i am australian but will be adopted as a cherokee this year

[running waters]

UUUMMM ok, all I said was take care of family, sounds as if your tring to pick someting with me, sorry if im wrong but beware if you are I pick back.

No i thought you were picking on me ok and as my late husband has passed on just recently you can understand i am very fragile at this time, as he meant the world to me, and i had to watch him getting worse in pain (from rectum cancer) and i was with him 24 hours a day and when he passed over.

Walk in peace

Running Water

[running waters]

Adoption amongst native people usually occurs when a person lives, breathes and thinks nothing else but the welfare of the family that may adopt them and......... vice versa. That bond has to be there. A family bond. It happens over a period of many years. It doesn't happen just because someone wants it.
If there ever was a conflict such as a land dispute conflict with a level of government ( even the U.S. gov't) that turned violent, the adoptee would have to stand by the nation even to the point of sacrificing their life for the tribe. This has happened and yes, it could still happen. Even if the violent confrontation gets resolved, the adoptee could be charged with treason by the government. Not standing up for the nation means exile and shunning by the tribe. You must be prepared for that. Adoption means complete absorption into the nation. In almost every nation, the prospective adoptee must learn the language before even being considered. Saying hello, thank you, see you later, counting, saying all my children in the particular language does not count. Complete absorption. That's what counts.
No, I'm not Cherokee. I don't even know how to say the native name in their language. Although I'm a full-blood Anishinaabe, I don't qualify for adoption into their tribe.

Are you ready?

Yes i am ready and yes i would stand up for all First Nations if i have to.



Running Water

[Eagle Plumes]

No i thought you were picking on me ok and as my late husband has passed on just recently you can understand i am very fragile at this time, as he meant the world to me, and i had to watch him getting worse in pain (from rectum cancer) and i was with him 24 hours a day and when he passed over.

Walk in peace

Running Water

You are in mourning now "means you cry for someone" are you following those traditions as well? Or has you Elder shared with you what happons when we mourn?

[FluteMaker]

what got me at first was that it sounded like you thought being adopted by a cherokee family made you cherokee.
it doesnt, it only makes you a memer of that family. but ive moved on,now im sickened by the fact that your husbands body is still warm and youre talking about being "a good cherokee wife".
austrailia has its own indiginous people, why not go pretend to be one of them? they've got some way cool traditions too.
it'll save you the airfare and it'll save the real cherokee people the embarssment that is you

[FluteMaker]

Yes i am ready and yes i would stand up for all First Nations if i have to.



Running Water

its not a matter of 'if i have to', its not a matter of being there when needed. its 24/7.its all the time with out hessetation. its pure dedication

[NorthofAda]

what got me at first was that it sounded like you thought being adopted by a cherokee family made you cherokee.
it doesnt, it only makes you a memer of that family. but ive moved on,now im sickened by the fact that your husbands body is still warm and youre talking about being "a good cherokee wife".
austrailia has its own indiginous people, why not go pretend to be one of them? they've got some way cool traditions too.
it'll save you the airfare and it'll save the real cherokee people the embarssment that is you

OUCH! A little harsh, don't you think?

I'm not a member of the Cherokee tribe, although my great-grandmother was, and I'm not Anishnabe, either. What I'm curious about is why is it any time someone mentions the name "Cherokee" folks want to label them a wannabe?

True, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no bq requirement, but does that mean that Cherokees are "less indian" than other tribes with more stringent requirements? If running waters had said she was being adopted by the Kiowa, Choctaw, Dine, etc., would you be grilling her like this? It just seems like anytime someone says "Cherokee" the alarm bells start ringing.

I don't pretend to know anything about Cherokee adoption practices or the validity thereof, but I think that is a CHEROKEE issue, not a Chickasaw, Anishnabe or even just NDN issue. If her elder is out of line in respect to the adoption process, shouldn't his tribe be the judge, jury and executioner on it and not us?

Our position as NDNs within the framework of the powwow forum should be one of education and encouragement, and if correction of error is to be done, let's do it gracefully. She didn't come on here trying to sell herself as a "Cherokee princess", or offering to sell medicine ceremonies like that guy in NY. She was just saying hello.

