Global warming !

[Tibiki Kinew]

I like to show an image of the melt-down of the Greenland-ice:


The image is recovered from this site: http://feww.wordpress.com/2010/03/24...sing-ice-mass/

and yes for the first time in over 500 years they have trees growing there on the coast! Lakes that were on top of the ice have disapeared into sink holes that melted downwards due to too high temps,,, lakes drained somewhere between 5 minutes to about an hour,,, all captured in video!!!!

[GoggenGH]

I like to show an image of the melt-down of the Greenland-ice:


The image is recovered from this site: http://feww.wordpress.com/2010/03/24...sing-ice-mass/

Greenland ice sheet lost about 1,604 km³ (385 cubic miles) of ice between April 2002 and February 2009, an amount equivalent to about 0.5 mm of sea-level rise each year, researchers say.

[yaahl]

The Farmer's Almanac is calling for a:

The short answer is, “probably not.” In fact, the strange upside-down weather pattern that was experienced last winter is, in reality, a naturally occurring part of the climate system and simply represents a temporary redistribution of heat energy across the Northern Hemisphere, caused by the potent global El Niño system that took hold during the summer of 2009 and ended during this past summer. During El Niño years, strong jet stream winds carry cold air further south than normal, causing typically cold areas, such as Canada and the northern United States, to see warmer, drier winter conditions than normal, while generally warmer areas experience colder, wetter conditions than normal.

For the coming year, though, the Canadian Farmers’ Almanac predicts that Old Man Winter will make a comeback, bringing back much colder conditions during 2010-11, particularly to the eastern half of the country. Applying our secret formula, we believe the upcoming winter season will display a split personality nationwide, with unseasonably cold temperatures in Newfoundland, Labrador, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick, southern and eastern Quebec, and southeast Ontario. The Maritime Provinces and the Gaspé Peninsula will experience particularly frigid temperatures; the equivalent of a cold slap in the face, after last winter’s relatively balmy conditions.

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I'm going to call this winter, a winter of Clime and Punishment...lol

For me, the weather is just the weather. It's cyclical, it's dependant of larger events that we humans, have no control over - we tend to do too much navel staring when it comes to our planet and we forget it's part of a larger entity that does have an effect upon us. When the hue and cry goes up about climate change, we forget to mention things like climate effectors and cycles. We all scream that the snow we see today isn't like the snow we saw as a kid... forgetting that as a vertically challenged person of 5 or 7 years old, everything looked bigger/more/greater back then.

We forget as well, that when we were kids, things like snow clearing, salt use and clothing wasn't done to the effect it is these days and either was our clothing... of course we felt colder back then... our winter coats were barely heavier than a bulky sweater. We feel warmer today because a) our houses aren't leaking sieves anymore with new technology of insulation and heating sources b)our clothing is made of new technology that keeps us warmer c) our vehicles are winterized these days to keep the passengers warmer d)we work and live inside for most of the winter these days - gone are the days of being outside for recreational time or working time. For most of us.. our winter temperatures are hovering at 21c all day... that's the temp most keep their environment at - car, home, office.

Summers feel hotter because we have become slaves to central air, vehicle AC and office AC. For me 38C temps, whether I was 7 or in my 40s is still 38C and it is still hot. People in cities still complain it's too hot and they still run to the country to cool off.. they've been doing that for centuries.

The only thing I see as an accelerator is that we create new ways to tell us how cold or hot it is...and we think we've discovered a climate disaster... it's all just a reinvention of the climate wheel...

[Tibiki Kinew]

Tibiki is correct in that the Earth does change poles and there are natural shifts in the environment. In fact they found evidence that the Sahara desert was once full of life. When it comes to global warming we aren't solely responsible for starting it but we are responsible for accelerating it... we are basically throwing gasoline on a tire fire.

If I understand it correctly, because the Earth is getting warmer it will facilitate a more rapid evaporation of water from the oceans and other sources. Water vapor is a good insulator. Excess water in the air also means more rain, and let me tell you that in my neck of the woods we have had some of the worst rain fall in recent history, rivers and streams flooding entire towns. Rain mixing with the gasses in the atmosphere form acid rain.

It always amazes me that people can honestly think that pouring tons of oxides of carbon, sulfur, and nitrogen, ozone, CFC's, methane, and complex hydrocarbons into the atmosphere will have no effect whatsoever on the planet.

Thank you! To add to this a bit more,,, the ice up north is just about gone the way it used to be, Greenland has got trees growing there for the first time in over 500 years! To make things worse, look at a map of antartica, it was once smaller than the USA and now the ice is well advanced in its build up and there are areas where the ice is now about 20 miles thick!!!!!!!! We are told that 90 % of the earths fresh water is stored in all that ice there. Chunks that break off are bigger than manhatten island... that tells you something about the vast size of the bergs alone.

[Toolbox]

I'm still having some difficulty for the warming cries when it's minus 45C for the better part of the winter here...I guess the "warming" is further south.

LOL I agree with you there, especially after the winter we had here... LOL

The truth is that a difference in a few degrees isn't enough for us to feel the difference but it is enough to cause major heat waves and winters that are plagued with messed up storm systems, dumping massive snows in areas that don't normally see it. Like Washington DC never used to get the snow they got the last two years.


Again, what I take from all the facts, is that this is a natural event that we are accelerating.

