Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Is Redskins a derogatory term?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Am I not supposed to say "Cherokee" or "Sioux"? How am I supposed to find these things out?

    Anywayz, as I've posted before, I think naming sports teams with native inspired names was great...cuz natives KICK @$$ in sports, warfare, all that...
    ...it is what it is...

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by Zeke View Post
      Not enough and they're being ridiculous in terms of focus.

      Every dollar or hour spent on the national stage regarding this topic is one NOT spent on the actual issues that Native people need to address.

      Feral cats on Rosebud are more important than Native-themed mascots...
      Yes true.

      From the first time that the team management was made aware of the racist potential of the name, which, in this day and age, they should've seen as a glaring problem in the first place, they made a decision obviously not to change it. They decided then that they did not care. I'm sure they aren't wasting the time and energy on it.

      If they cared, they'd have changed it by now. So those are the kind of people you are supporting. Your decision to support them or not.

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by wyo_rose View Post
        Am I not supposed to say "Cherokee" or "Sioux"? How am I supposed to find these things out?
        Everyone is supposed to read the 9 million page handbook that comes out just after they do and before the placenta, listing everyone else in the world and their genealogical lineage and proper names in their indigenous languages pronounced perfectly.

        On those three:
        Huron is derived from the French word for "ruffians", Cherokee "speakers of another language", Sioux:

        The name "Sioux" is an abbreviated form of Nadouessioux borrowed into Canadian French from Nadoüessioüak from the early Odawa exonym: naadowesiwag "Sioux".[4] Jean Nicolet recorded the use in 1640.[5] The Proto-Algonquian form *na·towe·wa, meaning "Northern Iroquoian", has reflexes in several daughter languages that refer to a small rattlesnake (massasauga, Sistrurus).[6] This information was interpreted by some that the Odawa borrowing was an insult. However, this Proto-Algonquian term most likely was ultimately derived from a form *-a·towe·, meaning simply "to speak a foreign language",[4] which would make it similar to the etymology of the Greek "Barbarian". Later this was extended in meaning in some Algonquian languages to refer to the massasauga. Thus, contrary to many accounts, the old Odawa word naadowesiwag did not equate the Sioux with snakes. This is not confirmed though, since usage over the previous decades has led to this term having negative connotations to those tribes to which it refers. This would explain why many tribes have rejected this term as an exonym. One source states that the name "Sioux" derives from a Chippewa word meaning "little snake";[7] Chippewa, or Ojibwa, is a dialectic variant of Odawa.
        Sioux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        These names are in common use and accepted by some people, not by others. I'm just sayin', the origins of these names can be considered offensive, too. We all live with some degree of tolerance for the sake of communication. And everyone has their preferences, too.

        The term "lady" can be considered offensive, even though royalty use the term:

        lady (n.)
        c.1200, lafdi, lavede, from Old English hlæfdige "mistress of a household, wife of a lord," literally "one who kneads bread," from hlaf "bread" (see loaf) + -dige "maid," related to dæge "maker of dough" (see dey (1); also compare lord). The medial -f- disappeared 14c. Not found outside English except where borrowed from it.
        Online Etymology Dictionary

        A "lafdi" was a woman, who would go from door to door, offering to "knead your bread". It was a real job I guess, but also the women were considered of low repute, the whole bread thing being a metaphor. Later, it came to mean "the object of chivalrous love", which doesn't go completely against the original meaning.

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by wyo_rose View Post
          Am I not supposed to say "Cherokee" or "Sioux"? How am I supposed to find these things out?

          Anywayz, as I've posted before, I think naming sports teams with native inspired names was great...cuz natives KICK @$$ in sports, warfare, all that...
          Yea? Name one NDN team worth one fourth of a rat's a$$!
          "Don't trust anyone who isn't angry."
          - John Trudell

          "Don't trust anyone who isn't hungry."
          - Me

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by RestlessN8iv View Post
            Yea? Name one NDN team worth one fourth of a rat's a$$!
            Sequoyah Indians, Tahlequah Oklahoma
            It is a High School

            We like to think they are worth at least one Rat's Arse

            Its an all Indian School...
            ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏩᎩ - Anigiduwagi
            Till I Die!

