Osiyo from NE Arkansas

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I'm thinking...

I'll just say hi.
Hi

[Josiah]

From what I am reading, your ancestors that were Cherokee are far in the past 175 years or more...
Which ones stayed with the main body and lived and stayed with them?? Name some of those that spoke in cherokee the past few generations?
It is something I am curiuos about, as alot of geneology has moved online on sites such as ancestry.com I find that alot of these far distant connections are tenious at best. My point being that Chief Moytoy is one of the most common ancestors quoted on ancestry.com. Yet at the time of Moytoy we numbered in the 200000 as estimated, you would think there would be literally millions of connections to all these cherokees and yet I only ever hear of Moytoy or Dragging Canoe....
Another commonly quoted ancestor is the daughter of Dragging Canoe: Narne or Elizabeth Asbill literally thousands and thousands claim her, but we cannot with any certainty determine who her children are. But on ancestry.com a little green leaf shows up we click and poof!!! Hell it even says I am kin to her on my white side, I dug and dug and never found proof not one primary document not one shred of evidence that she was the one so deleted the leaf, poof....

I have been researching these kind of ties for a very long time, my interest lies in the fact what would keep a group of people together to today? Everything they owned, the land they had been living on for the past 3000 years was taken. They were rounded up and made to walk thousands of miles together to a strange place. They settled in and then for the next 60 years was encroached upon by whites untill finally they were broken up again as a tribe and then basically forgotten for the next 80 years untill somebody said hey lets build a casino!!! And yet during this 175 year period they continued to speak there native tongue and raise their children in the same communities like bunch, bell, little shell, evening shade, pryor creek, lost city, zeb, peggs, rockyford, ect ect . What would keep these ties???
Families keep these ties and these families live in communities and they share a common language taught to them by there parents and grandparents and so forth. The language taught online is not the language of our forefathers and I dont mean dialect or some other technical aspect of the language I mean what they spoke was cherokee, thinking in cherokee and what they meant. It cannot be expressed in english because they are not the same language. One tries to be descriptive and the other is pictorial. Like describing the color blue to a blind man first you have to get them understand what color is. Sure eventually you could probably get them to understand the concept. But do they really see the blue sky when it so cold and the sun shines a certain way that makes it so brilliant? ??? Or the blue of the ocean when you are far out to sea??? Both are the color blue but are they???
Connections with a community that is what

Thoughts people??

[Elizabeth Costales]

What was Ollie Mollie's fathers full name? I am also related to the carpenters.

Helizikinopo Moytoy (1715 - 1756)

is your 7th great grandmother

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Esther Cutewah Cornstalk (1748 - 1836)

daughter of Helizikinopo Moytoy

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Rosannah (Rosa) Sowards (1786 - 1831)

daughter of Esther Cutewah Cornstalk

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Moses Doty (1816 - 1892)

son of Rosannah (Rosa) Sowards

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Rosa Doty (1839 - 1875)

daughter of Moses Doty

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Rebecca Frances Tipsword (1864 - 1942)

daughter of Rosa Doty

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Robert Leroy lancaster (1888 - 1979)

son of Rebecca Frances Tipsword

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Lena Mildred lancaster (1917 - 2009)

daughter of Robert Leroy lancaster

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Robert Taylor Pinkston (1940 - 2008)

son of Lena Mildred lancaster

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Elizabeth June Pinkston Costales

Here is the Carpenter line:
Thomas Pasmere Carpenter (1607 - 1675)

is your 10th great grandfather

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Pasmere Carpenter (1637 - 1681)

daughter of Thomas Pasmere Carpenter

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Cornstalk Hokolesqua Okowellos (1674 - 1755)

son of Pasmere Carpenter

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Chief Hokolesqua Cornstalk (1710 - 1777)

son of Cornstalk Hokolesqua Okowellos

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Esther Cutewah Cornstalk (1748 - 1836)

daughter of Chief Hokolesqua Cornstalk

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Rosannah (Rosa) Sowards (1786 - 1831)

daughter of Esther Cutewah Cornstalk

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Moses Doty (1816 - 1892)

son of Rosannah (Rosa) Sowards

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Rosa Doty (1839 - 1875)

daughter of Moses Doty

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Rebecca Frances Tipsword (1864 - 1942)

daughter of Rosa Doty

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Robert Leroy lancaster (1888 - 1979)

son of Rebecca Frances Tipsword

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Lena Mildred lancaster (1917 - 2009)

daughter of Robert Leroy lancaster

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Robert Taylor Pinkston (1940 - 2008)

son of Lena Mildred lancaster

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Elizabeth June Pinkston Costales

[Awanita]

Are you also related to the Carpenter family?

Yes through his daughter Ollie Mollie, here is what my mothers cousin sent me to follow up on.

o His daughter Ollie Mollie Carpenter married 2 James Dougherty Sr. Their son Tyler Daughtrey, his son was Jeremiah, his son William (who moved to Pryor Mountain in Arkansas, buried at Fairbanks) Nancy Alice married John Grissom, their daughter Virdie married Simmie Holley, and this is where our lines separate: their daughter Mary Ellen Lindsey (mine) and her brother Willis Holley (yours)

James Jr. also moved to Arkansas and is listed on the 1817 emmigration rolls His ID number was 138.

A Cherokee clan, also known as Blind Savannah Clan, saved to James Dougherty Sr. on Ancestry.com. James was born about 1742 in North Carolina, son of Irishman Cornelius Dougherty and Ahneewakee Muskrat Moytoy. This is the ancestral line of my great grandmother Verdie Grissom Holley."

[Elizabeth Costales]

Moytoy

Are you also related to the Carpenter family?

[Josiah]

Ahneewakee Muskrat Moytoy was the daughter of the Cherokee cheif Amodohiyi "Chief Pigeon" Moytoy, Uku of Great Tellico's. Mother: Woman of Ani'-Ga'Tage'Wi = Kituah or Wild Potato clan

I would be curious to see your connections to Moytoy from the 1700's especially the time period between 1780 to 1835. Very difficult time indeed...

[Awanita]

Osiyo I am of English, Irish, and Cherokee heritage. My Wife Wodige Digatoli, and I Awanita are learning to speak Cherokee and practice our Cherokee culture. We do many crafts and we like to keep the spirit of our forefathers alive.

Wodige Digatoli is of Italian, Scottish and Cherokee heritage. Her lines goes back to the Scottish Hoskins, the Italian Jerege/Rain one and the Cherokee Otter Lifter.

My heritage goes to the English Knowlton from Dorset county England. The Irish lines run from James Dougherty Sr.James was born about 1742 in North Carolina, son of Irishman Cornelius Dougherty and Ahneewakee Muskrat Moytoy.

Ahneewakee Muskrat Moytoy was the daughter of the Cherokee cheif Amodohiyi "Chief Pigeon" Moytoy, Uku of Great Tellico's. Mother: Woman of Ani'-Ga'Tage'Wi = Kituah or Wild Potato clan