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    Can anyone tell me if the rain dance is part of the Cheyenne tradition?

    I'm writing a short story about a little boy. In honor of my father-in-law, I intend to cast the hero as a Cheyenne boy. However, the story involves a rain dance. My father-in-law has passed and has no living relatives except my wife and son (who have no knowledge of Cheyenne culture), so I have no one to ask. I have tried researching online and have found no information, which leads me to believe that it is not a tradition, but I'm hoping I am wrong.

    Any information would be greatly appreciated!

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    You are wrong. There is no "rain dance" in the Cheyenne tradition.

    Oh yeah , welcome to powwows.com ! LOL
    Last edited by wardancer; 08-05-2014, 01:41 PM.
    I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


    They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

    There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

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    • #3
      First, welcome to powwows.com

      With all due respect please, understand how throughly stereotypical the trope of Indians rain dancing is. It's up there with African Americans and watermelon, or Hispanics wearing a sambero and sleeping against a cactus, or white people having no culture of their own, so they have to steal other peoples'.... I hope you did not mean it this way, but your request is akin to me announcing: "I'd like to write a book about a Catholic altar boy and my story involves ritual cannibalism. What's up with this blood and body of Christ, transubstantiation thing?"

      Like my non-Indian, Nebraska farmer relatives or just about anybody facing a drought, Native people pray for rain. Just as we -- and they -- pray for many other things.

      I would suggest, if you are ignorant of Cheyenne culture that it is unlike you will actually honor your father-in-law or his culture. Instead, it is far more likely you will simply add another layer of waxy, distortion build up. In the mists of prehistory when I took advanced composition in college, I was told to write what I know. I believe that it is perfectly possible for non-Native writers to create believable, realistic and non-stereotypical Native characters. But, those who do, have lasting and intimate connections to our communities and families. They have built knowledge and respect; they did not do three hours -- or even three weeks -- of research on the internet.


      I suspect, I will now be called a racist, rude big green meanie. Oh, well.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OLChemist View Post
        First, welcome to powwows.com

        With all due respect please, understand how throughly stereotypical the trope of Indians rain dancing is. It's up there with African Americans and watermelon, or Hispanics wearing a sambero and sleeping against a cactus, or white people having no culture of their own, so they have to steal other peoples'.... I hope you did not mean it this way, but your request is akin to me announcing: "I'd like to write a book about a Catholic altar boy and my story involves ritual cannibalism. What's up with this blood and body of Christ, transubstantiation thing?"

        Like my non-Indian, Nebraska farmer relatives or just about anybody facing a drought, Native people pray for rain. Just as we -- and they -- pray for many other things.

        I would suggest, if you are ignorant of Cheyenne culture that it is unlike you will actually honor your father-in-law or his culture. Instead, it is far more likely you will simply add another layer of waxy, distortion build up. In the mists of prehistory when I took advanced composition in college, I was told to write what I know. I believe that it is perfectly possible for non-Native writers to create believable, realistic and non-stereotypical Native characters. But, those who do, have lasting and intimate connections to our communities and families. They have built knowledge and respect; they did not do three hours -- or even three weeks -- of research on the internet.


        I suspect, I will now be called a racist, rude big green meanie. Oh, well.
        Dang , your answers are always so much better than mine ! LOL

        I think you're just a racist, rude big green meanie !
        I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


        They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

        There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

        Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
        It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


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        • #5
          Wait a minute. I think I saw a Cheyenne rain dance at the Colony 49 just about sun up?
          Powwows will continue to evolve in many directions. It is inevitable.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wardancer View Post
            You are wrong. There is no "rain dance" in the Cheyenne tradition.

            Oh yeah , welcome to powwows.com ! LOL
            Oh quit holding on to them, its time to pass on those Cheyenne traditions, Oh BTW can you quit dancing already, its starting to flood

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bodean View Post
              Can anyone tell me if the rain dance is part of the Cheyenne tradition?

              I'm writing a short story about a little boy. In honor of my father-in-law, I intend to cast the hero as a Cheyenne boy. However, the story involves a rain dance. My father-in-law has passed and has no living relatives except my wife and son (who have no knowledge of Cheyenne culture), so I have no one to ask. I have tried researching online and have found no information, which leads me to believe that it is not a tradition, but I'm hoping I am wrong.

