage is just fear that has said it's prayers.

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    • #3
      Slow your roll........I asked who celebrates.... the 4th of July,...... THE INDEPENDANCE OF THE DESCENDANTS OF THE PILGRIMS FROM THE ENGLISH CROWN........ that's all.......THAT'S WHAT THE HOLIDAY IS REALLY ABOUT, INDEPENDANCE FROM EUROPE.

      I wasn't questioning anyone's partriotism, how they feel about the military or opportunities in this country. The question was to see who celebrates it and why, call it a Jay Leno man on the street question.......
      So many support the financial aspects of a holiday without even knowing what they are taking part in. For instance most fire works are made in China or Japan, sent up from Mexico and sold in less than affluent neighborhoods (they go to the park and watch professional fireworks) and are purchased by people who would do well to save the money, especially now..... I observed this the other day as I saw a line at Walmart to buy fireworks along with giant can's of beer displays.....hmmmmm.. Every one was making money except those that were buying all the crap. Hence, I wondered what are they celebarting and why. The cops are usually posed to arrest those who celebrate too much and drive (remember the huge beer cans?) and the fire department is on alert for the fires the fireworks will start.... party on......
      Civilzation has been thrust upon me..and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity Chief Luther Standing Bear

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      • #4
        I am unashamedly an American born with U.S. citizenship. No remembrance of what this country did to my NDN ancestors will ever change that. Many nations are made up of peoples some of whose ancestors once faced those countries' as enemies and who themselves continue to fight for human rights and equality, but they are still shareholders in those countries today. As a shareholder in the United States I would rather work for change from within than seek alliances to make war from without. And so America's holidays can be my own holidays if I choose so. I was not alive at the time my people were separate from the U.S. and I would venture to guess that neither were most people here. So I guess the short answer is, I celebrate the 4th of July because it is the commemoration of my country's independence, and it also a statement to that U.S. as a "you did, we can too" thorn in the side of our politicians as we fight for compliance with and enforcement of treaty rights, self-determination, and full and genuine government-to-government recognition in America's day to day business with our tribal leaders. That is our independence. Besides that, fireworks sales are a major source of income for many needy NDN people. Here in Washington, state and local laws ban "the good stuff" like M-80's and almost any sky rocket or mortar that has any pizazz at all, making them available only from firework stands on Indian land where we can have laws that work for us. Americans here flock to us to get the goods and some of the native families make a big chunk of their annual nest egg from them. It's hard to tell people they need to get the hell off our land when we are trying to be salesmen, enit. We lead by example, by having tribal governments that bestow higher freedoms upon their constituents than most other American local governments. The same goes for our smoke shops, liquor stores, casinos and any other industry that can benefit from local laws by local leaders that work for the people rather than laws foisted by far away bureaucrats. And wasn't that what the American Revolution was about in the first place?
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        • #5
          Thanks Wakalapi for a well thoiught answer as opposed to a soapbox response.

          Here in Burque it's not Ndns who are the vendors but wasicus and illegals. With 90+ temp. the fire works stay lit when they fall from the sky. I'm still picking up firework remnants from off my property 2 of which (roman candles landed on my roof!), and they have the 'good' stuff straight from Mexico. Of course it's illegal but it's done anyway. Since it's legal to carry weapons, concealed or otherwise, there are also guns going off all night. So I dread this holiday, dogs bark and scream all night from the pain to their ears, and the same people that were doing the fireworks will be back up at Walmart asking for a handout.
          Civilzation has been thrust upon me..and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity Chief Luther Standing Bear

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          • #6
            I do a weird combination of the celebration. Since my children's father is English, I used to chase him around saying "We won! We won! Our country beat your country!" Once the kids were born, I had to quit doing that. Bad example and all that.
            Now that the kids are older (and their father is gone), I am a big believer in explaining why we celebrate certain holidays. So, for this July 4, I had the kids listen to a reading of the Declaration of Independence on the NPR. We then covered the highlights, including the passage,
            "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."
            The Declaration of Independence
            We talked about how that the declaration was more about a young government that felt ready to go out on it's own, but that it really wasn't about true freedom for all, as all did not have equal rights and privilege's. I know my kids don't get it all, but hopefully they will be able to grow up and realize what hard work all the citizens of this nation have gone through to make positive changes happen that give us the freedoms we have today. The Declaration was just the first step.
            After that, we celebrated by hanging out in the house and watching "A Capital 4th" on PBS, as we had sever thunderstorms all day.
            Don't compromise yourself. It's all you've got.

            Janis Joplin

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            • #7
              We go to Southwest Oklahoma and Gourd Dance the 2nd 3rd and 4th of July in a place south of Carnegie.
              I can think of no other place to be during that time
              ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏩᎩ - Anigiduwagi
              Till I Die!

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              • #8
                This kind of question can be brought up for any holiday for that matter. I mean....in truth, they're not a Native holiday. But if a native goes into the military and fights for his or her country, then it IS their holiday. The 4th of July doesn't alone symbolize 1776. It to me is considered a holiday like Veteren's Day, Flag Day, etc. It's celebrating the freedom we as a nation has now and has to fight to have. I hate thinking about fighting overseas and how we've killed so many innocent people over in Iraq and Afganistan but in truth...if the damn suicide bombers and terror groups DIDN'T bring it around their own, there wouldn't be those losses. But that's beside the point. I don't really celebrate the 4th holiday b/c I don't like fireworks...well I do but I just like to watch them. *L* But to me like most holidays, I think it's more for kids to enjoy and it's a time for family to get together, for no other reason than just to see one another and visit. I'm still not happy with the Gov't and how it treats our people and it REALLY pisses me off that we're still not treated the way we should be since this is OUR country...we can't go anywhere else like these other nationalities....but our kids will find that out when they are older. So for right now....let them enjoy fireworks without the drama, Thanksgiving food without the anger, Christmas with Santa Claus and everything. There's plenty of time for them later on to find out the truth and be angry. *L*



                Mussy by birth.....Native by the Grace of God.......


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                • #9
                  I celebrate by not going to work and getting paid anyways. ;)
                  Then we usually go to a pow-wow or watch someone related to us try to blow themselves up with fireworks.
                  The only time its too late to start dancing is when you're dead.

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                  • #10
                    if we're not at a pow wow, we'll just stay and have a bbq with my family. It's tradition. *LOL*
                    Bead All You Can Bead

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                    • #11
                      When we lived in Cali, we'd always go to the Pechanga Powwow, professional fireworks, great, really great feed for all the dancers and their families. Of course the payout for the dancers is Casino level. Some of the best drums, No. and So.

                      Man I miss those Cali Powwows and all the different families we hungout with, Green River my favorite drum, the teens we watched grow up, the elders older than me tell their stories.

                      If I worked of course it was mega holla dollars. But usually we went to the powwow.
                      Civilzation has been thrust upon me..and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity Chief Luther Standing Bear

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                      • #12
                        I usually just go to a family bar-b-que but this year I decided to drive up to Nc for Cherokee Powwow and see some family I havent seen in a long while.
                        I celebrate July 4th because well any excuse to blow off some fire works is usually good enough for me lol but seriously its because Im entirely greatful to be in a free country where I dont have to worry bout some dictator deciding my life for me. And my dads Scottish so a holiday celebrating freedom from England is like the greatest thing since sliced bread to him and that side of the family lol

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