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  • Broken Arrow
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    Interrupted reading Returning to the teaching.

    I have a pile of books to read (I am a book worm all my life since I can read) which I have put in a sequence to read which groups the books into themes. There are two major stacks.

    On Monday a book was delivered which I had intended to put on the second stack for later reading. Holding back the estimated more interesting books.

    The book is "The reluctant Pilgrim", written by Roger Welsch.

    I could not lay down this book but had to read it instantly. There was no way to do otherwise. Irritating as the other books went onto the second stack without the urgent feeling to read them at once and laying Rupert Ross's second book aside.

    That Roger Welsch wrote this book only at age 78 is well justified. The stories he tells are personal and are stories you might only share after long time and long thoughts with very close relatives. It is remarkable that he wrote this book and I am grateful that he did.

    The stories he tells are credible true. His arguing, commenting, describing the point of view of organized church against those who can tell similar stories as he does are all too true. If one ever experience something as Roger Welsch describes in his stories you better never tell a representative of any organized church.

    While Roger Welsch is very eloquent I would put it much simpler.
    I have trouble with the ground crews of heaven. Recently one of the organized church assured me, that his church is in the possession of the only and absolute truth.

    A lot of whatever mysterious or spirituality is in the bible has been and is manipulated by interpreting of those in the church who derive power and material benefit of that for now almost 2000 years.

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  • Broken Arrow
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    Finished Dancing with a ghost. Continue with Returning to the Teachings.

    First remarkable point of his book to me is his story on page 2 Chapter One about the feast of the Cree for the Mohawk and how through their respective "culture rules" the perception was created that both were each other intentionally insulting while both intended just the opposite of insulting; to show respect according to their individual culture rules.

    He is offering his opinion as he has experienced his exposure to the situation. It has to be deeply influenced by the task he was given. That can not be denied.

    The value of his contribution is that even if wrong and debated controversial it opens the way of debate or reflection to find a way through the mist.

    There is another story he uses to close his book on page 211.

    It seems that the Anglican and Roman Catholic missionaries, each with their own churches in the community, had been waging a fierce battle to see which church would convert the largest number of pagan souls. The chief found this struggle disruptive of harmony within the village, and decided that he must do something to settle the issue. His response was to write identical notes to each of the competing churches. In those notes he promised that he would eagerly lead all of his people into either church, as soon as the missionaries agreed among themselves whose God was the real God; in the meantime, he urged them to confine the argument ti themselves.

    I (Rupert Ross) suspect that he understood them far better than they thought he did.
    If it wouldn't be so sad, it is good for laughing which I did.
    I agree to Rupert Ross assessment. They have not settle that issue among themselves for almost a 700 years and continue not to do so.

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  • Broken Arrow
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    At least he is aware of being wrong and to that matter he says the truth.


    As an observation from outside the US, to order some books to reasonable price can be a daunting challenge. Sellers in the US, even amazon do not ship always outside the US. Amazon.de does not always offer the sought books and some reseller charge a profiteering price.

    Have a nice Sunday.

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  • OLChemist
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    Read the Ross books in order. He has an evolving understanding. In his later books, he says he got some things wrong in Dancing With A Ghost.

    His interpretations and suggestions are not uncontroversial. His experiences were largely with isolated communities in Kenora District. He is an outsider looking in, with a desire to try to understand why dominant culture norms and those of the communities he served were so different. He generalizes a touch too broadly. It needs to be remembered that as an attorney he was heavily involved in attempting to remediate the dysfunction in some of these communities. This colors his experiences and conclusions.

    So, take what he offers as what it is -- an informed non-Native voice. He even admits he got things wrong and may not even know it.

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  • Broken Arrow
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    Finished Turtle Lung Woman's granddaughter.
    A very great reading. I like it.
    Its so personal and takes you only by writing into another world as real if you let it happen.

    Next book.
    Dancing with a ghost by Rupert Ross.

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  • Broken Arrow
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    Finished Bead on an anthill. I very much like it.