              Any information would be greatly appreciated!
              Not to be mean, but how about writing a story about a little white boy and the traditions he grew up with, it would be something you would know more about? And post it here so we can read and learn.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by WhoMe View Post
                Wait a minute. I think I saw a Cheyenne rain dance at the Colony 49 just about sun up?
                Well , there was that 1 time .....

                Originally posted by lbgood View Post
                Oh quit holding on to them, its time to pass on those Cheyenne traditions, Oh BTW can you quit dancing already, its starting to flood

                Hey , just get you some taller boots !
                I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


                They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

                There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

                Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
                It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


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                There's a chance you might not like me ,

                but there's a bigger

                chance I won't care

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                • #9
                  Thank you for your feedback OLChemist and wardancer. No offense taken. While my ignorance is obvious, I do respect native cultures and have no desire to stereotype or spread misinformation. So I'm glad I found this forum and was able to get an answer to my question from wardancer so quickly.

                  I'm writing a rhyming children's story about self esteem that revolves around a single conversation between two characters, with a universal message. It's not at all about the culture of the boy and it doesn't pretend to teach anything about any traditions. The rain dance is not integral to the story, it's just something that would have been mentioned in the conversation in a positive light. At the risk of offending atheists, I will simply reference praying for rain. My intent for those few sentences is only to contrast how some people complain about rain while others wish for it, whether they dance or pray or threaten their local meteorologist.

                  Funny you should mention it, because I was raised as a cannibal but have since reformed.

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                  • #10
                    He should write about the yellow pee dance.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wardancer View Post
                      Dang , your answers are always so much better than mine ! LOL

                      I think you're just a racist, rude big green meanie !
                      You forgot to add that she makes a mean chocolate cake-or so she says.
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                      • #12
                        When I was in grad school, I baked this thing 5-6 times a year for colleagues' birthdays.

                        Chocolate Pinion Nut Torte

                        Pre-heat the oven to 350F. Line the bottom of an 8" springform pan with parchment paper. Grease lined pan well and dust with cocoa powder.

                        In a food process grind into a fine meal

                        3 Tbsp pinion nuts;
                        2 Tbsp of sugar;
                        2 Tbsp of flour.

                        In a double boiler melt:

                        3 oz semi-sweet chocolate;
                        2 Tbsp of cocoa powder;
                        5 Tbsp butter;
                        zest from one orange.

                        Remove from heat and allow to cool slightly.

                        Beat to soft peaks:

                        4 egg white;
                        2 Tbsp sugar;
                        1/4 tsp salt.

                        Beat until doubled in volume and the mixture falls in a thick ribbon from the beaters:

                        4 egg yolks;
                        2 Tbsp sugar;

                        Incorporate 2 Tbsp of Triple Sec, Grand Marnier, Sabra Liqueur, Godiva Liqueur or orange juice.

                        Mix the pinion nut mixture into the still warm chocolate. By hand blend the chocolate mixture into the beaten egg yolks. Once throughly mixed fold in the egg whites.

                        Bake 25-30 minutes, until all but the very center of the cake is firm and springy.

                        Cool for 10 mins and run a knife around the edge and release the ring on the pan. Cool to room temperature and carefully peel off the parchment paper.

                        This is my modification of the recipe in Huntly Dent's Feast of Santa Fe: Cooking of the American Southwest; Simon and Schuster, 1985. I substitute cocoa powder and additional butter for unsweetened chocolate.

                        This cake is wicked sticky and clings to even non-stick springform pans. (I skipped the lining step once. I had to dig the cake out of the pan with a spoon, sprinkle it with more liqueur and orange juice, layer it with whipped cream and custard, and pretend I was English and serving a trifle.) The most intense flavor is achieved with Sabra, but it is good with any of the above flavorings. I think it has a better texture the second day.

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                        • #13
                          Chocolate cake is neat...

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                          • #14
                            So we went from rain dances to chocolate cake.....
                            lisaironmaker

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LISA IRONMAKER View Post
                              So we went from rain dances to chocolate cake.....
                              Can I say candy Rain ..

                              Hey Moana_Lis wut up Chica

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