Saying Hello

[wardancer]

still going to go to Native Pow-wows and I really don't care if others hate me like me or love me its your choice I am not going to twist your arm to make friends or make war if you want lol. Its up to you guys and girls not me if you want to be friends or not or at least civil to one another I was going to leave this site and take my name off here but why should I run away when others have just as much attitude if not more than me there are a lot of that going around on here smart mouths so on and I don't like it one bit. Lose the attitude I will try my best to lose mine you reap what you sow you give attitude to me you'll get it right back in your face and space don't like it don't come around me then simple as that. Like War Dancer saying when he grows up to be Native he will get him a headband what's up with that comment smart butt if you ask me lol. To Me that's being smart or smarting off I don't like smart mouths and people with the Big Chief attitude I get enough of that in my home don't need that here. The Big man Attitude saying I am Indian and you are not what's up with that too cant we all be civil to one another and quit going on the warpath every time I say anything out of my mouth oh I get the looks and the eye rolling and the lmaos and Oh Lord here we go again attitude like I said drop the attitude and I will try my hardest to drop mine I don't have issues either just speaking my mind don't like it don't care. Already got one infraction you want to bring it bring it then keep them coming I have lots to say on my mind and my feelings. And I have said my peace whether you agree or not or get offended. And btw I am not the only chief on here there are too many chiefs running the show here and I don't like that either keep your mouth shut nothing but evil to say about someone or be nice choices choices make up your minds what it will be and let me know.

And the stereotypes continue !

[OLChemist]

On the outfits, I understand that these develop and change over time and are different according to the dancers nation and are very personalised. Is there a basic starting point for individuals? Are outfits passed down through families. Are you expected to make your own, what happens if you have no talent with a needle and thread?

You start by talking with your family, your elders and other dancers. Most people have a mentor who teaches them and who may ultimately bring them into the arena. Usually once you have found your mentor and your particular dance style you work on an outfit.

Outfits come from many sources. You many have pieces that are passed down. You may be given an entire outfit as a gift. You may make part or all of it. Some pieces of regalia are made by people who have special rights to make certain items.

If you're not able to make parts, you pay people like me or others on here to do it for you. Or you hope you have family members that will take pity on you and make your outfit.

On Face Paint – clearly there is great symbolism, has the symbolism been carried on, what does it say. eg. The fellow on the Morongo banner (Thunder & Lightning Pow Wow) with the white across his eyes and what appears to be a yellow beak or claw. What does this mean?

That's a men's thing. I'll have to defer to an expert on that.

[OLChemist]

I don't understand this at all. Are you saying my attitude stinks?

Mogs, my apologies. The tirade is directed at me and several others on here. Not you.

[Mogs]

Nah... she's talking about the rest of us. Ignore her, she's just post crashing.

Thank you.

Sorry, I shall endeavor to remember that as an American I don't really speak English :)

"Two countries separated by a common language". I expect you find my spelling odd, but if I try to spell the American way it would look really naf - I could manage tonight(tonite) and colour(color) but anymore I'll get wrong.

...inquiries of this nature may be greeted with silence

That's a tough one as the internet will not let me know whether I am being deliberately being blanked or whether I have not been noticed.

Lets hope a bloke will come along to explain the face paint or tell me to drop it.

Thanks

K

[wardancer]

Lets hope a bloke will come along to explain the face paint or tell me to drop it.

Thanks

K

Well , paint is a very personal thing for some , religious and sacred to others , and for some it's just to look cool !

Mine is personal. We'll leave it at that.

To others though it's symbolic of past times. The use of designs and symbols can be from family ties ,clans , warrior societies ,tribal representation , etc. etc. Or it could have just been a vision !
Sometimes it was to make the enemy fear such a formidable figure with a scary face or body ! Sometimes the colors used were symbolic. Sometimes it was considered "medicine"
Modern competition powwows have also influenced , as dancers want to be noticed. In order to win contests , the judges have to see you.
Now you have the "quick paint lesson"! LOL Please don't attack me with any vegetable by products !

[Toolbox]

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"Two countries separated by a common language". I expect you find my spelling odd, but if I try to spell the American way it would look really naf - I could manage tonight(tonite) and colour(color) but anymore I'll get wrong.

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We are used to your spelling style as it is much closer to the way Canadians spell certain words.

[Jojo PurPur]

Hello, too

Hi everyone,

like Mogs/Kevin, I am an outsider, too. I'm from Germany and a student of English Speaking Cultures and History, whith interest in Native American contemporary culture.
I just wanted to say a big Thank you for this informative, interesting discussion here.
I thought that the practice of adopting children out of Native families had already stopped before the 1960s, because of the re-thinking and activism against the Boarding school system (like Carlisle Industrial School, PA), where children where kidnapped and forced to go to distant schools where beatings, malnourishments, and mistreatments occurred as well as prohibition of speaking their Native languages.

