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  • #46
    Originally posted by sweet_apache_onion
    i never liked bush and his ears. honestly people, he had been embarassing us from the time he nearly died over a pretzel.
    Okay since you mention pretzels....:D I came across this great website, set up by the French, and CNN did a cover on it too. Here is the article from CNN:

    French site to send Bush peace pretzels
    Monday, March 17, 2003 Posted: 2151 GMT ( 5:51 AM HKT)
    www.bretzelforbush.com <http://www.bretzelforbush.com/>
    PARIS, France (Reuters) -- U.S. citizens have turned on French fries and toast to vent their frustration at France's anti-war stance on Iraq. Now the French have joined in the food war -- with pretzels.
    A French Web site is urging people to send pretzels to U.S. President, who fainted and fell off a sofa in January 2002 after gagging on the salty snack.
    The Web site, www.bretzelforbush.com, says the pretzels will be stored at a secret location before being sent to the White House in a historic mass action.
    The retaliation follows moves by some in the United States to change the names of French fries and French toast to Freedom fries and Freedom toast.
    The pretzels are on sale for seven euros ($7.56) each, with one euro going to a children's charity. So far some 250 euros have been raised for the charity.
    "We think that to oppose war is not to be against the American people, but simply against the politics of the Bush administration," the Web site says.
    After the fainting incident, Bush lamented not heeding his mother's advice to chew pretzels before swallowing and his wife Laura joked he was now "practicing safe snacks."
    "Support Bacteria. It's the only culture some people have."

    "I can't sleep, the clowns will eat me."

    "Things are more like today than they ever have been."

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    • #47
      Originally posted by webscouter
      1. I read as much as I can get a hold of. I know that a great part of the world is against this war but they were also against stopping Hitler when he started taking over countries. Also most of the world being in closer proxemity to Iraq needs to worry more about the war directly impacting them. My belief is that when all is said and done you will find more support than is being shown.

      2. Don't be surprised when Iran is the next country that we go after. Then Saudi Arabia will be focused on. As far as North Korea goes don't think for a minute that we haven't already started discussions with them. Iraq has had 12 years to comply with United Nation regulations and hasn't made any progress to speak of. We will get around to other dangerious areas as we can without putting our people in unnessesary risk. Also before you comment on other countries spend some time in them and decide if you really prefer their style of living. I have a friend in Belgium that pays 80% (eighty) taxes. I have relatives in Norway who pay huge amounts of money for socialist medicine that doesn't hold a candle to ours. Ask Sadams brother in law about freedom of speech. And ask the Israeli school children how frightening it is to take a city bus to school. We aren't perfect in America but it is a damn site better than most of the other countries I have visited.

      3. As far as creating them that is partilly true. However at some point we need to correct our mistakes. At the time that we created these monsters they were the least of two evils. Kind of like partnering with Russia in WWII. And much like we work with Saudi Arabia now. (Don't think they are our friends. The government of Saudi has been instrumental in teaching the people to dislike Americans.)

      4. Your right, the war isn't just about terrorism. It is also about freedom of speech, choice and a government that represents the people of Iraq. Spend some time looking at the attrocities committed by the government of Iraq against the people of Iraq.

      5. Bush is not fighting this war for oil. This is one of the least thought out arguments that I have heard. If it was about oil we would have taken over Kuwait when we were in there. We would be drilling in Alaska. And we wouldn't have stopped in Iraq 12 years ago. When I hear this argument I only see someone who dislikes Bush and hasn't really thought out the reasons behind this war.

      Lastly I belive that anyone who is rationally discussing the war, both for and against is Patriotic. That is part of what makes America the greatest country in the world, the desire of it's people to question its' leadership and strive for the best that can be had.

      i totally agree with you on this and could not have said it better myself

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      • #48
        my two cents

        I don't really care what they had to say about the man...I agree with them....I think the time and the place- maybe people don't like...but whatever... I don't think Bush has enough brains to make decisions....anyway....

        in case anyone cares....there is a direct relation between educational level (formal or otherwise) and peace....the more educated the more things a person can defend and come up with alternatives to war....thing about that....but


        i think pow wows.com shouldn't have to go here anyhow....it's a place for us to get a way from this damn war talk...;)
        ~~I'm not settlin for anything less than everything~~

