John McCains running mate >

[Fat Albert]

FYI, I posted an article in another thread about McCain's health care plan and it's impact. If you have insurance sponsored by an employer I would suggest you read the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/us/politics/07health.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink<o :p></o:p>
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Now before we start calling each other names, pointing out what color the candidates are (as if that matters), or just saying "Nya nya this is not intelligent" let me just say that I hope you at least read the information and then proceed with the usual business. This vote will impact every one and health care is but one large part of that impact.

If you are interested, the full article is in the Native Life/ Native Issues/ VP Debate - Who Won? thread
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[PA-Saponi]

It's only because of people who resort to name-calling, rather than objective fact-checking that someone like Obama even has a snowball's chance of being President.

The housing debacle was not caused by Bush, Cheney or the Republicans. According to a recent Newsweek article (and Newsweek does seem to have a pro-Democractic slant) the blame lies as follows:

The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap. The dot-com boom/bust period included the years of 1995 to 2000, years in which Mr. Clinton was in office.

"Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses. Keep in mind this is a Democratic majority congress.

Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families. This was at the urging of such notables as Jesse Jackson and supported by Barney Frank, head of the House Banking Services Committee.

Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

So, if you're going to point fingers and place blame, then focus it in the right direction.

Notice I was able to do so without using elementary school name-calling!

You forgot to mention the senseless war Bush started in Iraq which is costing Americans not just oodles and oodles of $'s everyday, but also precious lives. Bush wins the "Worst President Ever Contest" hands down. He would hold that title for a while or maybe even eternity unless of course his buddy "dinosaur McCain" and "airhead Palin" wins the White House.

[CandaePrincess]

So, if you're going to point fingers and place blame, then focus it in the right direction.

Notice I was able to do so without using elementary school name-calling!

yeah....considering the article blames BOTH parties, I fail to see how Bush, Cheney, etc are not to blame?? Can you explain that to me? It's not hard to figure out who's to blame for the Bailout. The big question is how to fix it.

And BTW the smiley face with a tongue sticking out and the comment you made in the 49 thread shows the epitome of your maturity level.


on another note: thanks to the PMs and good reps from those who like my words. I appreciate the thought. I always enjoy a good debate, as long as there is a good opponent!

[NorthofAda]

So true CandaePrincess. A lot of people seem to forget that the republican congress and Bush with all his intelligence, or lack thereof, are the ones who really got us into all this mess we're in right now. Bush inherited a country to run which had trillions of dollars in surplus (made available by Clinton - a democrat) and squandered it all away to where we are now trillions of dollars in debt. McCain is nothing more than a carbon copy of Bush, only worse more than likely. Haven't we had enough of stubborness and stupidity in the White House over the past 8 years? If the world is to become a better place then you wouldn't want to waste your vote on dinosaur McCain and airhead Palin.

It's only because of people who resort to name-calling, rather than objective fact-checking that someone like Obama even has a snowball's chance of being President.

The housing debacle was not caused by Bush, Cheney or the Republicans. According to a recent Newsweek article (and Newsweek does seem to have a pro-Democractic slant) the blame lies as follows:

The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap. The dot-com boom/bust period included the years of 1995 to 2000, years in which Mr. Clinton was in office.

Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses. Keep in mind this is a Democratic majority congress.

Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families. This was at the urging of such notables as Jesse Jackson and supported by Barney Frank, head of the House Banking Services Committee.

Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

So, if you're going to point fingers and place blame, then focus it in the right direction.

Notice I was able to do so without using elementary school name-calling!

[PA-Saponi]

yeah..but Congress just changed hands in 2007, so they're still trying to recover from 6 years of madness. *L* But who really ever looks at Congress?? No one. B/C it's the Pres. that is in charge. If he works well with both sides, it helps. No Child Left Behind....more like "let's see who can keep up". Bush was all supportive of the Act that was introduced by Kennedy. He was all for it, and then when it was implemented...he pulled the funding on it. WTF?? That's why it's not working. And it's not the Dems in Congress or the Repubs in Congress hurt by that. It's the KIDS who suffer b/c of it; and that's sad.

So true CandaePrincess. A lot of people seem to forget that the republican congress and Bush with all his intelligence, or lack thereof, are the ones who really got us into all this mess we're in right now. Bush inherited a country to run which had trillions of dollars in surplus (made available by Clinton - a democrat) and squandered it all away to where we are now trillions of dollars in debt. McCain is nothing more than a carbon copy of Bush, only worse more than likely. Haven't we had enough of stubborness and stupidity in the White House over the past 8 years? If the world is to become a better place then you wouldn't want to waste your vote on dinosaur McCain and airhead Palin.

[NorthofAda]

I'm waiting for the Obama health records...

This is per CNN, who seems to have a pro-Obama slant.

McCain has made his medical records available to the press for their review since SO MUCH has been made about his age and potential health risk.

Obama has released only 1 PAGE - a letter from a "doctor" stating that he was in excellent health. His campaign refuses to release anything else on his health status. He was a heavy smoker until last year and has had recent relapses. Smoking reduces life expectancy significantly and raises the risk of heart-related illness by over 50%. If he's so healthy, why not come clean? Or is there something he's hiding?

Better Palin sex tapes then Biden's - now THAT would be scary?

[50cal]

Ok, now I can't wait for that......she's hot....LOL!!...

[7pointbull]

Just wait 'til the Palin sex tapes.

[50cal]

How did 50 miss this....???? <jks>

because it is irrelevant and he's just rambling......no need to reply....LOL!!!

[kiyaanii mom]

is so old he was around during the initial Treaty days......

How did 50 miss this....???? <jks>

[kiyaanii mom]

Here is a funny Sarah Palin debate flowchart.....

[Coyot_In_The_House]

The idea that McCain

what land did he steal???.....

is so old he was around during the initial Treaty days......

[kiyaanii mom]

whole heartedly????.....no, I just don't care for obama....none whatsoever......I don't believe in him, I don't believe in what he says.....but I will side with the one that doesn't annoy me as much as 'bama or what he proposes to be a track record, I guess you could put it as different strokes, different folks.......I see discrimination is still alive and thriving (a dinosaur, LOL).........and I'm arguing for the sake of argument.....LOL!!!!

And so am I....

[50cal]

Why don't you tell me what you are gonna say about them, the we'll see if my assumption is right?

what was I going to say, i ask you again.....you brought them up.....

[50cal]

Your gonna whole heartedly sit there and say you see strength in McCain and Palin? McCain is a dinosaur and Palin belongs on 90210.....C'mon man....I cringed when I saw her interview recently.....

Hey you gotta like the comment by Ferguson though....He mentioned how most Reservations are siding with Obama....Obviously because McCain stole the land.....

In other words McCain is a dinosaur....

whole heartedly????.....no, I just don't care for obama....none whatsoever......I don't believe in him, I don't believe in what he says.....but I will side with the one that doesn't annoy me as much as 'bama or what he proposes to be a track record, I guess you could put it as different strokes, different folks.......I see discrimination is still alive and thriving (a dinosaur, LOL).........and I'm arguing for the sake of argument.....LOL!!!!