I'm not Native American, so please correct me if I'm wrong/impolite/rude, but I would recommend the page jstor (JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie), which libraries/universities/colleges near you might have access to, if you search for scholarly articles (i.e from the magazine "The American Indian Quarterly").
Also the webpage of the National Museum of the American Indian (Home | National Museum of the American Indian) is very informative and educative.
The newspaper-page Native & American Indian News, Culture, Music, Art and More - Indian Country Today Media Network.com offers a lot of non-scholarly articles with a wide range of topics.
I also like "The 1491s", a Native comedy (and eco/human rights activists?) group on youtube, who also post videos to represent Native people and culture:https://www.youtube.com/user/the1491s

Hope this helps you further :)
Best wishes
Jojo

[Vigalante]

no Olchemist does his attitude stinks lol shewwww

I don't understand this at all. Are you saying my attitude stinks?

Ol Chemist Attitude stinks and war dancer too lol

[Vigalante]

some ndns on here get shaking up too much you cant handle the truth though

can you handle the truth too many ndns on here are getting shaken up that's all later

[wardancer]

can you handle the truth too many ndns on here are getting shaken up that's all later

I have no clue what you are talking about.
The only thing we said to you was about stereotypical bull crap that you, as well as other "thin blood know nothings" use all the time. Instead of being educated, even just a little bit , you chose to attack and try to belittle long standing members of this site.
You know when 1 person has a problem with you , it could go either way. When EVERYONE has a problem with you , maybe YOU should change.
I'm not "shook up" , I'm just trying to maintain some civility on this forum. I will say this , I'm tired of your BULL and I've already recommended you be banned. I rarely do that with regular members.

[White Powwow Dancer]

Mogs
Welcome to the board.

[subeeds]

still going to go to Native Pow-wows and I really don't care if others hate me like me or love me its your choice I am not going to twist your arm to make friends or make war if you want lol. Its up to you guys and girls not me if you want to be friends or not or at least civil to one another I was going to leave this site and take my name off here but why should I run away when others have just as much attitude if not more than me there are a lot of that going around on here smart mouths so on and I don't like it one bit. Lose the attitude I will try my best to lose mine you reap what you sow you give attitude to me you'll get it right back in your face and space don't like it don't come around me then simple as that. Like War Dancer saying when he grows up to be Native he will get him a headband what's up with that comment smart butt if you ask me lol. To Me that's being smart or smarting off I don't like smart mouths and people with the Big Chief attitude I get enough of that in my home don't need that here. The Big man Attitude saying I am Indian and you are not what's up with that too cant we all be civil to one another and quit going on the warpath every time I say anything out of my mouth oh I get the looks and the eye rolling and the lmaos and Oh Lord here we go again attitude like I said drop the attitude and I will try my hardest to drop mine I don't have issues either just speaking my mind don't like it don't care. Already got one infraction you want to bring it bring it then keep them coming I have lots to say on my mind and my feelings. And I have said my peace whether you agree or not or get offended. And btw I am not the only chief on here there are too many chiefs running the show here and I don't like that either keep your mouth shut nothing but evil to say about someone or be nice choices choices make up your minds what it will be and let me know.

Get your knickers in a knot much? BTW, coming to an NDN forum with a user name like Vigalante, is kind of..off putting. Vigalantes have done much harm over the centuries.

[Mogs]

Please Stop This

Mogs, my apologies. The tirade is directed at me and several others on here. Not you.

Thank you for the explanation, although an apology was not needed.

In general I do not get involved in other peoples disagreements (unless asked to do so). But there are exceptions:-

Vigalante - you may or may not have a valid grievance, I’m not taking sides, but I fear your message maybe putting others off from replying to the genuine queries I’m making, or worse turning this into a slanging match. Please don’t continue your dispute on this thread.

K

[Mogs]

Well , paint is a very personal thing for some , religious and sacred to others , and for some it's just to look cool !

Mine is personal. We'll leave it at that.

Thanks, not to delve too much further, but can you or other Ndns occasionally discern the meaning?

Now you have the "quick paint lesson"! LOL Please don't attack me with any vegetable by products !

As usual, I don't get the joke, but if I were to throw a turnip at you, it would be the most ambitious I have ever been, your probably about four thousand miles away.

K

[wardancer]

Thanks, not to delve too much further, but can you or other Ndns occasionally discern the meaning? That would be up to the individual. I'm sure some would not be opposed to revealing how they got their paint , or why they wear it.



As usual, I don't get the joke, but if I were to throw a turnip at you, it would be the most ambitious I have ever been, your probably about four thousand miles away.

K

It was aimed at "vigalante" She has repeatedly mentioned threats of depositing corn cobs into posteriors(arse) ! ndns(and most folks) occasionally use sarcasm to try to make a point without actually coming right out and saying something , especially if it would hurt or insult them.