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        • #49
          Originally posted by webscouter
          Super, your right. We should recoup the $100 billion dollars that this war is going to cost in months, maybe less. Not to mention the humanitarian aid we have pledged to give afterwords. And it should only take a month or so for the stock market to regain the money that has been lost in the last three months while the country was uncertian about the war.
          I have heard this line of attempted reasoning from many and I think it STINKS and it's evil. Just more proof that Americans value greed and the all-mighty dollar, no matter WHO has to die for it. It's wrong and it's lacking in soul. How can one hide behind the cloak of humanitarianism when we are going to bomb their cities, make orphans of their children and widows of their wives!?!?! :Yell

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          • #50
            Regarding the remark Natalie Maines made about being ashamed that President Bush was from Texas is really funny because he wasn't even born in Texas!!! He was born in Conn. !!!
            Life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved

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            • #51
              My only hope is that enough people are still mad enough to boycott their concert when it comes to town, so I can upgrade my tickets.... :D

              That said, I understand her point view. Her stance was never against the troops, but against the President.

              "We've been overseas for several weeks and have been reading and following the news accounts of our governments' position. The anti-American sentiment that has unfolded here is astounding. While we support our troops, there is nothing more frightening than the notion of going to war with Iraq and the prospect of all the innocent lives that will be lost."

              Maines further stated, "I feel the President is ignoring the opinions of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world. My comments were made in frustration and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view."

              and

              "As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect. We are currently in Europe and witnessing a huge anti-American sentiment as a result of the perceived rush to war. While war may remain a viable option, as a mother, I just want to see every possible alternative exhausted before children and American soldiers' lives are lost. I love my country. I am a proud American."
              I dont see her viewpoint as being all that different from anyone else. None of us want a war. None of us want innocent people to die. But there comes a time when the cost of inaction is the death of innocents.

              If you look for the opportunity to slam her/them and generalize that she's only changing her tune to pander to the "hicks" that buy their albums, then nothing that anyone says is going to change your mind.

              If you are willing to concede that a one line comment is a pretty narrow point to make a leap to being able to identify her entire context/state of mind, then you can see that its possible that this whole issue has been blown out of proportion.

              Everyone is high on trying some other route, but they are short on presenting options that haven't already been tried. Saddam agreed to disarm at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. He hasn't done so. For 12 years the UN has passed resolution after resolution saying this is the last chance. Each time Saddam has essentially ignored the UN. Economic sanctions havent worked.

              This isnt about Oil, if it was, we would've taken it '91. Bush Sr. has just as close of ties to oil as GW does.

              I offer this link that, I feel, has become so representative of many of the "protestors" I have heard.

              Radio interview with an Iraqi and an American "protestor"

              Its fun to wave the peace banner. But give me a viable alternative that hasnt been tried. The only future I see with the "give peace a chance" stance involves more attacks similar to 9/11. I'm not willing to bet the lives of myself, my family and my friends that holding hands and singing Kum-by-ya will make all of this go away. Its not that want war, I just want to remain realistic.

              Regarding the remark Natalie Maines made about being ashamed that President Bush was from Texas is really funny because he wasn't even born in Texas!!! He was born in Conn. !!!
              Now come on....That comment has what to do with anything? I was born at the US Air Force Academy, what does that make me? I have lived 27 years of my life in Kansas City. I am a Missourian/Kansas Citian. It has nothing to do with where I was born. Bush lives in Texas, he was the Govenor of the state. If he cant be said to be a Texan, then I don't know who does.

              I support reasons behind going after Saddam. 12 years of diplomacy hasnt worked, he isn't going to voluntarily disarm, the time for talk has long passed.

              I will ALWAYS support the military. Right or wrong they have a job to do and its an important one.

