i am australian but will be adopted as a cherokee this year

[FluteMaker]

OUCH! A little harsh, don't you think?

hehehe, you havent seen the PM she sent me outlining her plans.


its not the adoption thing that im against persey. at one point in history adopting a person was a thing of merit. today its just another thing of whimsy, like a person walking up and asking for an official ndn name and no more important.
this girl is not only not native, shes not even american. shes had this romantic dream of becoming indian since she was 12.
that alone screams to me wannabe but some of the other stuff she mentioned to me in an attempted azz chewing pm cinched it. im not impressed with her as a person or even as a human being as her motives seem to me to be completly ulterior

[NorthofAda]

what got me at first was that it sounded like you thought being adopted by a cherokee family made you cherokee.
it doesnt, it only makes you a memer of that family. but ive moved on,now im sickened by the fact that your husbands body is still warm and youre talking about being "a good cherokee wife".
austrailia has its own indiginous people, why not go pretend to be one of them? they've got some way cool traditions too.
it'll save you the airfare and it'll save the real cherokee people the embarssment that is you

OUCH! A little harsh, don't you think?

I'm not a member of the Cherokee tribe, although my great-grandmother was, and I'm not Anishnabe, either. What I'm curious about is why is it any time someone mentions the name "Cherokee" folks want to label them a wannabe?

True, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no bq requirement, but does that mean that Cherokees are "less indian" than other tribes with more stringent requirements? If running waters had said she was being adopted by the Kiowa, Choctaw, Dine, etc., would you be grilling her like this? It just seems like anytime someone says "Cherokee" the alarm bells start ringing.

I don't pretend to know anything about Cherokee adoption practices or the validity thereof, but I think that is a CHEROKEE issue, not a Chickasaw, Anishnabe or even just NDN issue. If her elder is out of line in respect to the adoption process, shouldn't his tribe be the judge, jury and executioner on it and not us?

Our position as NDNs within the framework of the powwow forum should be one of education and encouragement, and if correction of error is to be done, let's do it gracefully. She didn't come on here trying to sell herself as a "Cherokee princess", or offering to sell medicine ceremonies like that guy in NY. She was just saying hello.

So....in the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Ok...I'll get off my soapbox now...

[FluteMaker]

Yes i am ready and yes i would stand up for all First Nations if i have to.



Running Water

its not a matter of 'if i have to', its not a matter of being there when needed. its 24/7.its all the time with out hessetation. its pure dedication

[FluteMaker]

what got me at first was that it sounded like you thought being adopted by a cherokee family made you cherokee.
it doesnt, it only makes you a memer of that family. but ive moved on,now im sickened by the fact that your husbands body is still warm and youre talking about being "a good cherokee wife".
austrailia has its own indiginous people, why not go pretend to be one of them? they've got some way cool traditions too.
it'll save you the airfare and it'll save the real cherokee people the embarssment that is you

[Eagle Plumes]

No i thought you were picking on me ok and as my late husband has passed on just recently you can understand i am very fragile at this time, as he meant the world to me, and i had to watch him getting worse in pain (from rectum cancer) and i was with him 24 hours a day and when he passed over.

Walk in peace

Running Water

You are in mourning now "means you cry for someone" are you following those traditions as well? Or has you Elder shared with you what happons when we mourn?

[running waters]

Adoption amongst native people usually occurs when a person lives, breathes and thinks nothing else but the welfare of the family that may adopt them and......... vice versa. That bond has to be there. A family bond. It happens over a period of many years. It doesn't happen just because someone wants it.
If there ever was a conflict such as a land dispute conflict with a level of government ( even the U.S. gov't) that turned violent, the adoptee would have to stand by the nation even to the point of sacrificing their life for the tribe. This has happened and yes, it could still happen. Even if the violent confrontation gets resolved, the adoptee could be charged with treason by the government. Not standing up for the nation means exile and shunning by the tribe. You must be prepared for that. Adoption means complete absorption into the nation. In almost every nation, the prospective adoptee must learn the language before even being considered. Saying hello, thank you, see you later, counting, saying all my children in the particular language does not count. Complete absorption. That's what counts.
No, I'm not Cherokee. I don't even know how to say the native name in their language. Although I'm a full-blood Anishinaabe, I don't qualify for adoption into their tribe.

Are you ready?

Yes i am ready and yes i would stand up for all First Nations if i have to.