    Now reading Turtle Lung Woman's Granddaughter by Delphine Red Shirt.

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  • Broken Arrow
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    Finished Custer died for your sins.

    A very interesting reading. Parts informative as to details, parts agreeable to the truth, parts to laugh, parts to disagree and perhaps intended to provoke thinking.

    Not every chapter is easy to read, to understand and comprehend due to many reasons.

    Some description of BIA behavior let's me think "Schilda".

    Der Begriff Schildbürgerstreich findet in der Umgangssprache für aberwitzige und irreführende Regelungen oder Auswüchse der Bürokratie Verwendung.
    The term "Schildbürgerstreich" (shield citizen prank)is used in the colloquial language for the irresponsible and misleading regulations or excesses of the bureaucracy.


    Started just with "Bead on an Anthill, A Lakota Childhood" by Delphine Red Shirt.
    Last edited by Broken Arrow; 05-02-2017, 02:49 PM.

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  • OLChemist
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    I finished Killers of the Flower Moon. Heartbreaking.

    This review gives a rough outline of the action.

    Killers of the Flower Moon review: The best book of the year so far

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  • Broken Arrow
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    No need for sorry but thank you very much for the explanation.


    Learning E&M on your own without classroom that requires a lot of personal qualities to will, persistance, endurance,...



    "Learning in the gutter" is than not easy to translate to German in one short sentence and retaining the full meaning.

    The general meaning of two of the words for gutter carry in them the meaning of your explanation. "The language belongs in the gutter" may be translated as "Gossensprache" or "Sprache aus der Gosse. "Gosse" a pleb word for "Rinnstein". Third word listed is "Dachrinne" = roof gutter.

    It makes a difference between written and edited books and classroom learning of "Oxford English" in "higher" education against normal day usage of English.

    Here at least I am not exposed to the spoken language of the Scots and Welsh here.

    Again learned something new. Taught English by "Indianer".

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  • OLChemist
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    Sorry. I use a lot of idioms and then forget they don't translate well.

    "In the gutter" is an American expression meaning in, to or from a squalid, filthy condition. To learn about something in the gutter is to imply you learned about it under unsavory, slightly illicit conditions. It also implies some of what you learned about the subject might be of questionable accuracy. In American English we'll say things like "That language belongs in the gutter," meaning that language is crude or profane and shouldn't be used in most circumstances.

    I was making a feeble joke about learning E&M on my own, in bits and pieces as I needed it, rather than in a classroom.

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  • Broken Arrow
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    Originally posted by OLChemist View Post
    I also got about 1/4 of the way through The Handbook of Ellipsometry. I got bogged down somewhere in dielectric tensor. Wish I had actually had an E&M course. Learning the Maxwell equations in the gutter has been a distinct disadvantage.

    I am always surprised by expressions used. Gutter I have found in the dictionary and there are thee main German words which are listed to gutter.

    Whatever of those three words is applicable I agree to you. The real challenge later is to apply the right math under given boundary conditions.

    That is good for long scientific debates about Maxwell, his equations and algebraic as well numeric solutions to practical problems. That is long ago that I did such math.

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  • OLChemist
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    This weekend I finished rereading Mary Roach's Packing for Mars That was my fun read.

    I also got about 1/4 of the way through The Handbook of Ellipsometry. I got bogged down somewhere in dielectric tensor. Wish I had actually had an E&M course. Learning the Maxwell equations in the gutter has been a distinct disadvantage.

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  • OLChemist
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    Last night I started:

    David Grann, Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI, Doubleday, 2017.

    This is the story of the murders of members of one Osage family during the 1920's and 1930's. They were, like many many other Osage, being killed for their mineral rights. The federal investigation of the sizable criminal conspiracy that killed 24+ Osage was conducted by the then fledgling FBI.

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  • Broken Arrow
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    Custer died for your sins

    by Vine Deloria, JR.

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  • Tsalagi_Phoenix
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    Currently reading Urban Gothic by Brian Keene.

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