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[wardancer]

Well , you know , once again he speaks of something he knows nothing about , with an attitude nobody likes. But , I'm not strifin' !

[wardancer]

Oh , maybe he meant desert....I saw a recipe for some blueberry pie ??? Hmmm..........

[Josiah]

Saying "I'm Native" in a room full of Natives isn't impressive, just introductory. I hope you, he, and I will get along in the future; but I think we need to just stop with the strife first. I should have phrased stuff differently, and you guys shouldn't make assumptions about people you've just met. We're equally at fault for this.

I can't say I'm envious of anyone stuck out in the desert either. Sorry to hear that.

<< Josaiah, teh grumpy cacti

"Oklahomies"

Its Josiah pronounced Jo-si-ah
I was named for my grandpa who did not runaway...
Call me the Myth Buster
You Say NGE Cherokee, I say no such thing
You say Desert, I say Trees and streams what is called Green Country.
You are not the first to come to these forums and say Cherokee something or another
You will not be the last,

No, I write these posts for other people to read for they may think there is such a thing as a Desert in Oklahoma or such a thing as a NGE Cherokee
You will always believe what you want to, my writings wont change that. But for those that dont know anything about our people perhaaps they will come away with a better understanding.
If not that is there business and what I write wont change things...

I find it fascinating however that these kinds threads follow a predictable pattern.
Being called Grumpy is a new one though
LoL
Its usually stronger language

[Maize-Grower]

Its Josiah pronounced Jo-si-ah
I was named for my grandpa who did not runaway...
Call me the Myth Buster
You Say NGE Cherokee, I say no such thing
You say Desert, I say Trees and streams what is called Green Country.
You are not the first to come to these forums and say Cherokee something or another
You will not be the last,

No, I write these posts for other people to read for they may think there is such a thing as a Desert in Oklahoma or such a thing as a NGE Cherokee
You will always believe what you want to, my writings wont change that. But for those that dont know anything about our people perhaaps they will come away with a better understanding.
If not that is there business and what I write wont change things...

I find it fascinating however that these kinds threads follow a predictable pattern.
Being called Grumpy is a new one though
LoL
Its usually stronger language

My bad on the misspelling. I must have read that wrong.

I've been to OK... There's a bunch of flat and brown. It's pretty dry too. Only nice place I saw was up in the mountains near Stigler, and that was my Great-great-Uncle's small-ish ranch.

"You are not the first to come to these forums and say Cherokee something or another"
I saw that one nut going on about a head-band and a DNA test... Doesn't he know DNA tests are pretty much useless for anything other than establishing probability of paternity/maternity? I can see why you'd be leery of people making a claim of the same tribe. I don't know why all the nuts pick the same one. But I'm not one of those... I actually have the genealogy papers to back my claim, the requisite blood quantum, and ancestors on the rolls before the Baker rolls. My only problem is that my family left before the Baker Rolls were taken, so we're not on the ones currently used for determining citizenship. If the internal law changed to descent from Guion Miller rolls for example, I would be down there filling out the paperwork in mere days. I'm not enrolled as a citizen. But that doesn't mean that I have no connection whatsoever. Family is family no matter what the law is.

[OLChemist]

At the risk of thread highjacking....

It's funny how our experience the plants and topography surrounding us shape our expectations. I grew up going back and forth between NW Nebraska and SW Pennsylvania. Some black eyed susans, flowering spurge and ironweed growing the along the ditch or fence line, or some jewel weed, may apples and a beech tree or two and my internal compass says I know where I am. I didn't have to have a clear line of sight.

When I was an ungrad my roommate (soon to be best friend), raised within 1/4 mile of the Pacific Ocean in the wilds of Palos Verdes, commented as we were driving TN 73 through the mountains, that she felt a little claustrophobic. There could be anything lurking out there in those trees. I laughed at her. I loved the area, it felt homey.

After a decade and a half away from the area, living in NM and TX, I was able to start going back east. I was traveling with my former roommate down TN 73 heading into Townsend. I had been oddly tense since leaving the interstate. I realized I was missing my clear light of sight.

Well that was a lame observation on human nature.

[Josiah]

At the risk of thread highjacking....

It's funny how our experience the plants and topography surrounding us shape our expectations. I grew up going back and forth between NW Nebraska and SW Pennsylvania. Some black eyed susans, flowering spurge and ironweed growing the along the ditch or fence line, or some jewel weed, may apples and a beech tree or two and my internal compass says I know where I am. I didn't have to have a clear line of sight.

When I was an ungrad my roommate (soon to be best friend), raised within 1/4 mile of the Pacific Ocean in the wilds of Palos Verdes, commented as we were driving TN 73 through the mountains, that she felt a little claustrophobic. There could be anything lurking out there in those trees. I laughed at her. I loved the area, it felt homey.

After a decade and a half away from the area, living in NM and TX, I was able to start going back east. I was traveling with my former roommate down TN 73 heading into Townsend. I had been oddly tense since leaving the interstate. I realized I was missing my clear light of sight.