              While I agree that diplomacy has failed, I strongly feel that GW could've handled the approach to this ultimate end in a much different manner. I truly think that if the situation had been approached with a leveler head, there would be a UN resolution approved by the Security Council and a stronger coallition of supportive nations. I never got the sense that GW would be well received in the Foreign Relations Department, and I dont think he has proven me wrong yet.
              Randy

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              • #52
                Randy,

                That was very well-written. It's nice to have someone with an opposing view be able to still express themselves so well, get a point across, and not have to be rude about it. Thanks. :)

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                • #53
                  hey randy..you asked what the remark Natalie made about the president being from Texas has to do with anything ??
                  well...that's one of the remarks she made that started the whole bruhaha!! Also,if you think the apology she made was not forced upon her by her record company & was not written by some spin doctor at her record company than you are sadly naive in my opinion..( I live in Nashville & have two good friends who have songs recorded by the Chicks & I'm associated with the music industry here & I'm not a "hick" nor do I own any Chick CDs but I know how things work here!!)
                  Natalie had a right to speak her mind & people have a right to disagree with her..but I still feel that the media has made way to0o0o much of her statements,she's just a singer in a band.
                  Life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved

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                  • #54
                    You know I didn't like her statements. But then again everyone is entitled to their own. The only thing that pulls my *** is that she turned around and gave an apology that was poorly written. I myself could have came us with something a little better than that. She should have just kept to her original standing of beliefs. I believe that nine times out of ten when someone says or does something the first time its what they meants to say or do, but when you see the outcome that it has caused and you don't like it you turn around and give an apology. COME ON! You said it and meant it. Admit it. Many people throughtout the world would rather hang out with or be with someone that is real no matter what the outcome their actions cause. But in doing what she did it puts her out to the world as a "fake". I myself don't like fake people.
                    There should be a law against stupid people being able to breed!

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                    • #55
                      Ok, I got to the end of the second page reading all of the posts, but then my eyes got lazy, and I only have one comment to add amidst all of this debate going on about the Dixie Chicks. I heard this on the radio, and I found it incredibly ironic.

                      The Dixie Chicks are being banned in the States, but yet R. Kelly's new album debuted at the #1 spot on the Billboards. So, criticizing a politician is soooooooooooooo bad, but yet alleged child abuse is okay! Support the exploiter of children, but condemn the artists that have an interest in politics ?? That just goes to show you how messed up the media can be. I mean, come on now!! They are totally allowed to have their own opinion, but I think it's taking it a bit far when radio stations are putting out garbage bins to throw away Dixie Chicks albums. If you are going to crucify artists for trying to use their stardom as a platform for peace, then crucify those other artists as well that have been accused of unspeakable acts too. Hypocrisy sucks!

                      R.

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                      • #56
                        Celebs need to watch their backs...

                        Natalie Maine only accomplished one thing with her statement, she cost herself and the group A LOT OF MONEY$$$

                        She has a right to speak her mind - freedom of speech and all of that. But, being a celeb, you gotta know that the press is gonna ride ANY negative comments/actions into the ground and paint you as a bad guy/gal.

                        All celebs need to take a lesson from Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods - pick your battles CAREFULLY and think before you speak to the press. These two men constantly have people asking their views on various issues and you NEVER hear a negative comment from them in the press...

                        Oh yeah, isn't the 11th Commandment in Texas "Thou shalt not slander a Bush..."

                        :D

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                        • #57
                          Don't forget that freedom of speech only means that the government cannot imprision, punish or harass you for your speech. It doesn't mean that there will be no consiquences for you speech.

                          In life we are all able to do anything we want. Some things just have different consiquences than others. Natalie found out what the consiquence of telling a group of people that are more patriotic than others that she wasn't in lockstep with the countries leader.

                          (You would think that I would learn to spell consiquence as many times as I used it wouldn't you? :D )
                          One vote wonder.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Celebs need to watch their backs...

                            Originally posted by santa_claus


                            Oh yeah, isn't the 11th Commandment in Texas "Thou shalt not slander a Bush..."
                            it is dammit and I'm in the wrong state... grrrr
                            The only time its too late to start dancing is when you're dead.

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                            • #59
                              Things haven't changed much since Roman times. If you anger the mob you will be out. Its not a question of freedom of speech, it is a question of whether you want to be with or against the mob. Facing the war, the remark was a bad move. The boycott is on. Freedom of speech has many costs. Pay up.
                              DanceswithLightning

                              I am the lightning that you see in the sky. Beautiful to look at, impossible to touch. If I touch you, you will never be the same.

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                              • #60
                                Sorry one more thing, celeberties seem to think that most people care about what they think. Most of them are mindless puppets. The sheep will listen though. They only have the power that you give them.
                                DanceswithLightning

                                I am the lightning that you see in the sky. Beautiful to look at, impossible to touch. If I touch you, you will never be the same.

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