i am australian but will be adopted as a cherokee this year

[Singing Eagle]

I AM TAKING IT VERY SEROUS OK, MY CHEROKEE ELDER AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR OVER 2 AND HALF YEARS AN, AND WE BOTH WANTED THIS AND THOUGH I HAVE NO RED BLOOD IN ME, I WILL BECOME A WHITE CHEROKEE AND WILL DO MY BEST TO REPRESENT AND ALWAYS BE PROUD OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN RACE. I HAVE CHOOSEN THIS PATH SINCE 1 WAS 11-13 YEARS OLD.

I ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE FAMILY I HAVE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF HIM WHEN HE DIED AND CAME BACK, AND ALSO MY LATE HUSBAND WHO PASSED ON WITH RECTUM CANCER AND I WAS THERE FOR HIM 24 HOURS A DAY AND SAW HE PASS ON. MY LATE MOTHER HAD PARKINSON DISEASE AND I WAS THERE FOR HER ALSO.

I AM 58YEARS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MY FAMILY.



RUNNING WATERS

OMG - where the heck have I been? LOL

My only comment - you've know him a whole 2 and a half years - geez that's like almost a lifetime!

Sheesh - LOL!

I'm full blooded Anishinabe looking to be adopted Aussie - maybe then I'll get better seats to see my Keith!

[~Journey~]

Alright, this is all hogwash!!!!

First, the adoption ceremony can only happen one time a year and summer is not it!

Second, true tsalagi tradition does not contain sweats, that is a western thing. We have a different way of cleansing and it happens every day.

Second, who ever is purposing that he is a story teller is a fraud, especially if it is a "he."

Third, this person is not authorized by tsalagi tradition to do the wedding ceremony, if he were he wouldn't be involved in sweats or being a "story teller."

I believe you are going to get just what you deserve water. You would be much better off staying down under, you're getting ripped off with this bs wannabe stuff. Don't buy into it!

dohiyu,

Jim

Well said!

[FluteMaker]

There are many tribal nations in Australia who's ways are close to the earth. Many beautiful ceremonies.

Wouldn't be wiser to adopt yourself into one of those tribes?

im thinkin she would have, but she'd have to start eating bugs and hanging in the outback,plus...i doubt she'd ever be able to get up enough wind to play the didgeridoo

[wyo_rose]

I bet the Aboriginies have stricter standards than the white Cherokees.

Runningwaters have you seen Rabbit proof fence or Quigley Down Under? I would look closer to home before you cross the ocean.

Geez, I gotta check out Introductions more often.

[FluteMaker]

im still wondering about the gift and rice throwing

[FluteMaker]

i was just wondering when we could expect our wedding invitations (havent gotten mine yet)and where you had regestered. i have to make sure i can get the time off work and i really hope nobody picked up the silver plated vegemite decanter yet

[superndngyrl]

FYI. Here's a link for more info on the aborigines in Australia.

Australian Aboriginals - Crystalinks

Indigenous Australians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ac_miss]

where Running Waters go?

[Yonv Dohiyi]

I must give a Bigggg Sigh

Too often have our ways been misused by people that have only one thing in mind and that is money!!!
I hope this person is not asking for some kind of "donation" to do this "adoption"
"Western Cherokees" or Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma do adopt, but into a Family...
This does not make you a Cherokee!!!
It makes you part of that Family

And just what the hell is a "White Cherokee"???

I am a mixed blood Cherokee, Cherokee and Irish on my mothers side, and Cherokee and Hessian/German on my fathers. I consider myself Cherokee, "Tsaligi", but my physical appearance is white. I am not ashamed of this, but I think it is one definition of "White-Cherokee.

[Josiah]

I am a mixed blood Cherokee, Cherokee and Irish on my mothers side, and Cherokee and Hessian/German on my fathers. I consider myself Cherokee, "Tsaligi", but my physical appearance is white. I am not ashamed of this, but I think it is one definition of "White-Cherokee.

Buh

[timmy tiger]

I saw this link when it first came out, but I didn't answer to it. Now, I'm going to.

I have to agree with Josiah about it being a "family adoption", although I haven't read the whole link,but I will go back and look at it.

2 1/2 years, wow--that's such a long time (sarcasim). I have been very close friends with many people of many other nations and I have been to their Res. or their territory and met many of their families and been accepted for who and what I am. And they all seem to like me and yet we have never spoken of any kind of adoption and some of these are more then 5 years going on. I am descended through the Cherokee's and I am who I am. I go to Cherokee, NC to visit with my family and stay with family. But I have never needed or wanted to be adopted by anyone. That's just crazy.

Now, be very careful of who and what. There was a woman who was out in my neck of the woods a few years ago. Yes, she was from a Rez. out West. She was going around trying to adopt all these people, she even wanted to adopt me and my family---and I told her "no" for me and my son and said that my husband had to make his own decision. She bossed people around and dictated everything that everyone was going to do for her. The people, some of whom were the nicest people and they didn't deserve what she was doing to them, were told what they had to buy her and all of this other stuff. It was all about how she could get stuff from them and get them to spend all this money on her and show off. Oh, there was a big show at a pow wow. There was a "ceramony" (we called it hokie) and a huge give away and she gave them "Indian" names and they got their own songs. And all this other stuff, oh yeah there was a scripture reading at one of them (like in the bible). She kept telling all these people that the next year that she was going to take them all to her tribe and get them all Tribally Enrolled. So they all started saying that they were members of this Tribe. This was about 5 or 6 years ago, and (that I know of) no one ever went there and got their "Enrollment", but she sure did get alot out of them. Less then a year after the last adoption (the one at the pow wow), she up and disappeared. She has been back once or twice, but I don't have anything to do with her. To us, they were just adopted into her family, but to them---they were adopted into the Tribe because that was what she told them. But that never materialized for them as far as I know. And it probably never will.