            Comment


            • #51
              I was thinking Mrs pro circuit

              KC Chiefs ... suck
              Redskins... Suck
              Indians / Atlanta braves... I don't watch baseball so you might have me there.
              "Don't trust anyone who isn't angry."
              - John Trudell

              "Don't trust anyone who isn't hungry."
              - Me

              Comment


              • #52
                Spartan was never a racial epithet used against the people of Sparta.
                The US does not have 500 year history of committing genocide against the Vikings or Irish, or Patriots.
                ...so that's a little different.

                and it's not just the word "Redskins" it's what comes with it.. namely this behavior:


                and while I agree mascot racism is not the greatest threat facing Indigenous people, it IS offensive because it is part of a larger problem between Native Americans and the dominant Eurocentric culture.
                There is only one success; to be able to live your life in your own way.

                Comment


                • #53
                  good points

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by outershell View Post
                    Spartan was never a racial epithet used against the people of Sparta.
                    Just people from rural Michigan?


                    Originally posted by outershell View Post
                    The US does not have 500 year history of committing genocide against the Vikings or Irish, or Patriots.
                    ...so that's a little different.
                    Well, they weren't here. And, when the Irish got here, they were treated like crap. (Sum? Comparing marginalization doesn't strike me as solid argumentative ground.)

                    Originally posted by outershell View Post
                    and it's not just the word "Redskins" it's what comes with it.. namely this behavior:
                    Who, precisely, is the fool in this picture? (It's not any Indian.) Seriously, you're offended by this? It's buffoonery and the highest form of non-threatening...

                    Originally posted by outershell View Post
                    and while I agree mascot racism is not the greatest threat facing Indigenous people, it IS offensive because it is part of a larger problem between Native Americans and the dominant Eurocentric culture.
                    You realize that we foster a significant portion of this "problem" by being militant about things like this?

                    There's not a centralized "dominant Eurocentric culture" in Europe anymore, let alone here and some folks (like the above) are just idiots. There is no cognizant and ongoing effort by any "dominant culture" to subvert our social status by virtue of eleven men paying homage to a spheroidal pigskin wearing a caricature.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by outershell View Post
                      Spartan was never a racial epithet used against the people of Sparta.
                      The US does not have 500 year history of committing genocide against the Vikings or Irish, or Patriots.
                      ...so that's a little different.

                      and it's not just the word "Redskins" it's what comes with it.. namely this behavior:


                      and while I agree mascot racism is not the greatest threat facing Indigenous people, it IS offensive because it is part of a larger problem between Native Americans and the dominant Eurocentric culture.
                      I can't wait to hear all bout his Cherokee Princess grandmother.
                      "Don't trust anyone who isn't angry."
                      - John Trudell

                      "Don't trust anyone who isn't hungry."
                      - Me

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        Somebody is paying attention if its making its way into the National Media
                        Native American mascots: Pride or prejudice? ? In America - CNN.com Blogs
                        ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏩᎩ - Anigiduwagi
                        Till I Die!

                        Comment


                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Josiah View Post
                          Somebody is paying attention if its making its way into the National Media
                          Native American mascots: Pride or prejudice? ? In America - CNN.com Blogs
                          And 90% of the comments tell us precisely where we are on this issue which recycles every ten years: tilting at windmills.

                          Just two examples?

                          "alf564

                          And it goes on and on and on, never ending complaining. If they really want to help "their people" work on getting them jobs and some industry onto the reservation instead of crying about a sports name...GOOD GRIEF !!!!"


                          "McBob79

                          The political correct loons on the warpath again. It's just a silly waste of time... there are so many more important issues facing America, like no jobs for Native Americans, African Americans and other minority groups. Mascot names for sports teams is not a top 10 problem facing America!"

                          This story is out there as fodder, not to create traction. There IS NO traction for movement on this issue.

                          Comment


                          • #58
                            I live near the DC area (about 45 mins away in good traffic), and there's just so many things that are more important than a dinky football team.

                            If people want to run around like nitwits looking like they were tared and feathered by a village of bleeding turkeys in honor of their almighty oval-shaped pigskin god, fine. Whatever. Nothing they do (no matter how hard they're trying) is actually representative of my culture or who I am today.

                            Sure, "redskin" was originally a derogatory term used to collectively describe the many great nations based on color. But if you REALLY feel so strongly about it, learn to take something that was once negative and either let it bounce off you, or turn it into something positive.

                            Look at the African American culture. They took so many names that once labeled them and served to hold them back, and turned them into something they can be proud of. So many are proud to be "black", "negro", and all the other terms used to describe them. Even the younger generations. Those words can't hurt them as a people anymore. And even when called certain names out of hatred, they know who they are and what they're about as people. So a little slight from a local village idiot means a whole lot less than it once did.