Well that was a lame observation on human nature.

Reminds me of a story about Topography:
I started a job in Washington State some years ago and upon hearing I was from Oklahoma a coworker tells me:
"we once drove thru Oklahoma"... it was nothing but Sagebrush and Sand!!
I asked them what part of the State did they drive thru and what time of the Year and they said: Well I-40 of course and it was May...
So then I asked what towns did they remember passing thru and they said well it was the middle of the night mostly, but they do remember stopping in a little town to get gas early in the morning and it was called Tucumcari! I said well you do realize that is in New Mexico right?? They said no waaay! They thought the Dust Bowl was still in full force and just assumed that all of Oklahoma looked that way!!

I have traveled from Coast to Coast and I still hear the Dust Bowl story and when I tell them no we do have trees I am told they don't believe me!!

BTW Most of the effects of the Dust Bowl were to the West of Oklahoma in the Panhandle of Texas, New Mexico, Kansas and Colorado but because of the Movie the Grapes of Wrath people still believe that Oklahoma is a Dust Bowl and a Desert

[Josiah]

Desert?

The Springfield Plateau and the Boston Mnts in Northeast OK are pretty country. Not desert like at all. I'm told the fishing on Tenkiller Lake is pretty good. The area is hickory oak forest like much of the Tennessee Valley. The understory and floor growth is different.

But you come out here to TX. We'll take you down to Big Bend and show you some desert :)

I am from around Lake Tenkiller and I can say that is some of the prettiest places I have ever been. (I lived in Western Washington for 20 years)

[Toolbox]

This thread was hijacked very early on.


Whenever anyone brings up the topic of driving across country I always hear "Avoid Oklahoma, it is the most boring state to drive though". I completely disagree with them, Indiana and Illinois are the most boring states to drive though - if you only stick to the interstates that is. Oklahoma is a really nice drive and there is plenty of pretty sights especially the prairie. Maybe he is referring to the red dirt as being desert like? The dry heat in some areas is something to be envious of especially given that the humidity here has been awful this week.

It is all about perspective. I like where I live, between the largest city and the 5th largest city in the US. We have a lot within only a few hours drive - large cities, infrastructure, lakes, streams, rivers, parks, woodlands, mountains, and beaches/ocean. Some people like the big city life and some people like the small town. Personally I prefer the suburbs, it's quiet and between the big city and the country side - and we just got symmetrical fiber which is awesome for nerds like me.

[lbgood]

I am from around Lake Tenkiller and I can say that is some of the prettiest places I have ever been. (I lived in Western Washington for 20 years)

That is a pretty area - back in the day Tenkillers BBQ was a good place to eat, too bad it closed down. I also like going to Stillwell for the strawberry festival and Cherokee National Holiday during labor day weekend. I miss canoeing down the Illinois river too. And Missionary Ridge is an awesome sight in the fall with the trees changing colors - desert my @.SS I have no idea wut that fool is talking about. But I have since moved back to my Rez which is just as beautiful

[OLChemist]

Oh, I don't want to hear about boring drives. Try the wide part of TX -- I-10 or I-20 to I-10. Just in case you needed a reference for infinity. There is a lot of pretty scenery, but you're in wall to wall trucks going 75mph. You don't dare look at the scenery.

Nashville to Cincinnati can be pretty grim too.

[Josiah]

Oh, I don't want to hear about boring drives. Try the wide part of TX -- I-10 or I-20 to I-10. Just in case you needed a reference for infinity. There is a lot of pretty scenery, but you're in wall to wall trucks going 75mph. You don't dare look at the scenery.

Nashville to Cincinnati can be pretty grim too.

Boringest:

I-70 between Kansas City and Denver

I-40 Shamrock to Flagstaff and Flagstaff to Bristow

Most of I-20 lol

I-8 Yuma to San Diego


Prettiest Scenery

I-90 Across Montana and down Thru Wyoming

I-5 thru Oregon and Washington State

I-80 Thru Utah and mostly Thru Wyoming

I-25 Denver to Albuquerque

[Josiah]

That is a pretty area - back in the day Tenkillers BBQ was a good place to eat, too bad it closed down. I also like going to Stillwell for the strawberry festival and Cherokee National Holiday during labor day weekend. I miss canoeing down the Illinois river too. And Missionary Ridge is an awesome sight in the fall with the trees changing colors - desert my @.SS I have no idea wut that fool is talking about. But I have since moved back to my Rez which is just as beautiful

I was over that way last Weekend!!

[Grits & Beans]

cactus body slam (viewer discretion is advised)

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don't do it Maize boy!


don't do this to yourself!


OMG he's really gonna do it!


*closes eyes*


Maize Boy vs Josiah

[Maize-Grower]

View of the county seat from a hiking trail:

[Grits & Beans]

I suppose someone told you to take a hike.


And you did. You really did...


okay i'll stop...haha