So....in the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Ok...I'll get off my soapbox now...

[FluteMaker]

OUCH! A little harsh, don't you think?

hehehe, you havent seen the PM she sent me outlining her plans.


its not the adoption thing that im against persey. at one point in history adopting a person was a thing of merit. today its just another thing of whimsy, like a person walking up and asking for an official ndn name and no more important.
this girl is not only not native, shes not even american. shes had this romantic dream of becoming indian since she was 12.
that alone screams to me wannabe but some of the other stuff she mentioned to me in an attempted azz chewing pm cinched it. im not impressed with her as a person or even as a human being as her motives seem to me to be completly ulterior

[running waters]

what got me at first was that it sounded like you thought being adopted by a cherokee family made you cherokee.
it doesnt, it only makes you a memer of that family. but ive moved on,now im sickened by the fact that your husbands body is still warm and youre talking about being "a good cherokee wife".
austrailia has its own indiginous people, why not go pretend to be one of them? they've got some way cool traditions too.
it'll save you the airfare and it'll save the real cherokee people the embarssment that is you

I am talking in the future in years to come if i remarry and if i marry a cherokee person ok, as before i meet my late husband i meet a cherokee man who wanted to marry me and i would learn to become a proper cherokee wife if i did marry.


Of course i not thinking on those lines at present, i mourn my late husband all the time and i am crying for him, nearly all day and night ok as i had known him for a long time and he knew my interest in tradional native american culture.

In fact before we got married it was his idea for me to go to usa to see pow wows etc as he did not want to fly because of 9/11 and the only reason i was left some little money from my late mother who loved travelling around the world so i was able to do so in remember of her.

I thought maybe some time this year i would go back just to see pow wows and do sweats and no other reason.

And no it is not a resume ok just stating the facts as i see it.

And no the people who are are my friends understand this and are not embrassed to know me even if they are cherokee or whatoever.

Running Water

[running waters]

You are in mourning now "means you cry for someone" are you following those traditions as well? Or has you Elder shared with you what happons when we mourn?

Yes i am trying to do it over here, and the elder over there is supporting me.

i only came on the computer just to have a few hours off from crying from remembering my husband and whatever i say in my heart, and what i feel, which my late husband knew about and which we discussed, flute maker would not understand that is his choice and i respect him on what he says, but he does not know whom i am and i dont know him of course, so let it at that ok.

Running Water

[running waters]

hehehe, you havent seen the PM she sent me outlining her plans.


its not the adoption thing that im against persey. at one point in history adopting a person was a thing of merit. today its just another thing of whimsy, like a person walking up and asking for an official ndn name and no more important.
this girl is not only not native, shes not even american. shes had this romantic dream of becoming indian since she was 12.
that alone screams to me wannabe but some of the other stuff she mentioned to me in an attempted azz chewing pm cinched it. im not impressed with her as a person or even as a human being as her motives seem to me to be completly ulterior

The creator knows whom i am and it is not a romatic dream, and it is not my fault i was born white and australian and not native american..

But you believe what you want to believe and i respect you for that.

Running Waters

[Joe G]

Just don't bring any vegemite over here!

[Eagle Plumes]

Just don't bring any vegemite over here!

Ok Joe share with me sweets, what is Vegemite?

[FluteMaker]

ive never had vegimite, but from what i understand its a very aquired taste.... i think its some kind of spread

[Eagle Plumes]

ive never had vegimite, but from what i understand its a very aquired taste.... i think its some kind of spread

OOHH I was thinkin it was something like V8 juice lol

[NorthofAda]

hehehe, you havent seen the PM she sent me outlining her plans.


its not the adoption thing that im against persey. at one point in history adopting a person was a thing of merit. today its just another thing of whimsy, like a person walking up and asking for an official ndn name and no more important.
this girl is not only not native, shes not even american. shes had this romantic dream of becoming indian since she was 12.
that alone screams to me wannabe but some of the other stuff she mentioned to me in an attempted azz chewing pm cinched it. im not impressed with her as a person or even as a human being as her motives seem to me to be completly ulterior

I see your point. In that case...flame away....