                            As for me, I'd be prouder to be a redskin if the team didn't suck so bad. And half the time no one gives a rat's *** what ethnicity I am anyway, unless I go out of my way to bring attention to it. Racist buggers give me the stink eye, so what? I've been called names for far more than just my race. Whether used decoratively or used under the excuse of trying to "honor" us, it's all in how we chose to be effected by it.

                            Until someone comes at me, my niece, nephews or family with pitchforks, torches and bricks, I got bigger fish to fry than a name used for some entertainment team.

                            Comment


                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Zeke View Post
                              And 90% of the comments tell us precisely where we are on this issue which recycles every ten years: tilting at windmills.

                              Just two examples?

                              "alf564

                              And it goes on and on and on, never ending complaining. If they really want to help "their people" work on getting them jobs and some industry onto the reservation instead of crying about a sports name...GOOD GRIEF !!!!"


                              "McBob79

                              The political correct loons on the warpath again. It's just a silly waste of time... there are so many more important issues facing America, like no jobs for Native Americans, African Americans and other minority groups. Mascot names for sports teams is not a top 10 problem facing America!"

                              This story is out there as fodder, not to create traction. There IS NO traction for movement on this issue.
                              Yeah well
                              If enough pressure is placed anything will change
                              I posted the article
                              We shall see
                              no matter what we say
                              Public Opinion is fickle
                              And just because the Loud mouths can type does not mean that the majority that did not type anything dont find it offensive...
                              ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏩᎩ - Anigiduwagi
                              Till I Die!

                              Comment


                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Josiah View Post
                                If enough pressure is placed anything will change.
                                Sure.

                                But we're never going to be able to apply that much pressure, at least not without tackling the meaningful problems, first.

                                Comment

                                Join the online community forum celebrating Native American Culture, Pow Wows, tribes, music, art, and history.

                                Related Topics

                                Collapse

                                • OneidaDreamer
                                  War is Necessary
                                  by OneidaDreamer
                                  Some people
                                  seem to have the idea
                                  that war is somehow heroic or necessary.

                                  War is not heroic.
                                  It is beastial, worse than beastial,
                                  it is something no beast will take part in,
                                  it is diseased, aberrant, in its action.

                                  War is not necessary...
                                  01-23-2008, 12:08 AM
                                • Telyn
                                  help with two dreams
                                  by Telyn
                                  hi everyone. i am hoping someone can help! sadly my grandmother passed years ago so i can't go to her to ask. so last week in my dream i was being attacked, by who or what i have no idea, but my spirit animal protected me. that's my first question. i have no idea what it is. at first i thought it was...
                                  10-04-2018, 03:08 AM
                                • rainwoman
                                  stopping suicide
                                  by rainwoman
                                  I am really mad this week. A young man in our community killed himself and if competent treatment that did not pre-judge a person's actions but instead treated everyone with respect was in place I have to wonder if the outcome would have been different. The Native treatment program has all kinds of...
                                  09-12-2006, 05:45 PM
                                • Blackbear
                                  GASP!!! we're not alone!
                                  by Blackbear
                                  There's a new phenomena in Japan... it's black wannabes... NO KIDDING, I"M NOT ****TING YOU!!! Check out the photos at the bottom of the page this link takes you to!

                                  05-21-2004, 04:51 AM
                                • lilchief00
                                  Just not right...
                                  by lilchief00
                                  I wanted to write and ask everyone's opinion on how they feel toward a certian issue. I live in Oklahoma and it seems everywhere there is a sign, there is a sign below or next to it that is in Spainish. Don't get me wrong I'm not a prejudice person, but that makes me angry. This is why...Our people...
                                  10-26-2006, 12:05 PM

                                Trending

                                Collapse

                                • OLChemist
                                  Redhorse Cafe -- the Food Truck
                                  by OLChemist
                                  *Rose wakes Chuy up and chases him out in to the parking lot to see his new digs. She fires up the portable evaporative cooler next to the tables. *

                                  Chuy, some iced tea, carne adovada, calabacitas, and sopaillas, please. It's so much fun to watch WD and BA chase their napkins in the...
                                  06-21-2021, 01:08 PM

                                Sidebar Ad

                                Collapse
                                Working...
                                X