[GoggenGH]

I'm still having some difficulty for the warming cries when it's minus 45C for the better part of the winter here...I guess the "warming" is further south.

[yaahl]

I'm still having some difficulty for the warming cries when it's minus 45C for the better part of the winter here...I guess the "warming" is further south.

[Toolbox]

Tibiki is correct in that the Earth does change poles and there are natural shifts in the environment. In fact they found evidence that the Sahara desert was once full of life. When it comes to global warming we aren't solely responsible for starting it but we are responsible for accelerating it... we are basically throwing gasoline on a tire fire.

If I understand it correctly, because the Earth is getting warmer it will facilitate a more rapid evaporation of water from the oceans and other sources. Water vapor is a good insulator. Excess water in the air also means more rain, and let me tell you that in my neck of the woods we have had some of the worst rain fall in recent history, rivers and streams flooding entire towns. Rain mixing with the gasses in the atmosphere form acid rain.

It always amazes me that people can honestly think that pouring tons of oxides of carbon, sulfur, and nitrogen, ozone, CFC's, methane, and complex hydrocarbons into the atmosphere will have no effect whatsoever on the planet.

[GoggenGH]

1. Indigenous people contribute the least to global warming yet suffer its effects the most.

2. Indigenous people's are experiencing the introduction of new plant and animal species in their homelands and are having to change their lifestyles in order to cope with these new species.

I do agree with you! But are not the Indigenous people better in adapting themself to new enviroments, better than the "modern" man?

Do you have any idea what the general opinions are; global warming is caused by man, or is it just an natural process?

[CandaePrincess]

I believe global warming is very real and that over the last century or so, humans are responsible for it. We have dumped so much toxic gunk into the Earth and over it, that it's finally rebelling. I think it's doing as much damage to us as it is to the Earth.

Years ago, I saw a story on 60 Minutes that has really stayed with me. The U.S. exported bunches of beef to some "under developed" country. I believe it was one of the Caribbean islands. After eating this beef, that had been pumped full of antibiotics, stuff to make it grow fast and who knows what else, something odd began happening to the children of this island. They started reaching puberty between 7 and 9 years old. They started developing all the things kids develope in their teens. I will never be convinced that the beef we sent them had nothing to do with that. That's just a small little drop compared to what has gone on with the world at "our" hands.

it's happening to children in the U.S. as well b/c of all the hormones put in chicken and other meats. The people that work Farmer's Markets, etc., can put you into contact with grocers and farmers who sell their beef and chicken that do not use those hormones......

[WhoMe]

We are having an international indigenous forum on Global warming right now where I work. We have indigenous representives from New Guinea, Panama, Ethiopia, Russia, India, Ecuador, Kenya, Peru, Canada and the US. Two things that really stood out in my mind while listing to the effects of global warming on indigenous people is:

1. Indigenous people contribute the least to global warming yet suffer its effects the most.

2. Indigenous people's are experiencing the introduction of new plant and animal species in their homelands and are having to change their lifestyles in order to cope with these new species.



Luckily, representatives from NASA, The United Nations, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, U.S. Forest Service, UNESCO and numerous other independent organizations are in the audience listening to these concerns and are fostering partnerships.

[Ndnsoldierboy]

it is nothing more than a hoax...

[Tibiki Kinew]

Actually the planet itself does this every 7000 years and does a shift in its planetary axis, no matter what we do ice melts and freezes elsewhere! There is no way to control it whatsoever!!!

http://www.habtheory.com/3/

here you can download the pdf file of his book in its entirety and see what I mean. The planet shifts its axis by about 89% and the new poles from thousands of years ago are evident as the sterile areas called desserts! Under tons of ice all life gets sterilized and all this is proven. That is why the Mayan calendar is so important !!! Enjoy the read!!!!

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I believe global warming is very real and that over the last century or so, humans are responsible for it. We have dumped so much toxic gunk into the Earth and over it, that it's finally rebelling. I think it's doing as much damage to us as it is to the Earth.

Years ago, I saw a story on 60 Minutes that has really stayed with me. The U.S. exported bunches of beef to some "under developed" country. I believe it was one of the Caribbean islands. After eating this beef, that had been pumped full of antibiotics, stuff to make it grow fast and who knows what else, something odd began happening to the children of this island. They started reaching puberty between 7 and 9 years old. They started developing all the things kids develope in their teens. I will never be convinced that the beef we sent them had nothing to do with that. That's just a small little drop compared to what has gone on with the world at "our" hands.

[trouble]

Why is it so hard to believe Al Gore??? Why do you not like the man???

I said I couldn't believe him because he claimed he invented the internet...I didn't say I didn't like him, just that I had a hard time believing him.......

I think this idea that our chemicals, toxins, pollutants and emissions are not doing anything to the environment are a total act of denial or pure ignorance

I did not state anything to the contrary...In fact I DO believe that the chemicals, toxins, pollutants and emissions ARE harmful to our environment...I never stated otherwise...

The scientists who did the studies, came up with the information...this is not AL GORE's research....AL GORE is a spokesman for this cause...the fact that he has mis-stated things such as his INVENTION of the internet,and other such misnomers, makes him an illogical spokesman for the cause..I think if they really want people to take a good close look at it, they should take AL GORE out of the picture.......

If I made you think that I disbelieved the scientific information, that was not researched by AL GORE, then please accept my humble apologies......