[timmy tiger]

Okay, now I've read it and I have a few questions my self.

I agree with Ndnlady and alot with many of the people on here.

I would like to know what Cherokee Tribe you are being adopted into? No one has really asked that so far. Where are they from? You mentioned Wolf Clan, some of my family are Wolf Clan, so who and where? Are you aware that there is a group that calls themselves the "Cherokee Wolf Clan of TN" and yet they are not federally recognized as Cherokee people at all and I doubt that they are state recognized too. I took this info to my family two years ago. This is probably one of the groups like that.

I'm sorry, but it sounds to me like you are being bent over and there is not a jar of vaseline in sight.

[Josiah]

I saw this link when it first came out, but I didn't answer to it. Now, I'm going to.

I have to agree with Josiah about it being a "family adoption", although I haven't read the whole link,but I will go back and look at it.

2 1/2 years, wow--that's such a long time (sarcasm). I have been very close friends with many people of many other nations and I have been to their Res. or their territory and met many of their families and been accepted for who and what I am. And they all seem to like me and yet we have never spoken of any kind of adoption and some of these are more then 5 years going on. I am descended through the Cherokee's and I am who I am. I go to Cherokee, NC to visit with my family and stay with family. But I have never needed or wanted to be adopted by anyone. That's just crazy.

Now, be very careful of who and what. There was a woman who was out in my neck of the woods a few years ago. Yes, she was from a Rez. out West. She was going around trying to adopt all these people, she even wanted to adopt me and my family---and I told her "no" for me and my son and said that my husband had to make his own decision. She bossed people around and dictated everything that everyone was going to do for her. The people, some of whom were the nicest people and they didn't deserve what she was doing to them, were told what they had to buy her and all of this other stuff. It was all about how she could get stuff from them and get them to spend all this money on her and show off. Oh, there was a big show at a pow wow. There was a "ceremony" (we called it hokie) and a huge give away and she gave them "Indian" names and they got their own songs. And all this other stuff, oh yeah there was a scripture reading at one of them (like in the bible). She kept telling all these people that the next year that she was going to take them all to her tribe and get them all Tribally Enrolled. So they all started saying that they were members of this Tribe. This was about 5 or 6 years ago, and (that I know of) no one ever went there and got their "Enrollment", but she sure did get alot out of them. Less then a year after the last adoption (the one at the pow wow), she up and disappeared. She has been back once or twice, but I don't have anything to do with her. To us, they were just adopted into her family, but to them---they were adopted into the Tribe because that was what she told them. But that never materialized for them as far as I know. And it probably never will.

Okay, now I've read it and I have a few questions my self.

I agree with Ndnlady and alot with many of the people on here.

I would like to know what Cherokee Tribe you are being adopted into? No one has really asked that so far. Where are they from? You mentioned Wolf Clan, some of my family are Wolf Clan, so who and where? Are you aware that there is a group that calls themselves the "Cherokee Wolf Clan of TN" and yet they are not federally recognized as Cherokee people at all and I doubt that they are state recognized too. I took this info to my family two years ago. This is probably one of the groups like that.

I'm sorry, but it sounds to me like you are being bent over and there is not a jar of Vaseline in sight.

Good points in all this
And in my experience I have never seen a formal adoption into the tribe not to say it has never happened or will never happen just that "I" have never seen it

An adoption into a family is much more common but only makes you part of that family
But i have not seen any of those in a longggg time
And usually it is somebody that has known the Family for years and it is just a formality that they adopt them.

In my experience if somebody whos says they are a "shamen" asks you for money to do something for you they are a con artist and definitely if they have a rate schedule for services rendered.
Or if they ask you for a donation, or if they ask you for anything under the sun.
In my experience you ask there family what they like, you ask the people that pointed you in there direction what is the proper "gift". But that person will never ask you straight out, this will cost 200 dollars or whatever...
In my experience...

[Kiwehnzii]

I'm sorry, but it sounds to me like you are being bent over and there is not a jar of vaseline in sight.

LOL

[FluteMaker]

ya'know, i never mean to belittle anyone who is of genuine herritage wanting to take part in the culture of that herritage.ive never bought into the quantum idea, i hate the 'im part this and im part that' thing. i think it shows such a degree of self lothing that we subdivide even our own persons. what ever portion or portions of a persons herritage they choose to celebrate is thier own business (or problem,depending on how you look at it) but this chick cracks me up. you cant get too much farther from the us of a than austrailia and still be on dry land. and shes been dreaming of being an indian since she was a kid.
i couldnt ask for a better example of why i sometimes feel sorry for the cherokee. here you have a people who have been so well documented throughout history that all a person need do is pick up a few books, learn some names and dates, key in on some select slang and boom, nstant ndn.

even with all the jokes i make about the cherokee people, my hat is off to all the true born cherokee who persevere and take the riddicule and abuse brought upon them by the crystal gripping hippie twinkie brigade. i salute you all