Should the States be able to tax Tribes?

[superndngyrl]

Should the States be able to tax Tribes? I say NO WAY! What do you say?

Wall Street Journal Poll...So far the YES, they should tax tribes are winning!

VOTE NO! NOW! takes 3 seconds to do this...come on ndn's LET's KICK SOME BUTT!

Click here to VOTE!

http://discussions.wsj.com/n/mb/mess...2980.1&ctx=256

[Coyot_In_The_House]

HELL NO.......

Dat's Bullchit!!!!

[Crow_hunny_420]

Im wit Yot


Hell naw they shouldnt thats some BS :Mad :Yell :reallymad :36:

[traci_m]

Damn--did you read some of those comments? Right out of the cracker box!

But the comments against taxation are GREAT! Yeah, you guys go over and vote and put in a word. Thanks, Super, for bringing this to our attention. :Thumbs

[luvs2rodeo]

....it's now 57% YES

....43 % no.... :(

[traci_m]

Look at what this joker had to say:


"Ok....well since you feel so guilty about living in the United States, maybe you should drive to the nearest Indian reservation and give all of your belongings to the first Native American you see. You won't...you see, Esther, throughout history people have fought over land, and guess who gets to keep that land. Thats right, whoever won the "war". Right or wrong thats the way it is. Just remember that you live in the best country in the world. You should be proud....not ashamed.
Jose Lopez"

[traci_m]

And yet another blithering idiot!

"While I haven't studied the situation thoroughly, from what I do know of it, it has grown into a mess, totally disconnected from its original intent.
For starters, these "Indian" reservations seem to have morphed into dens of decadence, with little to no connection to Indian culture. E.g., gambling is the #1 cultural commodity that they have to sell, and even for that, they have outsiders run the places, so that all they have to do is sit back and collect the checks.

Secondly, that puts them at an unfair advantage to all of the communities which surround them, but are bound to more restrictive rules. Ergo, money ends up flowing out of communities, and into the Indian reservations.

Another point: did the Indians really have it so great before the Europeans arrived? Weren't they dieing from disease, wars with other Indian tribes, natural disasters, etc., much of which was alleviated by the advances of Western civilization?

Another: why not assimilate into American culture? Don't they think that they can make it here, without special rules to their benefit? Other peoples of every race & religion can get along alright, outside of special enclaves. I personally would welcome them to America..."

[superndngyrl]

yea there are some pretty interesting comments on there... I sat there for about 30 minutes just reading and reading... still not finished.... gonna read some more after work.

[Crow_hunny_420]

Originally posted by traci_m
And yet another blithering idiot!

"While I haven't studied the situation thoroughly, from what I do know of it, it has grown into a mess, totally disconnected from its original intent.
For starters, these "Indian" reservations seem to have morphed into dens of decadence, with little to no connection to Indian culture. E.g., gambling is the #1 cultural commodity that they have to sell, and even for that, they have outsiders run the places, so that all they have to do is sit back and collect the checks.


Another point: did the Indians really have it so great before the Europeans arrived? Weren't they dieing from disease, wars with other Indian tribes, natural disasters, etc., much of which was alleviated by the advances of Western civilization?

Grr:Yell i know those ones really burned my toast too!! :Mad

[keya_win20]

I cannot believe some people. I've read some of the things they have wrote. At first I was very furious because of how stupid they are. But now I only feel sorry for them, for having such a mind set on materialist things. i feel bad for them because they don't no any better.

[traci_m]

OK, let me end my cut and paste frenzy on a positive note, because this girl knows how the cow ate the cabbage. Tell it! TELL IT!

"This isn't even an intelligent question! Did anyone research this beyond finding out if the tribes have casinos?
Let's try a new set of questions:
1) Has the US government kept any treaty with any Indian nation ever written? (Answer: NO)
2) Has the US government ever paid the money it owed the Indian nations? (Answer: NO)
3) Is an Indian nation simply one of many communities within a state? (Answer: NO, it's a SOVEREIGN NATION)
4) Can we say the word NATION?
5) Where were the states before the casinos and other tribal enterprises?

How much "state funding" was allocated to the Indian nations prior to casinos, etc? Did the states in question take any financial responsibility for anything but roadways (if that much) prior to the Indian nations FINALLY getting to begin to implement their own business enterprises? Did the states pay for schools? Provide health care? Allocate tax dollars for community government? ANSWER: NO NO NO NO NO

Now that they're finally able to generate an income so they can support themselves, now that they're actually prospering despite every government effort including avoidance of paying "the rent" (see Cobell vs. Norton for definition of "rent") ... NOW the states want to collect taxes?

Hey, yo, Indian people. We'll take your land. We'll kill off as many of you as possible. What we can't kill, we'll dog tag, register, create legal long-term genocidal policies for like "minimum blood quantum," sterilize through covert operations like COINTEL, stuff you on the worst land in on the continent, NOT pay you the money we PROMISED to pay you, NOT keep ANY promise we EVER made you, AND ... you can pay us taxes for the privilege of not only surviving, but for actually proving you're intelligent enough to survive and survive well. That's pretty much a final kick in the teeth, don't you think?

Oh geez, wait ... I forgot a few things. Like how the media just LOVES to cast suspicion on Indian gaming as some kind of organized crime front or something (despite the fact that it has the strongest, most well-monitored rules to avoid that in the country - oh wait again ... forgot all the other gaming was owned by EURO-Americans, so that's different somehow).

Get a grip, America. Your greed has gone to your heads. Pay the rent that's been due for something like 200 plus years now and tighten your own belts instead of trying to grab money that simply is NOT yours. Try reading history that ISN'T written by a descendent of the conquerors. Try reading news that ISN'T mainstream.

Here are a few tips for you:
1) If Andrew Jackson did what he did in this century, his impeachment would be swift OR another country would step in to assist the Indian nations just like we did in how many other countries now?
2) Rush Limbaugh is NOT the "voice of moral America." He's a lying, drug addict that knew how to "play" you to gain airtime and fame.
3) The Indian nations do not and SHOULD not owe taxes to anyone - WE OWE THEM.

We can spend how much money - 80 billion or something ridiculous - on the war in Iraq, but we can't pay the bill we owe the people from which we STOLE this country? We can bail out every third world country on this planet but we CANNOT pay the bill we owe the people from which we STOLE this country?

And now you ask the positively second dumbest question of all time - Should states be able to tax revenue from casinos on Indian reservations?

ANSWER: Absolutely NOT"

[redbear]

Though I'm completely pissed off over this.... my mother says ignorance is something that can be fixed, educating someone about something they can not understand. However, you can't fix stupid! Stupid just is...

that would seem to be the case here.

[Destined to be alone]

You can only teach someone if there willing to listen and learn. We got alot of work to do beside this vote thing but it a start.O U T T I E:Angel2

[records_all_drumz]

Yer preachin to tha choir heeeere!


Read these lips we are separate NATIONS

[Grits & Beans]

HELL NO WE SHOULD NOT BE TAXED