Running Water

[running waters]

UUUMMM ok, all I said was take care of family, sounds as if your tring to pick someting with me, sorry if im wrong but beware if you are I pick back.

No i thought you were picking on me ok and as my late husband has passed on just recently you can understand i am very fragile at this time, as he meant the world to me, and i had to watch him getting worse in pain (from rectum cancer) and i was with him 24 hours a day and when he passed over.

Walk in peace

Running Water

[Kiwehnzii]

Adoption amongst native people usually occurs when a person lives, breathes and thinks nothing else but the welfare of the family that may adopt them and......... vice versa. That bond has to be there. A family bond. It happens over a period of many years. It doesn't happen just because someone wants it.
If there ever was a conflict such as a land dispute conflict with a level of government ( even the U.S. gov't) that turned violent, the adoptee would have to stand by the nation even to the point of sacrificing their life for the tribe. This has happened and yes, it could still happen. Even if the violent confrontation gets resolved, the adoptee could be charged with treason by the government. Not standing up for the nation means exile and shunning by the tribe. You must be prepared for that. Adoption means complete absorption into the nation. In almost every nation, the prospective adoptee must learn the language before even being considered. Saying hello, thank you, see you later, counting, saying all my children in the particular language does not count. Complete absorption. That's what counts.
No, I'm not Cherokee. I don't even know how to say the native name in their language. Although I'm a full-blood Anishinaabe, I don't qualify for adoption into their tribe.

Are you ready?

[Eagle Plumes]

I AM TAKING IT VERY SEROUS OK, MY CHEROKEE ELDER AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR OVER 2 AND HALF YEARS AN, AND WE BOTH WANTED THIS AND THOUGH I HAVE NO RED BLOOD IN ME, I WILL BECOME A WHITE CHEROKEE AND WILL DO MY BEST TO REPRESENT AND ALWAYS BE PROUD OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN RACE. I HAVE CHOOSEN THIS PATH SINCE 1 WAS 11-13 YEARS OLD.

I ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE FAMILY I HAVE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF HIM WHEN HE DIED AND CAME BACK, AND ALSO MY LATE HUSBAND WHO PASSED ON WITH RECTUM CANCER AND I WAS THERE FOR HIM 24 HOURS A DAY AND SAW HE PASS ON. MY LATE MOTHER HAD PARKINSON DISEASE AND I WAS THERE FOR HER ALSO.

I AM 58YEARS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MY FAMILY.



RUNNING WATERS

UUUMMM ok, all I said was take care of family, sounds as if your tring to pick someting with me, sorry if im wrong but beware if you are I pick back.

[running waters]

I agree with my friend Flutemaker, Adoption and family are taken very seriously, those are very special bonds ,not to treated lightly. Always take care of family no matter what.

I AM TAKING IT VERY SEROUS OK, MY CHEROKEE ELDER AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR OVER 2 AND HALF YEARS AN, AND WE BOTH WANTED THIS AND THOUGH I HAVE NO RED BLOOD IN ME, I WILL BECOME A WHITE CHEROKEE AND WILL DO MY BEST TO REPRESENT AND ALWAYS BE PROUD OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN RACE. I HAVE CHOOSEN THIS PATH SINCE 1 WAS 11-13 YEARS OLD.

I ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE FAMILY I HAVE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF HIM WHEN HE DIED AND CAME BACK, AND ALSO MY LATE HUSBAND WHO PASSED ON WITH RECTUM CANCER AND I WAS THERE FOR HIM 24 HOURS A DAY AND SAW HE PASS ON. MY LATE MOTHER HAD PARKINSON DISEASE AND I WAS THERE FOR HER ALSO.

I AM 58YEARS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MY FAMILY.



RUNNING WATERS

[Eagle Plumes]

i think the adoption thing is cute, way over used, but cute.
i guess i just take the whole making of relatives a bit more seriously than others.
i wonder if this aussie knows how this whole thing works or if she just skimmed over that chapter in tha black elk book

I agree with my friend Flutemaker, Adoption and family are taken very seriously, those are very special bonds ,not to treated lightly. Always take care of family no matter what.

[running waters]

hello and welcome

thank you

[running waters]

Hi running waters........nice to meet you. Hope you enjoy the site.

Hau Kona........means welcome in my language, which is the Assiniboine language.

thank you

[Eagle Plumes]

Cool.

Welcome to Cherokee-dom.

We need more adopted Cherokees in the USA.

I like that one! lol

[Eagle Plumes]

hello and welcome